SecretAgentOrange wrote:A townie wanting to start discussion would put a 2nd vote on an active player, one who would be likely to respond. I kind of feel like putting a 2nd vote on an inactive player would be a much easier scum move. That is, if this weren't in the random phase. And since it is, I don't really think it means much.
I mean, you seem to be a little overly defensive here, but I think I'd prefer to chalk that up as in line with your initial reluctance to random vote in the beginning and not as a scumtell.
In the first post you say it is scummy to vote an inactive to start discussion. In the second post you say that all you were trying to do by voting a lurker was start discussion and that shouldn't be thought of as anti-town. While you come up with an explanation:SecretAgentOrange wrote:What, is it impossible to disagree with someone without thinking they're scum now? I said that two votes wasn't as serious as you were making it out to be, and clarified my reasons for voting you. And like I said before I did so, the reason that I took my vote off you was because my main reason for voting you in the first place was to both get you posting, and to start discussion. As both have happened, I saw no more reason for keeping my vote there.
To further explain, there was no real valid strong reason to suspect ANYONE in this thread as scum. Discussion helps the town. Moving out of the random phase helps the town. I want to do both of those things. Lord Gurgi had a vote on Vir, who had three votes on him. He then urged the town to be more active, and put a third vote on Katie, "just because". It was incredibly obvious to me that he was trying to get people to start posting by doing something that could be called into question as scummy. No one took the bait. He called you out on a minor offense. I felt that if no one had the balls to make a move that might appear scummy for the sake of sparking discussion, discussion would never happen. I put my vote there. As scummy as that may look, how could it possibly be an anti-town move? Any quicklynch that would result from having my vote there on such little evidence would CERTAINLY call me into question on the next day. I'm astounded that you'd think I'd be that stupid as scum.
But I notice that you've never once either attempted to defend yourself as to your lurking behavior, or respond to any of the points that I have made in my defense. You prefer to just attack me. That I think is a serious enough reason to put my vote back on you.
Vote: OhGodMyLife
HA! Wait until you read #58.Alurin wrote:SecretAgentOrange: 8. Her post #53 is a very scummy-looking defensive flail.
This isn't how your two posts looked to me, SAO. It also seems like a lot of retrospect hyperbole.SecretAgentOrange wrote:The mod was threatening to prod everyone. Pardon me for listening to the mods and the IC's and doing what, at the time, I though was the best move to get this goddamned town talking. I felt horrible at the time about having to be threatened into posting.
I'm used to playing the game in IRC, which happens much faster. So, I completely understand where you're coming from here. From what I've seen in the forums, it looks like it's reasonable to expect Day 1 to last for weeks or maybe even months.SecretAgentOrange wrote: I maintain that, while I may have some idea of how mafia works, I have little to no idea how I can reasonably expect the timeframe to work. If a mod is saying people need to post more and an IC tells me someone is lurking, I'm likely to believe them.
Oh, well that's just what scum would say!SecretAgentOrange wrote:Right now, I feel like you've all decided that I look scummy, and anything I say will just look like "Oh, well that's just what scum would say!"
I would like to ask Alurin to provide more detail here. What was so interesting about the reaction to your initial vote?Alurin wrote:Indeed, that was an interesting reaction.
With that move I drew more than 5 posts reacting to it, from 4 different people. Information, my friend, information!Vir4030 wrote:I would like to ask Alurin to provide more detail here. What was so interesting about the reaction to your initial vote?Alurin wrote:Indeed, that was an interesting reaction.
SAO, purely because when pressured, she did respond with less than reassuring answer. Townie read on Alurin for these questions, it's something at least.Alurin wrote:1) SecretAgentOrange, or Alurin?
I am more suspicious of Malyss, because she has a tendency (it would seem) to say she has suspicions, rather than what they are. Vir4030 seems like an eager/crazy townie.Alurin wrote:2) Malyss, or Vir4030?
Absolutely Avangor here, he has picked up his prod (I assume) and still has not posted. Kairio is guilty, however of no-content posts. Pretty high on my suspicions list, because it's not hard to find someone to be suspicious of.Alurin wrote:3) Kairio, or Avangor?
OGML, post more, plzkthx. I do not like Katie much either, considering that 60% of her posts are "I'm newbie" posts, 20% random votes, and 20% defending SAO. Please say who you suspect.Alurin wrote:4) Katie, or OhGodMyLife?
Ummmm... I find both to be scummy. Alurin more for avoiding the question and then posing these questions to all of us as to whom we find more scummy, and then not answering the questions? That seems like he's trying to get somebody in trouble while not getting himself in trouble. That seems odd to me. And as far as SAO goes, I can see two reads on her: either overeager to get this game going (which I'm sure everybody can understand and relate to) or scummy. Now, I'm more inclined to lean towards the overeager. However, not going to discount SAO as scum. I'm going to say that Alurin is the person who I think is more scummy.1) SecretAgentOrange, or Alurin?
Ummmm... well, Malyss has just been kinda socially awkward for me. What I mean by this is that I'm willing to say that she's just not sure how to go about this as far as writing style goes and as far as trying to not be suspicious and still hold people accountable for scummy behavior. Again, this is something that most of us newbies can relate to. Vir4030, on the other hand, has been very good about his tone and those other things, but no one seems to suspect him of being scum. If he is, he's doing a very good job of not casting suspicion upon himself. A far as scumminess goes, I'm actually going to say that I think Vir4030 is the scummier.2) Malyss, or Vir4030?
With Lord Gurgi, again, I get kind of a good dodgy scum read, if he is. However, as far as Lord Gurgi, I don't think he's scummy, and he's not really high on my list.of scumminess. Avangor, also, I don't really get a read on, only because he like never posts. So, I'll give this to Avangor even though neither of them gives me much of the scummy feeling.3) Lord Gurgi, or Avangor?
Katie, as I also am, is guilty of the lurky-no-content posting. And I completely agree with Gurgi when he says that she's been posting random votes, posts defending SAO, and "I'm a newbie" posts. And OGML has also not really posted enough for me to get a read. However, as OGML is an IC I will give this to OGML as scum.4) Katie, or OhGodMyLife?
That seems to contradict to me, which do you mean?Kairio wrote:With Lord Gurgi, again, I get kind of a good dodgy scum read, if he is. However, as far as Lord Gurgi, I don't think he's scummy, and he's not really high on my list.of scumminess.