Mini 639 - Sci-Fi/Fantasy Movie Mafia(Over!)

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First Vote Count of Day 1

Muerrto(2): Xtoxm, Rishi
Rishi(2): Muerrto, Korts
Gorrad(1): zoraster
Grimmy(1): ashmite84
ZombieSlayer54(1): Panzerjager
ashmite84(1): fuzzylightning
fuzzylightning(1): farside22
Korts(1): Grimmy

Not Voting: Gorrad, ZombieSlayer54

Deadline Block begins August 4th

[Korts]

I always thought it was a second vote on someone that was considered a BW.

Meh. Semantics.

My point is that Korts was the first to vote Muerrto and then he criticizes me for voting Muerrto. Doesn't that seem strange to you?

My vote was purely random. You however imply reason other than random, in this following quote:

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones.

This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

There is an obvious difference.

[Xtoxm]

Lol...What's wrong with wagoning?

[ZombieSlayer54]

Lol...What's wrong with wagoning?

Nothing.

But when you claim it to be a non-random wagon when there is no evidence to support that fact, you seem REALLY scummy.

[farside22]

Lol...What's wrong with wagoning?

Usually scums like wagon's to hid under. In this case when question Rishi answers to his vote are odd.

[Rishi]

I always thought it was a second vote on someone that was considered a BW.

Meh. Semantics.

My point is that Korts was the first to vote Muerrto and then he criticizes me for voting Muerrto. Doesn't that seem strange to you?

My vote was purely random. You however imply reason other than random, in this following quote:

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones.

This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

There is an obvious difference.

What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?

It's Page 2. You're awfully aggressive for it being so early in the game.

Unvote

FoS: Korts

[Korts]

I hate people hiding behind "It's page <insertpagenumberhere>" signs. So scummy.

Why is it un-page-two-esque to start attacking a player when I see something worth attacking? Assuming it's wrong play for page 2, what is the right play for page 2?

[Korts]

What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?

You declare that you don't usually jump on random wagons. This implies something unusual here, which randomness isn't. Since it's not randomness, it must be some kind of proto- or pseudo-reason.

[Rishi]

What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?

You declare that you don't usually jump on random wagons. This implies something unusual here, which randomness isn't. Since it's not randomness, it must be some kind of proto- or pseudo-reason.

No, you see, that's part of the humor of the situation. I say that I don't do random things and then I do something completely random. It's a break from expectations.

Though judging from your location field and your signature, you obviously don't understand humor. So there's no point explaining it to you.

Vote: Korts

[Korts]

OMGUS much? If not, what exactly is your reason? That I don't have a sense of humor?

Also no need to get personal.

[Korts]

EBWOP

What exactly do you expect, when you contradict yourself (on purpose or not)? Do you think no-one will comment on it?

[Rishi]

My reason for my vote on you is that you are making a case out of something that isn't a case. You're claiming that I have some undisclosed reason for bandwagoning Muerrto. You are taking something said in the joking phase and using it as the basis for a serious vote. Is that scummy? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think you just volunteered yourself to be the first person to receive scrutiny.

I think people should point out apparent contradictions in the random phase in order to carve a path out of the random phase (which is the reason I occasionally drop super obvious scumtells in the random phase). However, it's just the basis for discussion. You seem to think that you've found scum, which you haven't. In fact, I hardly ever see scum drawing that much attention to themselves in the random phase.

Yes, I do realize the irony that I said scum don't draw attention to themselves early in the game, which is precisely what you're doing. But, you said yourself, it shouldn't matter how far into the game it is. I see something suspicious. I'm commenting on it.

I apologize for the personal attack. I didn't mean to cross the line.

[Korts]

I don't think I've found scum, I think I've found something that's more worthwhile to take a look at than anything else so far. This reason is far from enough for a serious case or, say, a lynch, but the path to serious discussion leads through pseudo-serious discussion generated by contradictions and such in random stage.

I sometimes try to stimulate discussion in random stage with similar gambits. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. And coming up with "it was done to generate discussion" is an excuse, basically, even if it's true.

I have no problem with personal attacks, it's just not the time and place. Hey, even I know my sense of humor sucks, imagine how that must suck!

[farside22]

Korts: Question on your last statement. You say the following:

I don't think I've found scum, I think I've found something that's more worthwhile to take a look at than anything else so far

Does this mean you don't think rishi is scum because that is what I'm reading? If not then why change your vote for someone you don't think is scum and leave it as an FOS?

Rishi: Why would you purposely do something scummy to promote talks? Anyone can say opps my bad if caught in a lie so how do you expect people to believe you when you say anything later in the game?

[Rishi]

Rishi: Why would you purposely do something scummy to promote talks? Anyone can say opps my bad if caught in a lie so how do you expect people to believe you when you say anything later in the game?

Because the random stage allows such things. EVERYONE does scummy things in the random stage. (A vote without justification or with very thin justification is scummy.) Though my statements may have been slightly more extreme, they are still within the parameters of what is acceptable during the random stage. Go to almost ANY game and look at the first couple pages. You'll find scumtells left and right. But no one, except for the occasional newbie, uses these as a basis for lynching someone.

By your logic, how are we to trust anyone who ever places a random vote?

[Muerrto]

But you said it twice Rishi. Korts voted me because my name means dead and I'm not dead, hence the LAL. Xtomx voted me because he tried to kill my invincible guy in the last game and bounced off, natch. You voted me supposedly 'random' and then stated twice a reason for it. If it's a joke, why reinforce it so much?

[Rishi]

But you said it twice Rishi. Korts voted me because my name means dead and I'm not dead, hence the LAL. Xtomx voted me because he tried to kill my invincible guy in the last game and bounced off, natch. You voted me supposedly 'random' and then stated twice a reason for it. If it's a joke, why reinforce it so much?

You have no idea the lengths that I will go to for what I think is a good joke. Most of the time other people don't necessarily find it funny, but, man, I keep myself amused quite a bit.

What "reason" do I have for voting you (which I'm no longer doing)? I haven't given any reasons that can be taken as a non-joke.

[Muerrto]

I think that was the point of the move on you, you didn't HAVE a reason but you stated one, twice.

I'm not calling for your lynch or anything but you surely understand we don't your PM so why would you do something that's obv gonna make us distrust you?

[Rishi]

I think that was the point of the move on you, you didn't HAVE a reason but you stated one, twice.

I'm not calling for your lynch or anything but you surely understand we don't your PM so why would you do something that's obv gonna make us distrust you?

You keep saying "twice." I'm not sure what, specifically, you're referring to.

As far as doing something that'll make you distrust me... whether you trust me or not is YOUR issue. It's not my intention to foster distrust. Whenever I see an experienced player doing something blatantly scummy, I usually think, "That's odd" and not "That's scummy."

But as far as why I'd do something to jumpstart the thread, it's fairly obvious. The random stage blows. Also, we effectively have a two-week deadline (since, after August 4, the day will end without warning). We don't have time to dither around.

[farside22]

It's Page 2. You're awfully aggressive for it being so early in the game.

Unvote

FoS: Korts

Why is Korts wrong being aggressive then knowing there is a 2 week deadline?

[Rishi]

It's Page 2. You're awfully aggressive for it being so early in the game.

Unvote

FoS: Korts

Why is Korts wrong being aggressive then knowing there is a 2 week deadline?

There's a difference between directed aggression and jumping at shadows.

[Muerrto]

My bad, you said it twice cause you EBWOP.

Personally, I don't think it's a big deal and I think Korts and you both are making too big a deal out of it. Let's hear from some of the quiet ones.

[ashmite84]

Since when have you been a BW person?

I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though.

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon.

I don't usually jump on random ones.

This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

When you made this joke, what did your EBWOP (the part I've bolded) add to or quantify of the original post? It just looks odd, like it wasn't worth adding. Were you afraid that it might be taken the wrong way without this addition?

[Rishi]

Since when have you been a BW person?

I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though.

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon.

I don't usually jump on random ones.

This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

When you made this joke, what did your EBWOP (the part I've bolded) add to or quantify of the original post? It just looks odd, like it wasn't worth adding. Were you afraid that it might be taken the wrong way without this addition?

I edited the post because I dropped that sentence when I made the second post. The "though" doesn't make sense without the middle sentence.

I also want to hear from some of the people who are being quiet and those who haven't had a chance to post yet.

[Korts]

I also want to hear from some of the people who are being quiet and those who haven't had a chance to post yet.