Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!
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I can link you about 7 games where that’s exactly how I treated Shoshin d1
Including one where I was wrong and she wasn’t town, she was 3P
Like sure this is our song and dance and we’d perform it as scum too but don’t act like you know better than the entire rest of the pl how I’d treat Shoshin here d1 if I’m town and she shows and and plays in ways most people consider weird. It had all the hallmarks of one of our t/t games until it didn’tHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Subject: Mini Normal 1839 - Mafia PT
did some deeper meta research into more than just lowell towngames lolLowell wrote:fuck me. i hate being scum.-
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VOTE: dunnstral
I prefer this to cw, ironically bbt has convinced me the flash wagon on Fred could possibly all be townies, and dunnstral’s entrance followed by shutting up feels like scum who thought they’d done enough to save themselves and didn’t want to mess it up by sticking aroundHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I thought cw was the most likely vig, followed by Malcolm.
I think you’ll find I’ve led the insanity today, BBT, not followed it. If you’re going to scumread me do it for the right reasonsHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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i would have never shot loftwing or mala LOLIn post 2155, Irrelephant11 wrote:I thought cw was the most likely vig, followed by Malcolm.
I think you’ll find I’ve led the insanity today, BBT, not followed it. If you’re going to scumread me do it for the right reasons-
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I think she put in extra effort because I’m in the game. I’ve completely tricked her as scum before so she wanted to get me back, competitive spirit styleIn post 2156, Confidently Wrong wrote:the thing I'm struggling with from my own point of view is that for shoshin to perform this way I feel they needed to be coached at least somewhat.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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irrelephant im confused why you weren't hard shoving me, I am doing my due dilligence and saw you post in a thread named "what do you deem scummy" and thought I might research rq , because i actually hadn't meta dived you. can you just explain, rq. bc I am trying to find out *how* shoshin was able to post how they did most of d1.In post 5, Irrelephant11 wrote:- Narrative-ization: when I perceive that someone is inserting a narrative to someone else's words & actions that I don't think is there
- Voting for town: especially more than once
- Unreasonableness: Being less willing to hear me out than I would normally expect a person to be
- AtE: especially to do anything other than defend oneself-
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I didn’t think too hard about who the vig was I just let the “eira is vig” stuff function as WIFOMIn post 2157, Confidently Wrong wrote:
i would have never shot loftwing or mala LOLIn post 2155, Irrelephant11 wrote:I thought cw was the most likely vig, followed by Malcolm.
I think you’ll find I’ve led the insanity today, BBT, not followed it. If you’re going to scumread me do it for the right reasonsHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Subject: Micro 876: Chain of Command [Ended]
oh in case anyone doubts the fact that shoshin hard broke meta this game lmfao i am looking thru an old game for research...Shoshin wrote:I hate playing scum. In the future I don't think I'm going to play the scum games out. Expect replacements.-
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What’s your question? How did Shoshin replicate enough of her town play to trick those who know her meta (answer: basically just repeating the script that’s gotten me to townread her in the past)In post 2159, Confidently Wrong wrote:
irrelephant im confused why you weren't hard shoving me, I am doing my due dilligence and saw you post in a thread named "what do you deem scummy" and thought I might research rq , because i actually hadn't meta dived you. can you just explain, rq. bc I am trying to find out *how* shoshin was able to post how they did most of d1.In post 5, Irrelephant11 wrote:- Narrative-ization: when I perceive that someone is inserting a narrative to someone else's words & actions that I don't think is there
- Voting for town: especially more than once
- Unreasonableness: Being less willing to hear me out than I would normally expect a person to be
- AtE: especially to do anything other than defend oneself
Why didn’t I scumread you? I thought your effort was extremely towny, and also I actively shoved down paranoia about you because I wanted to work with the talkative player/knew a vig could get you without me having to go down the ugly endurance fest known as scumreading youHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 269, Irrelephant11 wrote:*she
I don't know how anyone without meta experience has a strong read on Shoshin. I wouldn't even say my own read is "strong" at this point.-
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She’s been reprimanded for actually doing this and also has told me she wants to see if she can trick me. The rep out should have been a big hint but I didn’t want to assume a trust tell scenario. Actually her repping out basically clears me tbhIn post 2163, Confidently Wrong wrote:Subject: Micro 876: Chain of Command [Ended]
oh in case anyone doubts the fact that shoshin hard broke meta this game lmfao i am looking thru an old game for research...Shoshin wrote:I hate playing scum. In the future I don't think I'm going to play the scum games out. Expect replacements.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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The one scenario she doesn’t replace out this game is with me, one of her favorite people to play mafia with and someone who would willingly write her posts for herHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I can rest at peace. I have stuff to do, I give you my full blessing on the Irrelephant shot, I think that it "clicked" when I had to consider "Shoshin has to be coached".
Irrelephant's vote on Loftwing came after a pretty strong meta case very quickly.
I want to read more but Malcom pointed it out too that a lot of unprompted defense of Shoshin early on. But later on Shoshin wasnt in the top tier of his reads. This is incongruent with the fact that irrelephant now has corroborated how polarized Shoshin's meta is.-
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I’ve got like 5 more minutes before I have to log off for a bunch of hoursHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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for someone who has as polarized of a meta like shoshin this isIn post 258, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'll go first then
FancyPants
BBT, Frederick, Malcolm
Shoshin, Malakittens, Lowell, Eiralox
Confidently Wrong, Cat Scratch Fever --- null
Loftwing
kenny
Hmmm I have too many townreads probably-
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Irrelephant, my problem right now is, the rest of the people here:
Kenny(now dunn)
Lowell
Malcom
that could reasonably be mafia, all have 1 thing in common. They are either inexperienced/do not like playing scum which in turn causes them to display that in their scum skill level.
The last scum demands someone who is skilled. Sure, I fit the bill, but I'm already dying. I know I will flip town, and the game continues.
We are left with 1 option. You.-
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