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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:40 am

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In post 1393, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 812, WINfried wrote:I am currently entertaining the idea as frogs as scum and prism/nk15 being his potential buddy yes.
In post 813, WINfried wrote:both prism and frogs generated early game towntells by going into minute details about binatogs prior games. could have been a case of shared info in PT
Winfried :weary:
When WINfried said minute details here he just means that.. I read a page of relevant posts after he linked one of Binatog's games and disagreed with his characterization of it. iirc Prism did some analysis of other binatog games. I absolutely didn't have to share or receive info to make the posts I did about the game WINfried brought up. :?
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:41 am

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In post 1391, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 802, WINfried wrote:
In post 765, frogsfrogs wrote:
WINfried, Laplacian : Solid Townreads


Fferyllt, Tejate : Feeling good about them


T3 : Feeling ok about, but they're not caught up yet


Save The Dragons : Do not even know anymore. Scum I GUESS.


Not Known 15 : Scum. Still not super confident about it


MegAzumarill : PR claim, intentionally not ranked
In post 786, frogsfrogs wrote:VOTE: Save The Dragons

I'll definitely check back in tomorrow and think about moving my vote. A fresh day start in this game will be so nice lol, can't wait.

I wonder how this makes you feel.
Hmm this is a bad look. NK at bottom of reads list, votes me instead.
Not sure if you saw it already but I responded to this post at the time here:
In post 866, frogsfrogs wrote:To this, since you seem to be gesturing to these posts as contradictory: These reads are massively in flux as we approach the end of the day, but I've been waffling a ton on my Not Known read in particular. :I I think his play has been blatantly scummy, but he's an infrequent poster, making reading harder. I am apparently one of few who saw Prism as town and I actually thought that very strongly, so that continues to color my view of the slot. Dragons is a slot I have far less complicated thoughts about and that I think will be meaningful whether he flips red or green, so I picked him as my first choice wagon. That's it. Not Known, Dragons, fferyllt are all the slots I am fine with voting for day 1 (though I don't prefer fferyllt)
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:52 am

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In post 1398, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1083, Tejate Raichu wrote:Also I'm surprised to say it considering how hard I was pushing their slot but... I feel like T3 is most likely town. In fact, I feel like the original ahhlo wagon likely had at least one scum on it. It would have been a pretty easy mis-elim had it not been stopped.
In post 1084, Tejate Raichu wrote:Incidentally, checking back, guess who were the 3 people on that wagon excluding the dead (Meg)?

Yep. Myself, frogsfrogs, and Laplacian, the exact 3 people I wanted to discuss. Although I believe frogsfrogs pulled out before either of us.
Winfried: suspected frogs, dies

Tejate: prevented frogs lim D1, lives

D2

Tejate: suspects frogs and dies
I think it's important here, though, that Tejate was constructing a pool out of themselves, me, and Laplacian. It seemed perfectly valid at the time to assume that the mason was outside of that pool. If I'm scum and stuck in this group, I want to get rid of the mason before they shrink the suspects further, like Laplacian did D3, & it seems like I have a perfect shot between T3 or you. I don't think it makes airtight sense as T3's kill, but more sense than it does from scum me in this situation.
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:01 am

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Votecount 4.02
T3 (1) -
frogsfrogs
frogsfrogs (1) -
T3

Not Voting (1) -
Dwlee99

With 3 players alive it takes 2 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2022-01-21 08:30:00).
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:05 am

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Reading back some of my own ISO, if I'm scum with Not Known I absolutely don't think I would have argued for ffery being town / not partners with NK as hard as I did. "But Not Known claimed to save her!" is too easy to fall back on. I was only barely the hammer on her D3 when she decided she wouldn't do it herself & I decided I was fine with ffery -> T3 as the path.
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:15 pm

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Yea I saw your response to that post. The problem is both of you have interactions around NK I'd find strange for partners ><
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:35 pm

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Agreed! Yeah. You're the one deciding now because you've got the hardest decision lol.
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:46 pm

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Any thoughts t3?
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:29 pm

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i'll do a full reread tomorrowish, but frogs is just scum here.
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:30 pm

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they have a lot of slick realtime interaction with you that is characteristic of scum pocketing
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:32 pm

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oh FUCK the deadline is in 10 hours
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:33 pm

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In post 1406, frogsfrogs wrote:Agreed! Yeah. You're the one deciding now because you've got the hardest decision lol.
this is just scum.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:03 pm

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Okay but bro

How can I trust you that it's "just scum" if you could be scum :(
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:05 pm

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Like I kinda talked myself into frogs earlier and now I'm just bleh cause if it's you and I vote wrong I'm CLOWN
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:38 pm

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In post 1409, T3 wrote:they have a lot of slick realtime interaction with you that is characteristic of scum pocketing
You have a lot of not posting that is characteristic of scum lurking :igmeou: ..
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:52 pm

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Uaghh, yeah I just don't have any real analysis or anything left in me, after skimming some pages again, to case for why it is so T3 here. I think his end of D3 into today was
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scummy though. I was pretty high on his readslist but I make one offhanded agreement with ffery and he votes me. Today he comes in and starts by briefly shading Dwlee, but obviously I've said that I'm suspecting him, so his pick is me and he's the first to vote, "based on [my] actions today and yesterday"
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:52 pm

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In post 1258, T3 wrote:if we're going by play alone, then
frogs
ffery
dwlee
counting interactions, then uh
i have no idea :dry:
In post 1328, T3 wrote:dwlee has been fairly towny today.

thinking about it, scum you can probably fake this :/
In post 1332, T3 wrote:VOTE: frogs
idk man. Maybe I'm ignorant but this just feels so forced.
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:54 pm

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the series of posts where he voted me D3, again, just so I'm not omitting the context actually:

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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:11 pm

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wait lol fuck me.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:22 pm

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VOTE: t3

meh I'll do this

It comes down to some personal philosophy but also I think ffery makes the same choice in my spot so I can't fault myself too much

gg if you're scum (please tell me now)
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:41 pm

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Votecount 4.03
T3 (2) -
frogsfrogs, Dwlee99
frogsfrogs (1) -
T3

Not Voting (0) -


With 3 players alive it takes 2 votes to eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:45 pm

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T3 has been eliminated Day 4. He was a
Mafia Roleblocker
.

The Town has achieved their win condition.


frogsfrogs
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Vanilla Townie
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Dwlee99
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Vanilla Townie
, survives and wins.
MegAzumaril
,
Tejate Raichu
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WINfried
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Laplacian
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fferyllt
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Congratulations to the Town for winning Newbie 2085!
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:50 pm

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Spoiler: Role List
Player List:

frogsfrogs
-
Vanilla Townie

MegAzumarill
hunterr, ishrar -
Town Mason

T3
ahhlo, Meteor Tome -
Mafia Roleblocker

Tejate Raichu
Binatog13 -
Vanilla Townie

WINfried
Panda2004 -
Vanilla Townie

Laplacian
-
Town Mason

Dwlee99
Save The Dragons (SE) -
Vanilla Townie

Fferyllt
Taly (SE) -
Vanilla Townie

Not Known 15
Prism (SE) -
Mafia Goon


Setup:
Column A & Row 3: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Night Actions
Night 1:
Not Known 15 kills WINfried - flips Vanilla Townie

Night 2:
T3 kills Tejate Raichu - flips Vanilla Townie

Night 3:
T3 kills Laplacian - flips Vanilla Townie

Mod Thread
Mason Thread
Mafia Thread
Dead Thread

Thank you all for playing. I hope you enjoyed the game. The thread is now open for postgame discussion.
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:51 pm

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Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!
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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:55 pm

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Congratulations to the town on a well-deserved win!

I sincerely apologize for having to leave; the compromise of another game left me extremely distraught and unable to continue playing. I have since recovered.

This game was in many ways a disaster, and very atypical for the site with the number of replacements. Thanks to everyone who replaced in, especially to those who stuck around to the end.

I'll have more substantive comments/feedback for the game tomorrow if I have time.

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