TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Bowser's Castle (Mafia Chat)

[HighPrincessErinys]

Told ya, problem in the making.

[Cerberus v666]

Good post. Probably no benefit to engaging directly further with wgeurts or anyone who suspects you - wgeurts is the only one on the wagon so far who I would expect to be dogged enough+charismatic enough to bring others around, so time to be less focused on survival so he has no behaviors to attack that he hasn't already.

[HighPrincessErinys]

that should hopefully be the end of engaging with wgeurts for a while, and hopefully not be an overextension

[HighPrincessErinys]

turning this around into a wgeurts wagon would be AMAZING but this one is going to leave it unless prompted for now

[Cerberus v666]

Okay, so the two(well, probably not one, but definitely one of my strongest points) thinsg I will unapologetically claim to be extremely good at in mafia are gauging thread sentiment, and *not* getting eliminated. So, please, listen to me:

You are not in danger of being limmed right now if you start actively scumhunting and engaging with the thread productively yourself, and *stop* focusing on defending yourself. You absolutely should not just DROP the scumread on wgeurts out of nowhere, it should happen organically over time, but by immediately jumping on/reacting to every vote on you, and not every vote on everyone, as well as omgus'ing wgeurts, you've displayed a high degree of survivalism, which is extremely scummy.

To get the scum off you, you need to develop opinions and support them with good reasons. If you would like any help on how to get some reads out there without pushing people over the edge of voting for you, I am here, and your teammates probably are too. I would recommend workshopping any posts you have where you're expressing a strong opinion on anyone here.

If you'd like to know why I don't think you even need to worry about actually defending yourself:

Adorable (Average ™ Enjoyers) - not going to vote you, suspects wgeurts
Cat Scratch Fever (Good in Plaid) Disliked your early play, and dislikes your omgus.
Cerberus v666 (We Don’t Mafia) - doesn't vote(this isn't a because your my scummate thing, btw, this is a well known meta thing), don't need to worry about
Fate (Ancient Guard) - might tunnel, probably just threw the vote on to pressure since you had the most votes. may or may not stay.
HighPrincessErinys Whimsical Activities) - it's you!
Jingle (Jingle Ballers) - not going to vote you, suspects wgeurts
Petapan (Polymewl) - voting you but doesn't want to be - easily swayed to a wgeurts wagon, but more importantly likely to be easily pulled off
Porkens (Pork Eaters) - not going to vote you, suspects wgeurts - did express prior agreement with the sentiment tha tyou appeared to just be posting to be posting, so might be brought back on if you keep air.
Radical Rat (Klickin’ Chickens) - Doesn't believe in wgeurts wall, not going to vote you.
Wgeurts (Crispy Cream Puffs) - wagon driver, give them what they want in terms of town behaviors in a non-pandering fashion, and they'll go away - and nobody else cares enough to make it stick.

So. Basically the only thing anyone has said about reasons to suspect you is because your initial play presented as (forgive me for the insult inherent in the descriptor) newb!scum behavior - making posts to just appear to be active in the game, without actually seeming to accomplish anything. You're not particularly townread by the people who aren't voting you currently, but all you need to be is neutral.

TL;DR: You are not in danger if you do the following, in this order:

1) answer the questions of the people who are questioning you in a reasonable, non-defensive way. Do so in a systematic way, do not leave anyone unresponded to.
2) Get your own analysis and thoughts out there ahead of people feeling they have to vote you to force you to engage and answer.
3) Continue playing and engaging at the rate you've been doing it, but do not make any more fluff posts - ask a question, answer a question, have an opinion. It is okay if that opinion is opposed to me, btw, because you can safely use me as a target without worrying about me defensively voting you out of annoyance - just be aware that doing so can make whoever flips second's life harder.

[Cerberus v666]

Hmm, rat's support of your meta is quite helpful actually. still need to answer the question and avoid fluff for the moment(give wgeurts the reward they want for the pressure they're putting you under) but you might be safe to do that alone and weigh options from there.

[HighPrincessErinys]

was at the store, hoo boy

[HighPrincessErinys]

would like a quick post review before this one makes any blunders:

I'll be honest I don't really remember your play from the xyzzy game but I can take a look later.

But by your own reasoning, shouldn't you be voting for me then since you had higher expectations from me in a sense?

A little, but this one doesn't know about outright VOTING you for that when it has genuine reason to believe in a scum motivation by wgeurts.

Lockscum

kids these days


doesn't nearly have a good a ring as confscum

Now.

For those questioning me, shhhhh, all in due time

That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.

HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.

I'm not a huge fan of this post. I think evaluating people's reasons for voting itself can be a valid form of scumhunting in of itself. As for "who it thinks we should be voting instead", its vote was already on you anyway

They're giving me a whole bunch of waffle. Jingle comes in and says he's a bit suspicious of Porken's, suddenly HPE is questioning Porken's too and walks back their vote on me a little. Note that Porkens is voting with HPE. If HPE is a passive player, I want to shove them off the fence and get them to take hard stances. If they're not used to that, making them squirm will in the short term and long term be telling enough.

This one is suspect of Porkens independent of Jingle's post because he's just not done a whole lot all game other than suddenly buddy up and vote with me, but that could just be "hey, I believe you", but he's still not given many posts of substance either way. And you explaining your reasoning more in-depth for why you're voting me, i.e. 227, does give me town vibes, even if as this one said to CSF that it has reason to believe still you have a scum motive behind things. What are

your

thoughts on Porkens the other other no-substancer, since you're currently under the impression that Adorable is currently within their townrange?

[HighPrincessErinys]

ah fuck it cant expect you to babysit me. we ball

[HighPrincessErinys]

my fate vote is risky but if wgeurts goes "ayo?" this one can just say "you're still a scumlean i just want this guy to talk" and then start throwing questions at fate in the same post if possible

[Cerberus v666]

Sorry! I was actively in the thread and reading shit and responding and not checking in on this. And yep, I'm fine with that approach, if you think there's actually something to talk to fate about.

[Cerberus v666]

I am seeing a little inconsistency in your presentation to the thread with regards to how your vote is being used. In that last post you're both telling CSF that even though you suspect them a bit, it's not good enough to vote them, so you're saying that you scumread wgeurts enough to vote them.

Which doesn't mesh well with you then moving your single vote on to Fate to pressure them to engage with you, since that then implies fate is a stronger scumread than wgeurts is and you're okay with reducing the pressure on wgeurts.

[Cerberus v666]

Although I do suppose you DO say that you're getting town vibes from their recent activities, so okay. Consistent enough I think.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pushing the letter on a wgeurts wagon is risky, so staying alive is top priority and a lim on them is bonus.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Staying alive by NOT being survivalistic, as you said.

[Cerberus v666]

*nods* Today is looking good I think. Barring the double vote ending up in the hands of someone who wants to go after you, you're good.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Currently the doublevote is tied between Porkens and Adorable so there's a chance it just won't go to anyone.

[Cerberus v666]

It's worth noting, because if ALL someone is doing is replying to the thread when they're brought up, it likely means they're not interested in solving the game and instead more interested in managing how people see them.

Well it's still waiting on Fate (or Porkens) to do anything. Might have to consider getting back on wgeurts though because it'd probably take an actual proper wagon to get either of them to start talking and no one seems altogether too interested at the moment.

Be careful with this. If you go back get convinced to go there by someone, don't just do it, or obly do it after pressure is off you. Pushing to get a wagon on fate or pockets to force them to participate reads as more town than just hopping back onto your current counterwagon.

[Cerberus v666]

And with the Petapan unvote, the wagon likely dies, unless wgeurts decides they're your partner.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It SHOULD be about donezo with that.

[Cerberus v666]

Mhm. I will freely admit, btw, that my decision to be belligerent about giving reads lists in a game this small may very well be a problem today. We shall see. It's 100% in line with my meta, but enough of the game doesn't know me that they might be annoyed.

[HighPrincessErinys]

yeah that's mostly why this one was SO in wagon range LMAO

[HighPrincessErinys]

just, people dont know the meta, so its hard to play off it. at the very least it seems to be working now that CSF and RR have made the conclusion "oh that's HPE's townrange" but also like, after this game the meta well is poisoned a little even if it has a consistent playstyle between town and scum, so thats sad

[HighPrincessErinys]

yeah thats a dead wagon

[HighPrincessErinys]

hoping for like, maybe a N2 jingle kill maybe before they get TOO towny and solvy