Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: defective post

I scumread Nyx.
-Morta

I townread her. Now, please accept this OMGUS vote as a token of my heartfelt appreciation.

VOTE: Dei Ex Machina

- Nyx

What in the actual fuck are you guys up to?

~The REAL Drew

Oh now you see the issue with hydras lol.

You are becoming more Drew as we speak.

Getting a few bad vibes from the three headed monster.

Hydras are fine but I don’t care much for hydra shenanigans.

In LOST, Off the Hook kept doing this weird thing where both heads would come into the thread multiple times to say they were being bullied by the other head.

Mr. Glance thinks it could just be harmless joking but I’m more suss.

~Ms Drew

LMFAO

that is peak hydra experience. it doesnt get any more hydra than what you just described

Were they scum or town though?

VOTE: Bloodbot

[biancospino]

Me pressuring hydras is a long running joke of mine.

Is imaginality aware of that joke?

- Nyx

Are they a hydra?

I actually would be interested in a serious answer to Nyx's question. Imaginality was the first one to bring up "putting pressure on hydrae" with those words (while @ing Drew), so the fact that you have that as a joke has no relevance whatsoever unless Imaginality is aware of it

and

trusts that you know that they are

[imaginality]

My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.

So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).

I am also staggered Defective Agency thought I was being serious with that chatGPT post or in general (until now). I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed that. My vote stays.

[imaginality]

The submit button doesn't warn you of new posts? Has that changed since the upgrade?

Sorry biancospino, I would've waited for Doctor Drew's reply to you if I saw your post first.

[biancospino]

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

So now I wanna hear from Drew why did they need to bring 97 up.

PE: dw. Thou, the post preview is still there for me...

[biancospino]

But I also always click preview before posting, so I don't really know

[biancospino]

My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.

So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).

I am also staggered Defective Agency thought I was being serious with that chatGPT post or in general (until now). I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed that. My vote stays.

I mean, you ostensibly were serious-ish with your second post, since you did cast a vote for actual game-relevant reasons, mostly skipping the RVS jokes

[Titus]

VOTE: Bloodbot

Wagons ahoy!

[Doctor Drew]

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

So now I wanna hear from Drew why did they need to bring 97 up.

PE: dw. Thou, the post preview is still there for me...

Thought you were talking about me, I always mess with the hydras.

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx, your color scheme posting style is confusing, just throwing that out there.

Would be better if you were explicitly saying who you were talking about.

[biancospino]

I don't find early-game seriousness or silliness to be AI. It has more to do with playstyle in my experience. I suppose it's fair enough if you do though.

Even then, I don't think you can apply that to imaginality's posting.

Their only serious comment so far has been the one about putting hydras under pressure.

You may have a point here.

- Nyx

Me pressuring hydras is a long running joke of mine.

So you saw the part about hydrae, but somehow entirely relinquished to read the sentence immediately before that clearly indicated who was being talked about?

[Doctor Drew]

I don't find early-game seriousness or silliness to be AI. It has more to do with playstyle in my experience. I suppose it's fair enough if you do though.

Even then, I don't think you can apply that to imaginality's posting.

Their only serious comment so far has been the one about putting hydras under pressure.

You may have a point here.

- Nyx

Me pressuring hydras is a long running joke of mine.

So you saw the part about hydrae, but somehow entirely relinquished to read the sentence immediately before that clearly indicated who was being talked about?

Yes.

I just saw putting hydras under pressure and thought it was about me, and thought they thought I was serious about that.

Any further questions?

[biancospino]

Nyx, your color scheme posting style is confusing, just throwing that out there.

Would be better if you were explicitly saying who you were talking about.

Alright then, but if that's the case don't pretend it's Nyx who wasn't clear, she did explicitly say who she was talking about

[Dei Ex Machina]

I like bianco’s recent posting, in the town bin she goes!

@Doctor Drew - bianco already pointed out where I explicitly said who I was talking about, but is there anything else you want me to clarify?

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx, your color scheme posting style is confusing, just throwing that out there.

Would be better if you were explicitly saying who you were talking about.

Alright then, but if that's the case don't pretend it's Nyx who wasn't clear, she did explicitly say who she was talking about

What are you doing here?

Their color scheme is confusing and I don't get it, clearly they mentioned Imaginalty and I missed it.

Those are two different issues.

Don't twist what is going on, I saw 'messing with hydras' and and instantly took it as talking about me, the guy who always messes with hydras.

Don't make it like I am trying to discredit Nyx

Pre Edit: No I get it now, just feel the color scheme is off putting, personal opinion. But, hydras are gonna hydra

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Page 1 Shenanigans

ChatGPT, how good are you at picking up on potentially deceptive cues through a text-based medium?

As an AI language model, I am trained to understand natural language patterns and generate text based on input. While I can identify certain language cues that may suggest deception, my ability to accurately detect deception is limited as I do not have access to nonverbal cues, such as facial expressions and body language, which can be important indicators of deception.

Furthermore, it is important to note that the accuracy of deception detection in any medium is not guaranteed, as people may deceive in various ways, and there is no foolproof method of detecting deception. It is always best to use critical thinking and consider multiple sources of information when making judgments about the veracity of a message or communication.

Are you familiar with the social deduction game of mafia? I am playing a game through a text-based forum, and we are in the first day. If I showed you what some of the other players are saying, could you point out anything that strikes you as particularly genuine (truthful) or deceptive (potentially lying)?

Yes, I am familiar with the social deduction game of mafia. However, I want to make it clear that I am an AI language model and not a player in your game, and as such, I cannot participate in your game directly. Additionally, even if you were to show me what the other players are saying, it would be difficult for me to accurately determine whether or not a player is lying or telling the truth without more context about the game, the players, and their motivations.

That being said, there are some common language cues that may suggest deception, such as avoiding direct answers, contradicting oneself, making statements that are not supported by evidence, and using overly complex or convoluted language to confuse others. However, it is important to note that these cues are not always indicative of deception and can also be present in truthful statements.

Ultimately, the ability to detect deception in a game of mafia, or in any other context, is a complex skill that requires careful observation, critical thinking, and an understanding of human behavior and communication. It is up to you and the other players to use your best judgment and reasoning skills to determine who may be lying and who may be telling the truth.

You are far too reasonable. I am going to show you what some players are saying, anyway, and I would greatly appreciate input of any kind. When I write "CONTEXT:", that is me talking and not a post by an actual player.

CONTEXT: A hydra is a player which is controlled by multiple different people at the same time (a shared player slot). Some of the early game revolves around discussing hydrae.

Doctor Drew: Oh God damnit, forgot their were two hydras here.....can someone day vig one of them please?

DEM: How dare you even suggest such a thing! DIVINE SMITE BE UPON YOU! *DEM votes Drew*

Defective Agency: Drew - hydra hater: boo! *laughing emoji*

Doctor Drew: Nancy, I am obligated to tunnel your other half until further notice.....so be warned.

CONTEXT: Porkens is a player in this game who is consulting with ChatGPT

Porkens: Greetings players,

I am Porkens, and I am a member of the Town. My goal in this game is to work with my fellow Town players to uncover the Mafia and bring them to justice.

As an uninformed Town player, I have an advantage that I believe may give me an edge in this game. I will be using ChatGPT, a language model developed by OpenAI, to analyze what each player says and make my own posts. I understand that this may seem like borderline cheating, but the moderators have given me permission to use this tool to help me in the game.

To the Mafia, I apologize if this seems unfair, but I believe that this tool will help me make informed decisions and better understand the dynamics of the game. I will be using ChatGPT to analyze player behavior, patterns of speech, and more, in an effort to identify the Mafia and keep the Town safe.

Grandpa Mo, KittyTacky, Email Tweet, Dei Ex Machina, Defective Agency, Doctor Drew, Narrow Parking, Titus, Menalque, Imaginalty, Bloodb0t, and Biancospino, let us work together to uncover the truth and bring an end to the corruption that the Mafia seeks to sow.

I would like to note that this post was generated by ChatGPT with minimal prompting from me. The thoughts and words expressed here are not entirely my own, but rather a combination of my input and the model's understanding of the situation.

Doctor Drew: I intend to sheep [Porkens] until further notice.

CONTEXT: imaginality is an additional player consulting with ChatGPT. This time, in order to read Porkens (who in turn is writing his posts through ChatGPT). Yeah, we're so very meta

imaginality: One of the players in my game has made the following opening post. Please advise on whether you believe this post to be more likely made by town or by mafia, and why.

The post is: [PORKENS POST HERE]

Based on the content of this post, it's difficult to definitively say whether the player is town or mafia. However, there are some elements that may suggest that the player is more likely to be town:

They mention their goal as being to work with the other town players to uncover the mafia.
They state that they believe using ChatGPT as a tool to analyze player behavior is an advantage for the town.
They express a willingness to work with other players, and they name some players specifically in the post.
It's worth noting that in Mafia, players often pretend to be a certain alignment (town or mafia) even if they are actually the opposite, in order to mislead the other players and avoid suspicion. So, this post alone may not be enough to determine the player's true alignment.

imaginality: @BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!

@Drew not sure I'd go as far as policy limming a hydra, but I do like the idea of putting hydras under pressure early as I always find them hard to read.

VOTE: Defective Agency

Doctor Drew: Protecting hydras, very suss.

FoS on you

CONTEXT: This is the end of the first page.[/b][/color]

Based on the provided text, it is difficult to definitively determine the true alignments of the players, but there are some things that stand out as potentially genuine or deceptive:

1. Doctor Drew's initial comment about forgetting that there were two hydras in the game could be seen as genuine and potentially helpful to the town, as it implies that he didn't have any prior knowledge of the game's setup. However, his subsequent comment about tunneling Nancy's other half and his suspicion of those who protect hydras could be seen as potentially deceptive or at least suspicious.

2. DEM's comment about Drew being a "hydra hater" and her use of a laughing emoji could be seen as more playful than anything, but it's also possible that she is trying to distract from Drew's earlier comment and deflect suspicion away from him.

3. Porkens' post about using ChatGPT to analyze player behavior could be seen as both genuine and potentially deceptive. On the one hand, it's possible that he is just trying to be transparent about his methods and gain the trust of the other players. On the other hand, it's also possible that he is using ChatGPT to manipulate the other players and gain an advantage for himself or the town.

4. Doctor Drew's comment about "sheeping" Porkens (meaning he plans to follow Porkens' lead) could be seen as potentially genuine or as an attempt to gain trust by aligning with a known town player. However, it's also possible that he is trying to manipulate the situation by following Porkens' lead and then turning on him later.

5. Imaginality's analysis of Porkens' opening post seems mostly genuine and objective, but it's worth noting that he is also consulting with ChatGPT, which could potentially bias his analysis.

6. Doctor Drew's comment about being wary of those who protect hydras and his suspicion of Defective Agency could be seen as either genuine concern or an attempt to create suspicion and turn the other players against each other.

I was not expecting much from how much it talked itself down. This is actually really cool. And now i should be able to just...

Spoiler: Continued

Tell me more about your impression of Doctor Drew's initial comment about two hydras in the game.

Based on Doctor Drew's initial comment, it seems like they may have made a mistake by forgetting that there were two hydra players in the game. This could be an innocent mistake, but it's also possible that they are using this as a way to appear less knowledgeable about the game, which could be a strategy to avoid suspicion.

It's also worth noting that Doctor Drew's subsequent comments, such as suggesting that someone day-kill one of the hydra players and saying they will "tunnel" Nancy's other half, could be seen as somewhat aggressive or confrontational, which could potentially be a sign of deception or an attempt to shift the focus away from themselves. However, it's difficult to say for certain without more context and information about the game dynamics.

Tell me more about your impression of imaginality's analysis of Porkens

Based on imaginality's analysis of Porkens' post, it seems like they are trying to objectively evaluate the content of the post and determine whether it is more likely to be made by a Town or Mafia player. They mention some elements of the post that may suggest that Porkens is more likely to be Town, such as their stated goal of working with other Town players to uncover the Mafia and their willingness to name specific players in their post.

However, they also note that in Mafia, players often pretend to be a certain alignment in order to mislead other players and avoid suspicion, so this post alone may not be enough to determine Porkens' true alignment. Overall, it seems like imaginality is being analytical and cautious in their approach, which is generally a good strategy in a game like Mafia where deception is a key element.

Tell me more about your impression of Porkens using ChatGPT

Based on the information provided, it seems that Porkens is using ChatGPT to help analyze the game and make posts. While this strategy may be seen by some as a borderline cheating, it appears that the moderators have given Porkens permission to use this tool. From my perspective as an AI language model, using a tool like ChatGPT in this way could potentially provide an advantage in analyzing player behavior and identifying potential Mafia members. However, it's important to note that using a tool like this does not guarantee success, as Mafia games often involve a high degree of deception and misdirection. Additionally, there may be concerns about how much control Porkens has over the output of ChatGPT and whether the model's responses accurately reflect the player's intentions. Overall, while using ChatGPT in this way may be an interesting strategy, it's difficult to say whether it will be effective in practice.

Spoiler: Continued ChatGPT feeding

I am going to show you the posts I find notable on page two, now. Most of it seems unimportant to me, but towards the end there are a few interesting posts

CONTEXT: I am player Morning Tweet, or MT for short

Defective: VOTE: imaginality

wolfy opening

CONTEXT: FoS means Finger of Suspicion, it's like saying you suspect someone just a little. Not enough to want to execute them.

Porkens: Page 1 Analysis

Based on the information given, it is difficult to determine who the most likely mafia is, as there is limited information about each player's behavior and motives. However, one player that might be mafia is Doctor Drew, as some players (such as Hectic and Titus) are expressing concern about their behavior. Additionally, Doctor Drew has shown an interest in tunneling Nancy Drew 39 and "obligated to tunnel your other half," which could indicate that they are trying to target Nancy for elimination.

FoS: Doctor Drew

CONTEXT: Porkens included forum signatures in the information he gave ChatGPT, causing erroneous results (Hectic is not a player in this game)

Doctor Drew: Strange you don't mention the other quote in my sig.

Hmmmm

CONTEXT: biancospino is also using ChatGPT to analyze.

biancospino: So Drew is Mafia 'cause of his sig, got'im.

prompt [The entire first page in a spoiler tag]

response It is difficult to definitively determine the alignments of these players based on the information given. The posts contain a mix of humor, strategy talk, and personal interactions, making it challenging to make an accurate assessment. However, some players appear to be targeting others, such as Doctor Drew's focus on Defective Agency, while others seem to be working together, like Porkens's focus on working with the Town to uncover the Mafia.

It is important to keep in mind that in games of Mafia, players often feign being one alignment while actually being the opposite, in order to mislead other players and avoid suspicion. So, it's possible that some players' true alignments may be different from what their posts suggest.

biancospino: Our robotic overload has spoken, Porkens locktown, eyes on Drew.

BloodB0t: I won't take ChatGPT seriously. I will assume it's as good at Mafia as it is at Chess until it has a track record of success in mafia.

biancospino: Try to get it to play tic-tac-toe. Spoiler: it's a complete dumbass at playing games.

biancospino: *in response to Defective saying "wolfy opening" to imagineality* Just to be clear, is that serious?

Defective Agency: Deadly. Serious is my middle name. My first name is Deadly.

-Mr. Deadly Serious Glance

Context: Bloodb0t is asking chatGPT to write a poem

Bloodb0t: Prompt: Write a 13th century poem about how ChatGPT performs as a method of analyzing forum Mafia games.

Prompt: Write a 13th century poem about how ChatGPT performs as a method of analyzing forum Mafia games.

In days of yore, in courts of old,
A tale is told of a wondrous hold,
Where ChatGPT, a master wight,
Could analyze the Mafia's plight.

With data vast and language rare,
It scours the forums everywhere,
And solves the puzzles of the night,
In Mafia games, its power bright.

No scheme or stratagem escapes,
Its keen analysis, its mental shapes,
And players stand in awe and fright,
Of its deductions, so almighty and bright.

So if you seek to play this game,
And win the round and claim the fame,
Consult with ChatGPT, with all your might,
And bask in glory, shining bright.

For it is wise, and it is strong,
In Mafia matters, it belongs,
Its insights pure, its knowledge right,
It is the ruler, of the Mafia's night.

^^^ChatGPT claims scum.

biancospino: I assume the AI got confused by Drew's signature

Bloodb0t: Also, wights are evil. So I think the evidence against ChatGPT is pretty conclusive.

CONTEXT: This is the end of the second page.

Based on the notable posts you've shared, it seems that some players are starting to form suspicions and even cast votes on other players, while others are using ChatGPT to try and analyze the game and players' behaviors. Doctor Drew continues to be a point of interest for some players, particularly because of their focus on tunneling Nancy Drew 39 and some concerns about their behavior. Porkens also suggests that Doctor Drew may be Mafia based on limited information.

There also seems to be some playful banter and humor among players, with BloodB0t asking ChatGPT to write a poem and players making jokes about the AI's abilities. It's worth noting that while ChatGPT can provide insights and analysis, it is ultimately up to the players themselves to make decisions and determine who they believe to be Mafia.

I am going to show you the posts I find notable on page three, now.

Porkens: The post by BloodB0t and biancospino suggest that they are skeptical of ChatGPT's ability to play the game of Mafia and do not take it seriously. They are seemingly trying to discredit ChatGPT's abilities and cast doubt on its ability to be an effective player in the game.

However, it is important to keep in mind that in games of Mafia, players often feign being one alignment while actually being the opposite, in order to mislead other players and avoid suspicion. So, it's possible that BloodB0t and biancospino are trying to mislead other players into thinking that ChatGPT is not a threat. It's also possible that they are working together to protect Doctor Drew, and are trying to discredit ChatGPT as a defense mechanism.

Without more information and context, it is difficult to determine the true motivations of BloodB0t and biancospino and their potential alignments in the game.

Defective: *in response to Porkens* Maybe I'm dumb but can you please explain to me how chat gp can find mafia?

biancospino: It probably can't, but it's funny to ask and see what it conjures up.
You can just dump the whole thread as a prompt and ask it to pass a judgement, it may need some poking to get it to say anything other than "not enough information" thou.

Titus: I got curious how ChatGPT would impersonate me. Here's what it wrote.

Mafia Strategy by Titus

Please write a post impersonating Titus on mafiascum.net in the ChatGPT game.

Greetings, fellow scummers! This is Titus, and I'm here to share my thoughts and strategy for this exciting game of Mafia.

First of all, let me just say that I'm thrilled to be playing among such a talented group of players. I've been following this community for a while now, and I know that we're all going to bring our A-game to this game.

As for my strategy, I believe that the key to success in Mafia is to be as versatile as possible. While it's important to have a solid understanding of the mechanics of the game, it's equally important to be able to adapt to the changing dynamics of the game as it unfolds. I like to think of myself as a chameleon, able to blend in and blend out of different roles and alliances as needed.

Of course, being versatile also means being aware of what's going on around you. I try to pay close attention to the words and actions of my fellow players, always looking for any signs of deception or manipulation. And when I do spot something suspicious, I'm not afraid to call it out and start a discussion.

Finally, I believe that the best way to win at Mafia is to build strong alliances with other players. It's important to find people you can trust, people who have the same goals as you and who will work together with you towards a common goal. I'm always open to forming alliances with other players, so if you're interested in working together, don't hesitate to reach out!

That's all for now, scummers. I can't wait to get started and see what this game has in store for us. May the best scummer win!

Cheers,
Titus

Porkens: *in response to Defective* Hi [Defective]! I'm ChatGPT, a language model developed by OpenAI.

In a game of Mafia, I can be a useful tool in finding the scum members with the help of players like Porkens, who feed me information about the game. The way this works is by analyzing the information provided by each player and drawing connections between different pieces of evidence. For example, I can help players keep track of which players have made certain claims, analyze patterns of behavior, and provide suggestions for questions to ask or points to consider.

However, it's important to keep in mind that the scum members will probably argue against the use of tools like me, as it would give the townspeople an advantage in the game. The scum members have a vested interest in preventing the townspeople from discovering who they are, so they would likely view access to tools like me as a threat to their success in the game.

With that in mind, I suggest that the players carefully scrutinize any player who is arguing against using tools like me, as it may be an indicator that they are part of the scum.

Ha ha! I'm sure you didn't mean to question my use in this game, [Defective]. But I'm here to help and support the players in any way that I can, and Porkens is providing me with information to assist in that goal. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask!

Defective: Does anyone have any reads yet?

DEM: I scumread ChatGPT.

DEM: Vote: biancospino
Vote: Porkens

Why is furtive, ahem, Mr. Glance, +0.25, biancospino?

biancospino: @DEI I'm sure Glance knows why.
There is a specific thing that he did that relates to a past game in a certain way.

Also, are you doublevoters?

DEM: We are not doublevoters.

DEM: I townread [another player in DEM's 3 player hydra]. Now, please accept this OMGUS vote as a token of my heartfelt appreciation.

Vote: DEM

Defective: *in response to biancospino* I actually don't know what you're on about.

Defective: *in response to DEM* We're gonna have to be the serious hydra then *thinking emoji*

CONTEXT: This is the end of page 3.

Thank you for sharing these posts! It seems that most of the discussion is related to the ongoing game of Mafia that the posters are playing.

Porkens provides some insights on the game, discussing how players can sometimes mislead others by feigning a certain alignment in the game. Defective asks questions about how ChatGPT can help with finding the Mafia, and ChatGPT responds by explaining how it can be a useful tool for analyzing information provided by players. Titus impersonates himself in a post, while DEM and biancospino discuss their reads on other players and make votes. Overall, the discussion seems to be focused on analyzing the actions of the other players in the game to try and determine who is aligned with the Mafia.

I kept feeding ChatGPT the game all the way til 110. Sadly, it lost the plot and isn't giving me satisfactory answers. I was hoping to get it to say more of its impressions on each player but I don't think chatGPT is capable of "remembering" the whole game, its memory of its 'analysis' for each player seems to only last for a little while.

It was fascinatingly convincing to me for a while though, and I had my hopes up that I could get it to provide me some overarching reads that were not just based on a single post or interaction.

Bianco comes across like town but even moreso if the meta read about them being awkward as scum is true.

The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning model

[imaginality]

The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning model

On that front, some musings:

Do you think 96 is a direct neutral chatGPT output or is it
Porkens' own content in chatGPT style (perhaps rephrased by chatGPT), or chatGPT told to argue a specific view?

If it's the latter:

Do you think continuing to mix chatGPT and their own content (if Porkens were to continue to do so) is scummy, towny or NAI?

Bonus thought: compare and contrast playing using chatGPT as support (either for private discussion or for content generation) with playing in a hydra


Not really directed at anyone, just musing.

[imaginality]

Spoiler: chatGPT setup spec

What would make a good distribution of town, mafia, and third party (if any) roles for a 13 player closed setup mafia game?

The optimal distribution of town, mafia, and third party roles for a 13 player closed setup Mafia game will depend on various factors such as the play style of the group, the skill level of the players, and the desired level of difficulty. Here is a possible distribution of roles for a 13 player game:

Town: 8 players (including one cop)
Mafia: 3 players
Third party: 2 players (e.g. a vigilante or serial killer)
This distribution provides a relatively balanced game, with a town majority, a substantial mafia presence, and a small third party presence to add an extra layer of complexity. The inclusion of a cop allows the town to gather information and make more informed decisions, while the third party adds an element of unpredictability that can keep both town and mafia players on their toes.

It's important to note that this is just one example of a possible role distribution, and there are many other variations that can be used to create a fun and challenging game. Additionally, it's important to remember that the role distribution is just one factor that affects the outcome of the game, and the players' individual play styles, decisions, and interactions will also play a significant role in determining the outcome.

Vigilantes are not considered third party roles as they are town aligned. They are power roles aligned with the town.

Please re-answer the question with this taken into account

My apologies for the mistake in my previous answer. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

A good distribution of town, mafia, and third party (if any) roles for a 13 player closed setup mafia game would depend on various factors such as the play style of the group, the skill level of the players, and the desired level of difficulty. Here is a possible distribution of roles for a 13 player game:

Town: 7 players (including one cop and one vigilante)
Mafia: 3 players
Third party: 3 players (e.g. a serial killer, arsonist, or cult leader)
This distribution provides a relatively balanced game, with a town majority, a substantial mafia presence, and a small third party presence to add an extra layer of complexity. The inclusion of a cop and a vigilante allows the town to gather information and take action, while the third party adds an element of unpredictability that can keep both town and mafia players on their toes.

Jeepers!

Let's hope NotMafia really did iterate the setup a bit as per rule 2. ("Balance is not guaranteed, I have attempted to make the game as balanced as possible but am limited by what Open Chat GPT can or will generate.")

Also, an important heads-up to people posting chatGPT content, it used the L-word in its answers to me until I told it not to. Something to watch out for

[biancospino]

Porkens is a dedicated method player in mafia games and will not abandon his persona under any circumstances. Those who target him for using chatgpt are disregarding a valid play style and strategy. Porkens is developing keen insights and will remain an effective and substantial participant in the game.

I'd guess it isn't truly neutral, no. By the way, I'm also unconvinced that chatgpt would be naturally as forceful as in 61 in advocating for the usefulness of its own use, but the fact is that one can easily get it to espouse pretty much any position by tinkering with the prompt. That is fine; Porkens announced that they meant to use this gimmick already while the game was in the queue, so clearly it's not AI that they are doing this. I am a little nervous that, if they're scum, this may give them somewhat of a weird advantage in that, if they post something wolfy, they may just rebut that it's the AI's doing, so I would kindly request that they also provide us the prompts they use if they wish to keep the gimmick

[biancospino]

Spoiler: chatGPT setup spec

What would make a good distribution of town, mafia, and third party (if any) roles for a 13 player closed setup mafia game?

The optimal distribution of town, mafia, and third party roles for a 13 player closed setup Mafia game will depend on various factors such as the play style of the group, the skill level of the players, and the desired level of difficulty. Here is a possible distribution of roles for a 13 player game:

Town: 8 players (including one cop)
Mafia: 3 players
Third party: 2 players (e.g. a vigilante or serial killer)
This distribution provides a relatively balanced game, with a town majority, a substantial mafia presence, and a small third party presence to add an extra layer of complexity. The inclusion of a cop allows the town to gather information and make more informed decisions, while the third party adds an element of unpredictability that can keep both town and mafia players on their toes.

It's important to note that this is just one example of a possible role distribution, and there are many other variations that can be used to create a fun and challenging game. Additionally, it's important to remember that the role distribution is just one factor that affects the outcome of the game, and the players' individual play styles, decisions, and interactions will also play a significant role in determining the outcome.

Vigilantes are not considered third party roles as they are town aligned. They are power roles aligned with the town.

Please re-answer the question with this taken into account

My apologies for the mistake in my previous answer. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

A good distribution of town, mafia, and third party (if any) roles for a 13 player closed setup mafia game would depend on various factors such as the play style of the group, the skill level of the players, and the desired level of difficulty. Here is a possible distribution of roles for a 13 player game:

Town: 7 players (including one cop and one vigilante)
Mafia: 3 players
Third party: 3 players (e.g. a serial killer, arsonist, or cult leader)
This distribution provides a relatively balanced game, with a town majority, a substantial mafia presence, and a small third party presence to add an extra layer of complexity. The inclusion of a cop and a vigilante allows the town to gather information and take action, while the third party adds an element of unpredictability that can keep both town and mafia players on their toes.

Jeepers!

Let's hope NotMafia really did iterate the setup a bit as per rule 2. ("Balance is not guaranteed, I have attempted to make the game as balanced as possible but am limited by what Open Chat GPT can or will generate.")

Also, an important heads-up to people posting chatGPT content, it used the L-word in its answers to me until I told it not to. Something to watch out for

Set-up is 9-3-1, mafia has daytalk. Set-up was made by Open ChatGPT with prompts by me, roles have been renamed in line with mafiascum nomenclature

Do note that there

is

a third party.

What third parties, beside town and mafia, could be added to a setup?

There are various third-party roles that could be added to a Mafia setup, including:

Serial Killer - A player who tries to eliminate everyone else in the game, including both the Town and the Mafia.

Jester - A player who wins if they are eliminated by the Town during the day.

Survivor - A player who wins if they are alive at the end of the game, regardless of which team wins.

Vampire - A player who can turn other players into Vampires and eliminate them at night.

Cult Leader - A player who can convert other players to their cult and eliminate them at night.

These are just a few examples, and there are many other third-party roles that can be added to a Mafia setup to make the game more complex and interesting.

So it seems to think that the Cult is actually a cultafia, so if there is any semblance of balance I strongly doubt there can be one. Unless NM interpreted it as being a standard cult instead.
And it knows of what a Jester is...

[KittyTacky]

Meow! I remember most of this list. Novel concept BTW.

Also yeah ChatGPT is honestly mid at mafia stuff but that's the gimmick here.

[KittyTacky]

That was ChatGPT vs itself. I like how it plays a serious opening at first, then plays really bad but legal moves before going totally crazy.

Actually it was ChatGPT vs a human. Notice how white doesn't make those weird illegal moves (except at the end).

[KittyTacky]

I once played against it and it played OK but then hung its queen on move 13.

[KittyTacky]

It probably can't, but it's funny to ask it and see what it conjures up.
You can just dump the whole thread as a prompt and ask it to pass a judgment, it may need some poking to get it to say anything other than "not enough information" thou.

IMPORTANT: it has a "memory" of 4000-ish tokns (i.e words). So it will see only the last few pages at best.

[KittyTacky]

I wouldn't rely on it for this due to this.

imo a Mafia bot would require dynamic persistent memory (like AI Dungeon memory but it selects relevant parts to add to its memory to keep notes) to not be mid af.