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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:49 am

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@Blue where was your progression in flip flopping on your Delta/Black reads? Why did you suddenly reach the conclusion that it's 100% me and 0% Delta?
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:19 am

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In post 1148, BlueSnakelet wrote: For scum to win, they only have to reach Elo with one townie that will definitively vote for another.

I have been flippy-floppy on my Delta read, and was, by your admission, hard to read. There was no guarantee that I would retain my scumread in the moment it matters.
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So going back to the start of D3, it wouldn't make sense for me to change my tune from Delta!scum to Blue!scum if I were actually scum. The play would've been to keep my mala/Delta stance and let you continue to TR me/sus Delta. Then I could take you two to this situation and we would vote Delta ez pz

Why would I purposefully choose the harder path to victory if I'm scum?
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:34 am

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In post 895, BlueSnakelet wrote: Mala's partner should be in Delta, chao, Kame
Yeah. There's just no way town!Blue carried this opinion all the way to D3 and then suddenly drops the possibility of it being Delta in 3p ELO. That never, ever comes from town!Blue here
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:59 am

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In post 1151, Black wrote:
In post 1148, BlueSnakelet wrote: For scum to win, they only have to reach Elo with one townie that will definitively vote for another.

I have been flippy-floppy on my Delta read, and was, by your admission, hard to read. There was no guarantee that I would retain my scumread in the moment it matters.
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So going back to the start of D3, it wouldn't make sense for me to change my tune from Delta!scum to Blue!scum if I were actually scum. The play would've been to keep my mala/Delta stance and let you continue to TR me/sus Delta. Then I could take you two to this situation and we would vote Delta ez pz

Why would I purposefully choose the harder path to victory if I'm scum?
Harder path? Anyone reading the game can see that Delta voting me is more likely than me voting Delta. Are you saying that Scum!Black would not try to capitalize on Delta's deathtunnel?

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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:04 am

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In post 1153, BlueSnakelet wrote: Harder path? Anyone reading the game can see that Delta voting me is more likely than me voting Delta.
This was
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:15 am

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In post 1154, Black wrote:
In post 1153, BlueSnakelet wrote: Harder path? Anyone reading the game can see that Delta voting me is more likely than me voting Delta.
This was
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I admit my progression doesn't make sense. I was an unreadable black box (pun not intended) and you could not trust me to not change my mind at the last moment.

Delta was really transparent about his distrust for me the whole way. He even solved for BlueXMala even before Mala was declared obviously scum.

For you, supporting Delta and eliminating me is more likery to work than the other way around.
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:21 am

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In post 1155, BlueSnakelet wrote: For you, supporting Delta and eliminating me is more likery to work than the other way around.
I strongly disagree here. In a scenario where I'm scum and you're both town, I side with the person that TRs me and SRs the other guy. That's you Blue. It doesn't make sense for me to try to side with Delta, the person that has scumread me for a lot of this game, and trust that he will choose me over you. That's a lot more work

Also you never answered me. Why did you come into this situation thinking there's a 0% chance it could be Delta? That should be the main proof for Delta here that you're scum tbh
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:24 am

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Town!Blue approaches P3 ELO very differently imo. He weighs the options between Delta and I and carefully considers who mala's buddy is

Scum!Blue does exactly what you did though: vote immediately to set up a 1v1 for Delta to sift through
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:45 am

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I've read through, had a think and just have to go with my gut.

My gut says Blue.

VOTE: Blue

GG whichever way the flip goes.

Pre-emptive 'Fuck Off' if it's Black.
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:45 am

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Fairly sure this is it though
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:47 am

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We win Delta
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:48 am

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Fuck yes!!!
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:48 am

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I could kiss you right now for making the right decision here
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:50 am

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Welp, it was woth a shot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:52 am

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Nice try Blue!

I'm pretty happy with this win. I stumbled on it being mala by incorrectly pairing her with Delta, which eventually led me to Blue

I could've lost this game for the town if I didn't get out of my tunnel

And Andante could have lost this game for the town just by being so damn suspicious of me lol
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:56 am

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I'm updating my sig before furtive even confirms it lol
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:58 am

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Fucken YES lets go

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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:00 am

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Well played Delta. Sorry for SRing you for like half the game -_-
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:06 am

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Tbf I played pretty badly

Was convinced you and Andante were Masons when I stopped SR'ing you and then never really restarted after the claim haha
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:11 am

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Well if you had started to SR me again then town probably loses, so I'd say you played it pretty well, even if it was on accident lol
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:12 am

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Oh I did SR you towards the end of D3 to be fair because I knew less and less who to trust but I figured just stick with my gut and commit.

I will say that poor activity kind of killed the game for me for a while
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:14 am

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Like someone explain it to me real clear that isn't committed to lying like Venmar. Someone please.
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:14 am

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In post 1164, Black wrote: And Andante could have lost this game for the town just by being so damn suspicious of me lol
I'll just take this as a sign that I did at least something right.
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:17 am

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In post 1172, BlueSnakelet wrote:
In post 1164, Black wrote: And Andante could have lost this game for the town just by being so damn suspicious of me lol
I'll just take this as a sign that I did at least something right.
I think you played pretty well tbh. The only thing I would've done different was try to solve more on D3 and D4. Especially D4. If you had come into this situation trying to solve and figure out it's me or Delta I don't think this ELO would've been so easy
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:18 am

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The fact that you came into it voting for me after SRing Delta for most of the game was the nail in your coffin I think
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