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Lukewarm Paragon of Mafia Hunters
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The Bombay Goon
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In post 1700, Lukewarm wrote:Last post was Marci
But yeah.... You claimed you doctored us two nights in a row....-
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@Mastina, I wanted to see yours and T3's reaction to the Ivan case, but I kinda already disproved it.
After I saw the Ivan case, I followed up with the mods, and asked if scum could use two abilities in the same night. Specifically, I asked if Suri could use their self-redirect and their roleblock at the same time (the mods seem to answer questions on flipped characters pretty freely btw). The answer was no. A player can use one personal ability and one factional ability in the same night.
That means that you could not have used a messenger ability and a bus driver ability on the same nights.
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Here is my mechanical argument for T3: the chess game.
T3 has claimed that they were a strong willed doc vs Dwlee's strong willed cop. And that is the balance, either way town gets one fairly powerful role each night from the chess match.
Well, for starters I think that a strong-willed cop is MUCH stronger then a strong-willed doc at base. But once you factor in the poison, it is not even a question. As long as Rogue was alive, the strong-willed doctor was functionally useless.
I asked T3 if his ability would stop the poison kill, and his response was that he did not know.
Well, I asked the mods if Rogue's ability would be stopped by a doctor, and I was told that Rogue's ability would not be stopped by traditional protective roles, unless the ability explicitly says otherwise (see StrangeMatter's role wording). So, if his ability COULD bypass the poison, he would have known it from his role PM
I also don't think that there is a scum role that similarly punishes the cop. Suri was immune to the cop on night 1, but the cop would have gotten a result on someone else in that scenario. Rogue had nothing to hinder the cop. The last scum has to be a redirector/bus driver, and again, the cop is still getting a result, just not on their original target. Compared to the doc that
So now every single day that this game played out until the day we eliminated Rogue, it was a Strong-willed cop that sometimes gets results on targets that are not his intended target vs a strong willed Vanilla townie that visited people to mess with the watcher and tracker.
I refuse to believe that the mods made the chess game hard punish T3 (and the rest of his alignment) for trying to win the chess match, and therefore he has to be scum.-
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The Bombay Goon
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I also find is suspect that he is not even looking at the case for you OR thinking about what Ivan's case meant for the world of scum!Bombay.In post 1697, T3 wrote:bombay is scum, because mastina is town.
Like, there are questions on how LLD was Roleblocked and how Rogue performed the kill while jailkept. Neither thing could have been done my either flipped scum (suri was already dead, and we have rogue's flip). So it had to come from the final scum's ability.
Does he think that I did it?
Town T3 would have seen me tell him to flip a coin between protecting me or Mastina night 3 - and specifically told him to not tell us which he did - and then seen me claim my watcher result to Ivan in our hood before most of the thread had claimed (including him).
Spoiler:
So, was I bullshitting my watcher result, gambling the game on T3 not protecting mastina, and that no one else targeted mastina in any way?
Or am I a watcher that had their result, but also managed to do some tomfoolery with the jailkeep, despite players not being able to use two personal abilities on the same night?-
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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In post 1694, The Bombay wrote:I have not asked the mods, but Ivan said that she did ask. She said their take was that modifiers resolved before a bus driver, and confirmed that a loyal player could target someone of their same alignment, and then be bus driven to someone of the other alignment.In post 1695, The Bombay wrote:In post 1694, The Bombay wrote:She said their take was that modifierchecksresolved before a bus driver
What the FUCK, Cabd/ffery.In post 1696, The Bombay wrote:
This is the wording on the wikiIt causes the role to behave as though it were roleblocked unless the target has the same alignment as the user.
Ivan confirmed that in this scenario the "target" would have been rogue, and the loyal check would pass prior to the bus driver happening.
If a COP targets a player and is redirected, their result is "your target". TARGET. On the REDIRECTED player.
If Cop A targets player B and is redirected to player C, the cop doesn't receive a result on player B; the cop receives a result on player C. And the cop's result is "you target (which in this case is player C) is...". Target.
RESULTS ARE BASED ON WHO YOU HIT NOT WHO YOU TARGET.
But I suppose there's not much point in debating this until postgame. Suffice to say, Ishouldbe conftown hereif the mods used the rules that they. But I digress, it's not hunting for mafia.shoulduse
Uh.In post 1697, T3 wrote:bombay is scum, because mastina is town.
VOTE: T3In post 1688, T3 wrote:
i protected youIn post 1680, The Bombay wrote:T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?-
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Lukewarm Paragon of Mafia Hunters
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Night (and Day) Actions and Events
Night Zero:
Rogue - Chooses Zaun - Their factional kill will be delayed poison that kills at the end of the following day
Shiro - Hides/Neighborizes Suripoko
Day 1 (end):
Ivan's random neighborhood is LLD, Shiro
The ship parts jjh977 is searching for are sent to LLD, T3, Strange Matter, and The Bombay.
T3 loses the chess match, and will default win the matches and gain the strongwilled doctor ability from Day 2 onward.
Dwlee99 wins the chess match, but is eliminated Day 1, so can't use the strongwilled cop ability.
Night 1:
LLD takes phoenix form - will be bulletproof the next day and night phase
Suripoko self-redirects to LLD (succeeds)
Skitter makes Day 2 follow plurality elimination rules (succeeds)
The Bombay watches Skitter (fails because jailkept)
Ivan parity cops LLD, Shiro (succeeds, they are the same alignment)
StrangeMatter jailkeeps The Bombay (succeeds)
jjh sends pikmin to LLD, skitter, and mastina (succeeds, collects one ships part from LLD), the other ships parts vanish from their keepers' care.
Mastina sends anonymous message to jjh (succeeds)
SirCakez wasn't targeted, so doesn't copy anything
Shiro gives Suripoko the announcing modifier (succeeds)
Suripoko kills skitter (succeeds)
Day 2 (end):
Ivan's random neighborhood is LLD, StrangeMatter
The ships part jjh is searching for are sent to LLD, T3, Rogue and SirCakez
Night 2
LLD switches to Panther Form (day targeting tracker) (fails due to redirected jailkeep)
The Bombay commutes (succeeds)
Ivan bodyguards LLD, StrangeMatter (succeeds, bodyguard doesn't work on poison)
StrangeMatter jailkeeps Rogue (succeeds, redirected to LLD)
jjh searches T3, Rogue, SirCakez (succeeds, collects 3 more ships parts, leaves the game)
T3 strongwilled protects LLD (succeeds, but doc protect doesn't stop poison)
Mastina sends message to Rogue, redirects Rogue to LLD. LLD receives message (succeeds)
SirCakez wasn't targeted, so doesn't copy anything
Shiro hides/Neighborizes Mastina. Uses loyal modifier (succeeds)
Rogue poisons LLD (succeeds)
Day 3 (end)
Ivan's random Hood is T3, The Bombay
Night 3
The Bombay watches Mastina (succeeds, sees Shiro visit Mastina)
StrangeMatter jailkeeps Shiro (fails, Shiro can't be targeted because he's hiding behind Mastina)
T3 strongwilled protects The Bombay (succeeds)
Mastina sends message to Rogue, redirects Rogue to StrangeMatter (fails due to disloyal modifier)
Shiro give Mastina disloyal modifier (succeeds)
Rogue poisons StrangeMatter
Day 4 (end)
Ivan's random Hood is T3 and Shiro
Night 4
The Bombay commutes (succeeds)
T3 strongwilled protects The Bombay (fails because of the commute)
Mastina sends message to T3 (succeeds)
Mastina kills Ivan (succeeds)
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Spectator/Dead Discord Server: https://discord.gg/A7Z73Gun8q
Shiro's Role-Based Neighborhoods:
Shiro & Suripoko viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88495&p=13197480#p13197480
Shiro & Mastina viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88583
That Idiot Ivan's Role-Based Neighborhoods:
Shiro and Lady Lambdadelta viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88527
StrangeMatter and Lady Lambdadelta viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88576
T3 and The Bombay viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88614
The Bombay and Shiro viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88642
The Mafia PTviewtopic.php?f=90&t=88476
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Thanks so much for playing! Your subreddit picks were delightful and fun to work with and it was a pleasure to design and run this game for you!
It will take a little while to compile all the postgame info and make all the PTs public. We'll announce with links to the relevant posts once all that's done.
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Lukewarm Paragon of Mafia Hunters
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penguin_alien Mafia Scum
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You do not, to be clear. You play your game, and as long as you play in good faith and with decency, you're fine. Win some, lose some.In post 1721, Lukewarm wrote:Well Shiro, we owe penguin an apology-
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