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Also this post is like hard leaning in to trying to mislim meIn post 394, Not_Mafia wrote:Yeah I was faking, half to try and draw the NK, half for shiggles. Koba kill is... interesting. It feels like a wifom kill but why would scum not want the dwlee-Koba conflict in ELo?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Your argument is actually hella contradictory too now that I look at your reads! You say frogs was obviously town so I wouldn't bring him, but if I were scum and was looking for who to bring to ELO... you had frogs lower than me. You didn't even remember your own fake readIn post 337, The Muffin Man wrote:Gimme til tomorrow to actually catch up but from after the flips
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You burying NM yesterday also kinda made sense, he was basically gone by that point, notably beforehand you were keen to settle on Galron and very much pushed the idea Galron was basically "openwolfing", which obviously turned out to be incorrect.
MM bringing me into today's game could be a misdirect but seems unlikely, Frogster was much more likely to vote for you in an instant and your only hope probably lies with convincing me to back you, however unlikely that may be.-
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I don't think your joint ISOs clear you that much, being exasperated at someone for making a false early claim is such an easy way to put distance between you. Notably you never really pushed too heavily after that.In post 449, Dwlee99 wrote:I think I'm not aligned with NM if you look at our joint ISOs. I mean I'm exasperated and annoyed at him claiming roleblocker for instance in the same way I was with house which is pretty clearly antiTMI that they were both not town PRs-
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Not that NM's read list here exactly went into detail, but I don't see why they put their teammate so high up. Also don't believe NM would jump onto the final vote of an initial bandwagon started by his teammate, personally feels a bit too obvious.In post 352, Not_Mafia wrote:Mod said I have to post content or whatever so here's a readslist
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My only concern re MM is that they did push that initial bandwagon but have been largely quiet riding the game out since then without much suspicion. There's a certain convenience to that, but we'd have to be extremely unlucky statistically for my role check on MM to end up being mafia as opposed to townie.-
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MM was willing to go NM day two, so not as if they mounted a particular defence, but did opt for Galron. But I did the same, as did most of us. In retrospect not a lot of thought really went into that vote.In post 339, The Muffin Man wrote:Tbf i would also lowkey be down to kill N_M
Galron just scummier tho, so if we have the votes...-
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I don't agree at all. It's about where Frogster would end up, not where they were. If you see where NM cut the day short, Frogster was reevaluating their read on me and (fmpov) seemed to be warming up to the idea I was town. I think NM's selfhammer also only really makes sense as a way to cut that discussion short + prevent muffin from having to do any awkward hop on bus etc.In post 457, MalcolmTucker wrote:Frogster heavily suspected you though, did they not? To the point where their vote was likely all but confirmed. From that POV it's not as ridiculous at all. Why wouldn't MM also eliminate me as confirmed town?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I was keen on Galron because he did the obvscum thing but without the same history as NM. I expect NM to quickhammer regardless of alignment, so it isn't a scum tell for him. The key here is I actually have a progression to come to my conclusions + reeval on NM, whereas I think muffin is just stating things without any actual thought.In post 458, MalcolmTucker wrote:You burying NM yesterday also kinda made sense, he was basically gone by that point, notably beforehand you were keen to settle on Galron and very much pushed the idea Galron was basically "openwolfing", which obviously turned out to be incorrect.
MM bringing me into today's game could be a misdirect but seems unlikely, Frogster was much more likely to vote for you in an instant and your only hope probably lies with convincing me to back you, however unlikely that may be.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Well I didn't push because I thought he was a power role. Why would I push that? Also I think you should look at how NM was trying to frame me with the koba kill. He literally entered the day like "oh why would scum kill koba if dwlee wasn't scum" to angle for that push, which I think shows he wanted me to be the mislim.In post 459, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I don't think your joint ISOs clear you that much, being exasperated at someone for making a false early claim is such an easy way to put distance between you. Notably you never really pushed too heavily after that.In post 449, Dwlee99 wrote:I think I'm not aligned with NM if you look at our joint ISOs. I mean I'm exasperated and annoyed at him claiming roleblocker for instance in the same way I was with house which is pretty clearly antiTMI that they were both not town PRsI prefer they, thanks :)-
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Dwlee99 They/themSurvivorThey/them
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This is extremely level 0. I wouldn't be surprised if NM like randomized that list or something. Or even if it was planned... why not put your buddy high up? You don't want them limmed so??In post 460, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Not that NM's read list here exactly went into detail, but I don't see why they put their teammate so high up. Also don't believe NM would jump onto the final vote of an initial bandwagon started by his teammate, personally feels a bit too obvious.In post 352, Not_Mafia wrote:Mod said I have to post content or whatever so here's a readslist
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Your role check on MM was vanilla, not vanilla townie. NM flipped roleblocker so the last scum is vanilla meaning there is no alignment information in MM and I both being vanilla.My only concern re MM is that they did push that initial bandwagon but have been largely quiet riding the game out since then without much suspicion. There's a certain convenience to that, but we'd have to be extremely unlucky statistically for my role check on MM to end up being mafia as opposed to townie.
But also, yea, muffin has been coasting off nothing for three days.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Imo that's just classic distance. It isn't hard to say "yea I'd kill my scum partner but actually let's kill this other person"In post 461, MalcolmTucker wrote:
MM was willing to go NM day two, so not as if they mounted a particular defence, but did opt for Galron. But I did the same, as did most of us. In retrospect not a lot of thought really went into that vote.In post 339, The Muffin Man wrote:Tbf i would also lowkey be down to kill N_M
Galron just scummier tho, so if we have the votes...
That's arguably TMI when NM was a claimed power role and he shouldn't even really be on anyone's list to yeet without a CC.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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lolIn post 361, DkKoba wrote:
That reads list was probably put into random.orgIn post 359, Frogsterking wrote:Galron is now also the 2nd FoS of NMI prefer they, thanks :)-
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this makes zero sense and totally disregards my ability to read up overnight? also we'll pick up on this later, but I think it's disingenuous to not think that my reads would change from pre-Galron-or-NM-flips after those both came round -- but I never got the chance to talk about either until nowIn post 448, Dwlee99 wrote:Given you hadn't expressed a read by virtue of not being around at all yesterday, I have no reason to not at least try bringing frog here in case you scumread them over me. The only perspective it makes sense to bring conftown to ELO is when you know everyone's positions: which only you could have as scum because, again, you weren't around yesterday
NM was going down yesterday regardless of what you did, and your play around him was in no way clearing -- firstly because ofc scum are bussing there) and the speed of your vote actually was antitown bc it let NM drop the self and end day early, which is actually v convenient when you wanna, let's say, target someone who hasn't posted before they get a chance toIn post 450, Dwlee99 wrote:I also buried NM yesterday by pointing out how Malcolm being roleblocked is essentially a guilty on NM
mmmmIn post 451, Dwlee99 wrote:
Also this post is like hard leaning in to trying to mislim meIn post 394, Not_Mafia wrote:Yeah I was faking, half to try and draw the NK, half for shiggles. Koba kill is... interesting. It feels like a wifom kill but why would scum not want the dwlee-Koba conflict in ELo?
this is also bad, and I think speaks to how you're trying to narrativise this and engage without good faithIn post 452, Dwlee99 wrote:
Your argument is actually hella contradictory too now that I look at your reads! You say frogs was obviously town so I wouldn't bring him, but if I were scum and was looking for who to bring to ELO... you had frogs lower than me. You didn't even remember your own fake readIn post 337, The Muffin Man wrote:Gimme til tomorrow to actually catch up but from after the flips
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my reads have obviously changed, and I think it was p easy to predict that frog would go up in reads --> he was consistently applying pressure to NM on d2 and was the hardest pusher on D3 when the flip happened. I think that given that you were also gonna have to go for the bussing play, you didn't want to go against frog who you'd have to also argue he'd bussed too when he was looking better than you in the interactions between the two
In post 454, Dwlee99 wrote:Like why would I bring conftown instead of "nonconftown that townread me over frog"
It's -EV in two waysIn post 455, Dwlee99 wrote:And last quoted post by Frogs is Koba saying I'm ic levels of town
in reference to these three posts:In post 456, Dwlee99 wrote:So for me to be scum I
1.) Didn't shoot conftown
2.) Shot a person with momentum to townread me
3.) Shot a person that was more scumread than me by the last remaining townie
4.) Didn't shoot conftown???
Like what?
again, your entire argument for me being scum is that I apparently would do these things? which I'm assuming is based on this being a new account, but I'm quite obviously not a new player
but yah, your entire pitch here fails to account for why I don't just shoot the conftown (when a frog/dwlee/me endgame doubles my odds of getting a vote on town and I only close down my options while still having to 1v1 there if scum so.... it's like ???? as an explanation for me either)
you're arguing that frog had momentum to TR you --> I don't think his engaging with you is the same thing as "momentum to TR", it's just part of assessing? I certainly don't think that based on his final posts you'd have had any sort of confidence that you had brought him round enough for him not to insta-vote you
and for the 3rd bit again that you'd have to be assuming my reads were unchanged and I don't think that's something you realistically think if being honest-
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okay i'm ngl, not sure i should mention this but:In post 460, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Not that NM's read list here exactly went into detail, but I don't see why they put their teammate so high up. Also don't believe NM would jump onto the final vote of an initial bandwagon started by his teammate, personally feels a bit too obvious.In post 352, Not_Mafia wrote:Mod said I have to post content or whatever so here's a readslist
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My only concern re MM is that they did push that initial bandwagon but have been largely quiet riding the game out since then without much suspicion. There's a certain convenience to that, but we'd have to be extremely unlucky statistically for my role check on MM to end up being mafia as opposed to townie.
NM would 100% hammer in any circumstance and you shouldn't be clearing me off that
also your check on me should be disregarded now that we know that NM was rb. mechanically dwlee and I are equally likely, you need to base your decision here on play-
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you don't get points for killing people who have SR you then getting out in front by saying that it's a frame job homieIn post 469, Dwlee99 wrote:Like he completely sets up this interaction:
Make Koba scumread me by saying I'm not a power role -> kill koba -> try to frame me for the kill.-
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also I'm trying to get out of the multipost habit but:In post 465, Dwlee99 wrote:But also, yea, muffin has been coasting off nothing for three days.
this is exactly why dwlee brings me to elo. he can't easily pin down on why I'm scummy, so he's focusing on lack of activity (which if you wanna try to explain why that's scummy as opposed to NAI, go for it) and trying really hard to build a narrative of why I would choose this Elo and he wouldn't (despite the fact that all the reasons for him not choosing it apply just as much to me if not more so)
anyway, malc, is this helpful or nah? I can be around and respond to dwlee if you like, if you wanna ask me about what I was thinking at certain points in the game I can do that insofar as I remember, but like lowkey idk if any of that really makes choosing easier and I stand by the fact that highest accuracy in elo comes from looking at past days (the main reason why I'm even talking today is bc I know my content has been low and therefore I figure it might be harder to base a choice just off that)-
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