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[JacksonVirgo]

ego

[JacksonVirgo]

disproving the greeting the game tell

ooh what a fun idea
ok everyone instead of voting randomly i will now commence a sitewide study to test the hypothesis that not voting in your first post is scummy (the best operationalization of the greeting tell i can do atm)
it'll be a lot of work but i can't think of a single reason to think it's not the best possible use of my free time
please stand by for a complete outline of the methodology

VOTE: furtiveglance though bc i did another study a while ago and confirmed that expressing fun ideas in mafia games is scummy

Not voting in my first post go brr

[JacksonVirgo]

Was going to RVS BBmolla- do you remember me? I recall you back in the day lol

But

Holy fuck Psyche. That’s too much lol.

VOTE: Psyche

VOTE: Klazam

Nope, not happening. At the

very

least, explain your own process on him. Not hide behind Temporal or whatever their name is.

[JacksonVirgo]

okay I'll have to post my logic for the flavor leaf townread:

premise one: self-voting is anti-town
premise B: Flavor Leaf self-voted early Day 1
premise triangle: scum would not want to make risky plays early Day 1
conclusion: Flavor Leaf town

pedit: your self-vote and self-scumcase gambit

Self-voting is hardly risky.

[JacksonVirgo]

Especially given it was as a joke

[JacksonVirgo]

oh i got ninjad WITH people talking abour it lol

LMFAO what are the chances

[JacksonVirgo]

okay I'll have to post my logic for the flavor leaf townread:

premise one: self-voting is anti-town
premise B: Flavor Leaf self-voted early Day 1
premise triangle: scum would not want to make risky plays early Day 1
conclusion: Flavor Leaf town

pedit: your self-vote and self-scumcase gambit

Self-voting is hardly risky.

Back to this though. Knowing Flavor, this isn't even remotely a risky play and definitely not something unlike them. That's giving a TR for less than nothing.

[JacksonVirgo]

are you saying my townread on flavor leaf is a tone read?

Is that what I said?

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't seem to place my finger on it but Temporal's entire demeanour feels fake and unnatural and like they're already out of touch with the game. Which is not what I would expect this soon from game-start

[JacksonVirgo]

are you saying my townread on flavor leaf is a tone read?

Is that what I said?

no, but you said my townread was less than nothing

I did not. I said that specific reason was less than nothing. I said nothing about your read as a whole.

[JacksonVirgo]

okay but that's my entire reason for townreading flavor leaf

Then you should reassess that read as it's entire core is based in nothing. As is literally just as good as saying a random person is town because you decided it one day.

[JacksonVirgo]

if you ignore flavor leaf being too scummy to be scum, flavor leaf should be scumread for openwolfing

He isn't TSTBS and he isn't openwolfing. Where have you come to these conclusions?

[JacksonVirgo]

flavor leaf's entire ISO is fluff and trying to self scumcase

I actually can't sort flavor leaf but I am leaning town because self scumcasing is incoherency

Alright, we can go from there.
Why do you think fluff is in TSTBS/Openwolf territory?

[JacksonVirgo]

fluff is NAI

To a certain extent, sure. So that particular read on them is due to the self-casing. Yes?
Why is that scummy to the extent that they're either openwolfing or they're twtbw

[JacksonVirgo]

I apologize for attempting a snuck premise btw, I wanted to gauge if your thought pattern was genuine.

[JacksonVirgo]

that plus the self-vote indicates too wolfy to be wolf territory

without the self-vote I'd be inclined to think flavor leaf is just trying to confruse the town and that is what openwolfing is meant to do

Quickly scanning their ISO I don't even remotely see how they'd be close to just scummy, let alone TWTBW.

Bbmolla probably right

VOTE: Flavor

This vote reads entirely as a joke. I do not get a single ounce of sincerity here, so in order for me to understand you'll need to quote exactly what makes their posts TWTBW.
And by your words you seem to think that this vote in particular is what makes you TR them over SRing them? You say that openwolves want to confuse the Town, is that not also what they'd be doing with a self vote? Why does that make you think it's TWTBW over openwolf?

[JacksonVirgo]

what makes you think a self-vote made as a joke isn't a self-vote

I'm not saying it isn't, obviously it is

[JacksonVirgo]

but yeah that self-vote only tells me Flavor Leaf is playing some kind of 4D Normal Mafia with Time Travel gambit... which is not something I think scum would do

You're assuming they're always playing with reason in mind.
Is it not just easier, and more infinitely more likely, to believe that they're just messing around because the game just started?

[JacksonVirgo]

You're assuming they're always playing with reason in mind.
Is it not just easier, and more infinitely more likely, to believe that they're just messing around because the game just started?

and that is why I am inclined to not scumread flavor leaf

And you're welcome to have whatever read you want on them. Like I don't have a read on FL at all yet, but you town-read them based on convoluted TWTBW logic that has no real logical base. And now you appear to be trying to tell me you just don't SR them, which I already knew and is not really what you were saying earlier. You were initially saying you town-read them based on specific logic that I deemed to be wrong but TRing and not scum-reading someone are very different.

[JacksonVirgo]

I do townread Flavor Leaf though, with the self-vote being the main impetus for a Flavor Leaf townread (I doubt scum would self-vote early Day 1)

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I must be Town too.

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum in my experience are

more

likely to self-vote than Town, Town primarily want to find wolves. Scum doesn't and they're more playing for self-image and control. Attempting to appear less self-preservistic with a self-vote is not unheard of at all and earlier in the game is the least risky time to do so.

I don't follow your logic, at all. In fact I believe it's going the entirely wrong route.

[JacksonVirgo]

you know what I'm not gonna dispute that

well played

Haha was proud of that one

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum in my experience are

more

likely to self-vote than Town, Town primarily want to find wolves. Scum doesn't and they're more playing for self-image and control. Attempting to appear less self-preservistic with a self-vote is not unheard of at all and earlier in the game is the least risky time to do so.

I don't follow your logic, at all. In fact I believe it's going the entirely wrong route.

you know this game is confirmed multiball right?

I don't see how that matters, outside of maybe countering the "Town primarily want to find wolves" part. Which sure, but that's Town. Scum

still

play for more self-image and control than Town would so this all still stands.

[JacksonVirgo]

scum need to scumhunt in a multiball

Where did I say they don't. You're strawmanning me rn.

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum needing to scum-hunt never takes from the fact that a strong part of what they need to do is focusing on self-image and control. Which was the main point I was making

[JacksonVirgo]

self-preservation is still more likely to be scum than town, however a self-vote shows a glaring

lack

of self-preservation if anything

No it doesn't. That's what I'm saying.

Game-start is the

least

risky time to self-vote. And it's more likely that this type of play (if done for a reason) comes from scum who is focused on self-image and

they want to appear less self-preservistic

. Meaning voting themselves in a low-risk point in the game gets the best of both worlds. It doesn't ultimately but that's the general idea behind why I've seen it come from scum much more than from Town, who would not have the self-image/control in their agenda as much.

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't really want to discuss this any further, it's meaningless at the end of the day. I just want you to be able to think logically and your logic is actually backwards to me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah cuz finding scum is always a shot in the dark, thanks for reminding me. How could I be so foolish omg omg fr fr

[JacksonVirgo]

They're all individual tools.

[JacksonVirgo]

New page owo

[JacksonVirgo]

I was hoping std could be my spicy first townread but he's my spicy second townread

Back from vla but still picking up the pieces for a bit so I won't be my present overbearing self for a few more days but I'm here !!!

Who's your spicy first townread?

[JacksonVirgo]

hi jv been a bit missed u

It's been too long :)

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't really want to discuss this any further, it's meaningless at the end of the day. I just want you to be able to think logically and your logic is actually backwards to me.

I don't think I can tell what your thoughts are about Lich after your exchange. I get that you didn't like their reasoning, but did you think it was town reasoning or scum reasoning after talking about it?

They're about a scum-lean, so I find it interesting ducky has them as a town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Temporal is right for the wrong reasons on me being town :lol:

Idk about right but definitely wrong reasons lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

If Bbmolla is scum, they were able to successfully mist themself.

Zzzx feels a bit jokey with it, which I think is leak town.

Klazam, idk. Probably town?

The self vote is a way of shining an aura of arrogance

I have a gut scum ping on Hu Tao, but it’s too early to push them

I also don’t get pockety vibes with Merlyn towards me, and I feel the two of us have a decent rapport to be able to read each other accurately after Pokemon and that other game that shall not be named where I got pocketed by Merlyn.

okay I think flavor leaf is town as I missed these reads

Ok. What makes those town

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum in my experience are

more

likely to self-vote than Town, Town primarily want to find wolves. Scum doesn't and they're more playing for self-image and control. Attempting to appear less self-preservistic with a self-vote is not unheard of at all and earlier in the game is the least risky time to do so.

I don't follow your logic, at all. In fact I believe it's going the entirely wrong route.

I’ve self voted like thrice as scum and like 15 times as town, so idk if i think this is true

Specific reads can be wrong about specific people and still be correct as a whole. I don't really remember how you play outside you're one of the more jokish-types

[JacksonVirgo]

they are reads that aren't planned posts

I got no idea what this means, can you rephrase

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, as much as I love being the center of attention, may be time to stop obsessing over me

But you're super cute, how could we not?

[JacksonVirgo]

they are reads that aren't planned posts

I got no idea what this means, can you rephrase

they are thoughtstreamed reads that are not fake reads

How can you possibly make that judgement on those. Delve further

VOTE: Temporarl

[JacksonVirgo]

Because your logic this entire game has been lacklustre at best, and when I ask for more. You avoid or give the smallest amount of clarification, as if you don't got anything so you just pull whatever you can think of in the moment.

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, as much as I love being the center of attention, may be time to stop obsessing over me

But you're super cute, how could we not?

Pocketing, a trick that probably will work on me

If you accept the pocket, I promise to keep flattering you.

[JacksonVirgo]

No, I think you're wolf. I don't care about pressure, you already failed at responding what I was asking you when I was giving you the light of day to explain yourself. But even if I was doing this primarily to put pressure on you, why is backing out ever the solution?

[JacksonVirgo]

Backing out is the fast track route to making sure my read on you remains the same and if you're Town, you don't want that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Unfortunate response, but alright.

[JacksonVirgo]

That's quite the statement to make immediately after you say you wouldn't delve further lmao but I'll hear you out.

What makes what I'm doing a tunnel? What makes it scummy?

[JacksonVirgo]

That's quite the statement to make immediately after you say you wouldn't delve further lmao but I'll hear you out.

What makes what I'm doing a tunnel? What makes it scummy?

Like I said, I will not elaborate further

Why? That's so frustrating how I'm giving you chance to get on the same page with me but refuse it

[JacksonVirgo]

Temp. Please, if you refuse to elaborate on anything and then throw out random accusations, nobody is going to listen to you or even hear you out.

[JacksonVirgo]

If Temp is scum, it’s probably not with BBm.

Temp is looking like the type that wants to stay on good terms everywhere, which in a Multiball games, looks like scum trying to avoid being night killed.

I agree that they're probably not aligned

[JacksonVirgo]

If Temp is scum, it’s probably not with BBm.

Temp is looking like the type that wants to stay on good terms everywhere, which in a Multiball games, looks like scum trying to avoid being night killed.

Although, wouldn't being on good terms universally be more reason to not get NK'd rather than them wanting to get on bad terms, but not bad enough to get elimmed?

[JacksonVirgo]

Or did I misread what you said

[JacksonVirgo]

yeah I'm unable to thoughtstream well due to the pressure affecting me

call that a scumclaim all you want but it is how I feel

pedit: my scumread is based on you trying to pressure me, that's my only reason

Why is applying pressure a scummy thing?

[JacksonVirgo]

well you're gonna get a lump of coal

Well, we need lumps of coal to power this beastly scum huntin' machine.

[JacksonVirgo]

If Temp is scum, it’s probably not with BBm.

Temp is looking like the type that wants to stay on good terms everywhere, which in a Multiball games, looks like scum trying to avoid being night killed.

Although, wouldn't being on good terms universally be more reason to not get NK'd rather than them wanting to get on bad terms, but not bad enough to get elimmed?

Good terms, but not super threat. They weren’t making many pushes, but they were defending, which feels like hyper positioning. Also, i don’t really think they believe their own reasons, they just think they’re ‘solid reasons’. Does this make sense?

It does make sense, and that's the conclusion I've come to as well (not the hyper-positioning part) and wanted to see what their intent was but they're deciding to freeze under pressure

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm freezing under pressure as that is my best move in this position

Freezing under pressure

keeps

focus on you. Do you want this pressure?

[JacksonVirgo]

TL is town

Agreed, it's incredibly clear to me

[JacksonVirgo]

i dont think we got anything from temporal being under pressure

I believe we got a lot but I'm waiting

[JacksonVirgo]

FL and I have the same brain, love that for us

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s not finished yet, though, and I kinda like that Snivy pop in.

I don't really see how you can like that particularly

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna go out for the day. If you want me for anything, don't.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm an Informed role and I was told that we have a 2-shot bulletproof serial killer

[JacksonVirgo]

I CLAIM Night 2 Macho Night 3 Bulletproof Odd Night Novice Ascetic Loyal Non-Consecutive Night Rolestopper JOAT(Cop, Lazy Bloodhound, Activated Miller, Combined Visionary Loyal Rolestopper) AINT NOBODY MESSING WITH ME!

Sounds like a role I'd make for a setup genuinely. If ducky remembers my setup ideas he can back that up ahaha

[JacksonVirgo]

Also. Temporal is Town.
Them being this concerned about apperances and also outwardly telling me that they misrepresented me seemed Townie.
They are also consistent in their refusal to speak when pressured, especially when two very vocal players were gunning on them.

They can be scum sure, but they seem townie to me at the moment.

I just wish they were more vocal about their reads when under pressure, would make this so much more confident

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay so that person was temporal, at first I was alright with their posts, then after that exchange with the other person (j something) posts just became weird. Don’t think this slot is necessarily scum though.

I don’t usually do larges, so large veteran advice- how the fuck do you keep up in general? That was a lot of pages.

Pedit: ah jacksonvirgo

Also for some reason Camel’s joke got a scumping for me, but I’m not going into that right now.

Goddamnit stop posting

You must call me j something forever. Thank you

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s possible I was town reading them cuz they were defending me.

Also this is Town as fuck, just thought I'd say that now before I head out

[JacksonVirgo]

The psyche vote was RVS, then decided to sheep BB because of all the nongame posts from flavor. Thought might see where that went, the subsequent sheep posters is interesting.

Nope, you explicitly led on that you found reason in the wagon. You just throwing all that out and saying it's RVS?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I think Temporal is definitely faking their logic in the moment

[JacksonVirgo]

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

[JacksonVirgo]

Was going to RVS BBmolla- do you remember me? I recall you back in the day lol

But

Holy fuck Psyche. That’s too much lol.

VOTE: Psyche

What makes seriousness in RVS give this reaction? What's so bad about it to begin with?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I think Temporal is definitely faking their logic in the moment

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

Same page.

My issue is if I believe there’s genuine malice in their actions doing so or not.

It’s why I struggled with the town read on theme and wanted their games to see if their tone is townie as scum.

I don't sense any malice at all, in fact all the fabricated logic was actually to town-read people (you).

[JacksonVirgo]

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

i don't really buy that faking logic is a scumtell tbh scum are generally motivated to fake everything *except* logic

i'm not really convinced i'm right on townpura but that's a read i don't really think i care to reevaluate on d1

Neither do I, especially when they said this (quoted below)

why is there no "I'm town and am pretending to be frustrated" quantum state?

It could be that they saw this as an out, but eh

[JacksonVirgo]

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

i don't really buy that faking logic is a scumtell tbh scum are generally motivated to fake everything *except* logic

i'm not really convinced i'm right on townpura but that's a read i don't really think i care to reevaluate on d1

So you’re happy just to ignore it.

Interesting.

Not bad. Just interesting enough to note.

sure, note away

i haven't checked your iso lately where are you at on tl, jv and dragons?

He thinks I'm scummy af

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I think Temporal is definitely faking their logic in the moment

Which really has me conflicted ngl. As tonally they seem town but their content is telling me they're fake

Same page.

My issue is if I believe there’s genuine malice in their actions doing so or not.

It’s why I struggled with the town read on theme and wanted their games to see if their tone is townie as scum.

I don't sense any malice at all, in fact all the fabricated logic was actually to town-read people (you).

Malice probably was the wrong term. Scum motivated was more what I meant, and I do see scum motivation in the posts.

The tone of temporal is very townie, though, and I don’t necessarily think that’s something they could fake very well, although not impossible.

Idk. Their logic isn’t good, but it helps protect their positioning? I wanna say it looks more like silly town, but i also don’t want to underestimate TL. I can’t say I’ve played with them a lot, but they were in my last BooneyToonz game.

The only scum motivation I can feel from that is what you said earlier, with trying to not get NK'd by the other team. But nothing that I'd want pushed rn, I think they're just Town until further notice.

[JacksonVirgo]

Abbreviating both fl and tl gets me confused

[JacksonVirgo]

what's wrong with appreviating flampura lich and tempor leaf?

This makes my brain sad

[JacksonVirgo]

Because your logic this entire game has been lacklustre at best, and when I ask for more. You avoid or give the smallest amount of clarification, as if you don't got anything so you just pull whatever you can think of in the moment.

hey did you really think TL was scum/scummy at this post?

I did

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

can someone explain why this post was made

Can someone explain why

this

post was made?

[JacksonVirgo]

i'm inclined not to believe you. but the later posts in your iso do look good. oh well.

Excuse me?

[JacksonVirgo]

The justification for the TL vote struck me as disingenuous. A potential explanation was that you were insincere but wanted to apply pressure to aid sorting. However, your reply to my question ruled out this explanation. This does correspondingly mean I find the post even more scummy than if had replied a different way. Nonetheless, you have made other posts since then that strike me the other way. So I'm not ready to stake out a position on you yet.

You should have asked a better question. I did think they were scum, and I also wanted to apply pressure to sort them further. The two are not mutually exclusive

[JacksonVirgo]

I also believe this argument of yours to be disingenuous and malicious. You give me a low bar "did you think they were scummy", which clearly I did as I directly called them a wolf at that point. I answer your question, and then you decide to call

me

disingenuous? Even if I had a weak scum-lean on them, I'd say yes to you and you'd pull this on me. That feels like you laid out a trap on me rather than actually genuinely wanting more information on my thought process

[JacksonVirgo]

Klazam also doesn't specifically warrant a vote anymore, I feel they were just very easy to scum-read given that post and then with them dipping but rn they seem fine for now

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure I'm a fan of ducky, but I'll have to wait for them to post more. I don't really have much of them to go off and I know them to be a good player, but thought it worth noting now

[JacksonVirgo]

The justification for the TL vote struck me as disingenuous. A potential explanation was that you were insincere but wanted to apply pressure to aid sorting. However, your reply to my question ruled out this explanation. This does correspondingly mean I find the post even more scummy than if had replied a different way. Nonetheless, you have made other posts since then that strike me the other way. So I'm not ready to stake out a position on you yet.

Actually, I wanna prod this a little bit more.
What posts of mine strike you the other way?

[JacksonVirgo]

Mainly to see if you're pulling it out of your ass to take a jab at me without needing to bear the weight of doing so.

[JacksonVirgo]

humm i figured i'd be asked to enumerate the more townie posts but this reaction is a bit more high-powered than i imagined. i say you did a suspicious thing that doesn't really even make me scumlean you, but it's as if i insulted your mother.

Can you for one moment, not attempt to discredit me and do what I asked of you. Thanks brother

[JacksonVirgo]

Also it's less high-powered and more that's just the way I speak, seems more aggressive than it probably should be.

[JacksonVirgo]

The justification for the TL vote struck me as disingenuous. A potential explanation was that you were insincere but wanted to apply pressure to aid sorting. However, your reply to my question ruled out this explanation. This does correspondingly mean I find the post even more scummy than if had replied a different way. Nonetheless, you have made other posts since then that strike me the other way. So I'm not ready to stake out a position on you yet.

You should have asked a better question. I did think they were scum, and I also wanted to apply pressure to sort them further. The two are not mutually exclusive

I don't think the fact that these two aren't mutually exclusive really changes the calculus all that much. but i guess the more precise question would have been "when you made this post, did you really believe these were good reasons to scumread TL?" But it's hard to imagine a world where you reply yes to my original simpler question but would reply no to this one or vice versa.

Since you were asking that to see if my logic was to solve them. You should ask a question that asks if I was still trying to solve them. Not if I thought they were scummy, that does not even start to get the answers you were looking for.

[JacksonVirgo]

okay I think Psyche is still scum

VOTE: Psyche

Care to elaborate further? I've been avoiding stating a suspicion for them just in case I'm just salty at him using really shitty logic against me

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey mum, look I got a pagetop. Proud of me?

[JacksonVirgo]

I really really do not like 491 and think it shows a scum mindset

pedit: still think Psyche is playing the game very seriously I think

Yeah alright, I understand you see that. Can you explain why you think it shows a scum mindset.
I can't do much with you just saying things

[JacksonVirgo]

I really really do not like 491 and think it shows a scum mindset

pedit: still think Psyche is playing the game very seriously I think

Would you mind, good Sir, breaking it down a little more so we can understand your exact reasoning on this?

I'm not sold on being seriousing meaning being Scum. By that logic if he becomes sarcastic that must mean he's now Town?

I already asked this smh, get out of my brain good sir. There's only supposed to be metal and kpop banging around up there, not you too .

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah alright, I understand you see that. Can you explain why you think it shows a scum mindset.
I can't do much with you just saying things

that post just reads as hostile to me

and hostility is anti-town

It's definitely hostile in nature, I called out that it's a discredit in the very next post so I agree with you. But I'm not entirely convinced it's scummy, I've gotta take a breather first as I feel I'm a little biased.

[JacksonVirgo]

Furtive. You pop in with some bangers but what's your current stance as a whole.

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean, shit, I'm feeling kind of hostile myself but that doesn't mean I'm Scum.

Maybe I'm just hungry.

Yeah fuck you. You're not allowed to be hostile!! Only me!!

[JacksonVirgo]

I quite like FL and RN right now. I feel out of everybody they both seem to be very pro-town in the sense that their demeanors is that to calm and push the town in the right direction as opposed to creating chaos. Which ofc can always be scum, but that's for everything. I think they're good for now with pretty high confidence.

[JacksonVirgo]

The justification for the TL vote struck me as disingenuous. A potential explanation was that you were insincere but wanted to apply pressure to aid sorting. However, your reply to my question ruled out this explanation. This does correspondingly mean I find the post even more scummy than if had replied a different way. Nonetheless, you have made other posts since then that strike me the other way. So I'm not ready to stake out a position on you yet.

You should have asked a better question. I did think they were scum, and I also wanted to apply pressure to sort them further. The two are not mutually exclusive

I don't think the fact that these two aren't mutually exclusive really changes the calculus all that much. but i guess the more precise question would have been "when you made this post, did you really believe these were good reasons to scumread TL?" But it's hard to imagine a world where you reply yes to my original simpler question but would reply no to this one or vice versa.

Since you were asking that to see if my logic was to solve them. You should ask a question that asks if I was still trying to solve them. Not if I thought they were scummy, that does not even start to get the answers you were looking for.

No, I don't think you understand the point of the question. Interesting try though.

Once again attempting to create discord. Explain yourself better if you honestly believe this. There is no way asking if I thought they were scummy would get information on whether or not I was saying what I was saying to solve them. As both can be true at the same time, therefore a "yes" gives you absolutely no information one way or the other. You honestly seem to be attempting a trap on me, or you're foolish enough to not realise your error in that question. Or other options but those are the most likely

[JacksonVirgo]

agh there's a lot i want to reply to in jackson's multipost but now there are a lot of other posts i need to hurry along

You keep repeatedly attacking my character without doing anything, how about you stop. And actually case me if you want to case me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Furtive. You pop in with some bangers but what's your current stance as a whole.

I'll be honest I kinda just ctrl+F'd my own name instead of reading up fully

What's the raging debate now?

I'd rather not spoonfeed you, I'd prefer if you read on your own

[JacksonVirgo]

Pagetop?

[JacksonVirgo]

Nice

[JacksonVirgo]

wow you sure know a lot about tells

Actually no, it's a common trope with Psyche just attacking peoples character than any arguments

[JacksonVirgo]

I do think Shrek is townie, but putting him that high is a huge stretch in my eyes

[JacksonVirgo]

Psyche, also if you are Town. Talk with me, don't get all angy and fight with me cuz that'll get us nowhere.

[JacksonVirgo]

Klazams opening was not

that

bad in retrospect.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm slightly hesitant to place Klazam at top read as Klazam has been top scumread at one point

I don't think Klazam deserves anywhere near the top spot either. I'm not really sure how you got the two of them that high at all

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm thinking furtive/psyche/camel contains at least one wolf.

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, temp you have me high cuz I'm good at pushing? What do you mean by that?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah that's fine, thank you. Wasn't sure if you meant just me pushign people, which I would have thought weird to TR someone for. But that's good

[JacksonVirgo]

Which spots don't you like RN

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright thank you for clarifying that. I still personally feel you didn't do it in a way that captures my true thought process but it doesn't ultimately matter.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was testing them and I did scum-read them. There's a reason I said to "wait" when I was referring to camels (I think it was camel) pop-in stating their 2 worlds for TL

[JacksonVirgo]

wow you sure know a lot about tells

Actually no, it's a common trope with Psyche just attacking peoples character than any arguments

character..?

Character, image etc. Same thing. You seem to be attacking that a lot rather than making arguments against people.

[JacksonVirgo]

434 443 457

173

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure what you see in 443

[JacksonVirgo]

Things like me saying your reaction to a post was unexpectedly hot or pointing out another player's fixation on "tells" are intended as observations rather than personal attacks. I think this stuff has some potential of informing reads down the line -- even if just in those moments where we have to decide if someone typed something a certain way because they have a scum win condition or just because of the kind of person they are.

You've worded them like shade/discredits rather than pointing something out. Please be more clear that you're calling out scummy logic, and why because just randomly accusing something in the way you have been reads to me as manipulative.

[JacksonVirgo]

how to

How to?
How to cook a lasagna?
How to fix a toaster that rings like a doorbell?
How to stop my boyfriend from playing league of legends?

[JacksonVirgo]

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[JacksonVirgo]

if i think something's scummy i'll say it's scummy. i'll probably be really proud about noticing the scummy thing too

Not sure the relevance of this but cool, proud of you

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure what you see in 443

Shrek are you able to tell me what exactly about 443 you think is townie?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oop

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure what you see in 443

i like it when people bring original lines of thought into discussion even if i don't necessarily agree with them myself. i mildly dislike FL hopping on lich in the midst of yalls argument for that reason, it felt low effort-- whereas ducky's 'lich comes off as genuine and i don't care to sort them for now' kinda hits

I might be biased but I like that FL jumped on. The logic was sound, Lich collapsed under pressure and he decided (rightfully so) that he needed more pressure. He did exclaim that he didn't necessarily think it was scummy, which was ultimately where I found myself believing too. I feel we've aligned with our reads quite a lot even if the outcome may be different, the reasonings for everything we end up agreeing on even without speaking them. I feel FL is fine.

[JacksonVirgo]

[town]
BBmolla - i dont think theyve acted the most townie out of EVERYONE but they claimed and the rest is more a gut read
JV - similar lines of thought to me which is always a good thing, and i dont think scum would willingly get into a kerfuffle over an easily avoidable argument d1
ducky - 434 443 and 457 are a very good line of thought in particular which is enough to move it from lean to read. also hi do you remember me from survivor legendary

[townlean]
RN - i mean he thanked me. what more do you want (mostly just gut read)
TL - confused townie probably. i initially thought they were someone who wasnt earnestly trying to sort but the whole fight earlier changed my view
naerys - early game good vibes ig. i liked 173 but i need to see more from both her and merlyn
merlyn - basically same, drives discussion in a positive direction
STD - not anything solid but i agree with the reads they posted
flavor - i SR their wagon more than i TR them. LHF

[null]
david - no content but i like the impression of iavh dislike the impression of flavor
bianco - appeared early and had some decent posts then disappeared
hard null - anyone here i forgot or didnt mention
furtive - had an early wagon and kind of disappeared, hasn't been driving any real discussion

[conditional scum/mild scumlean]
psyche - like... the least likely to be scum out of my SRs, but klaz voting him and then immediately jumping off to sheep the next big wagon was weird
hu tao - basically my zzzx read but has slightly more content
zzzx - has a nothing ISO and sheeped onto FL


[scum]
klaz - bad opening and i don't really see what redeemed them so much as much as other people apparently do.
iavh - weird opening into disappearing when confronted

Are you missing FL?

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like you should have a read on them by now

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna do what's called a pro-gamer move

VOTE: furtive

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you missing FL?

no

Lol must be blind, thank you

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait wait wait. You think Flavour is LHF?

[JacksonVirgo]

i still don't understand the posts where people were claiming roles and why they happened

I'm an Investigation Immune Ninja Vigilante and definitely not a Serial Killer

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh lol got the pagetop too

[JacksonVirgo]

I found my first SK target

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait wait wait. You think Flavour is LHF?

i think he comes off as nulltown goofing off which is historically very easy for scum to jump on early to make themselves look busy without actually having to do anything significant

Let me also clarify.

You said you SR them more than TR but have them in the townlean spot. What's up with that?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I wanna share this song. It's so good and I'd break up with my boyfriend on the spot if it meant I could be with Noah for even a moment, my god.

[JacksonVirgo]

"i SR their wagon more than i TR them."

on what green earth does this mean i sr FLAVOR more than i tr him

i SR hu tao, zzzx and klazam, all of whom were sheeping the flavor wagon

OH. Sorry my brain is just on fire rn. I need an extinguisher

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought you were talking about Flavour, not his wagon mb mb

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh I forgot you don't use the L word here, if I slip up a little bit please forgive me. The community I play on most uses it

[JacksonVirgo]

Cool cool. What's everyones thoughts on furtive

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh god bros so behind it's hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

Furtive is scummy

I agree there, but why do

you

think he's scummy?

[JacksonVirgo]

Cool cool. What's everyones thoughts on furtive

eh

May I get a FL translator for this post?

[JacksonVirgo]

Cool cool. What's everyones thoughts on furtive

eh

May I get a FL translator for this post?

he aint done anything outta pocket

Yeah cuz he aint done anything, period

[JacksonVirgo]

From what I remember. he pops in, says he agrees on something and then dips

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s possible I was town reading them cuz they were defending me.

Also this is Town as fuck, just thought I'd say that now before I head out

Why

It reads as genuinely realising when you've fallen victim to bias.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll say JV's pressure on me is why JV isn't top read

also 606 is purely setting up Flavor Leaf as LHF, so BBmolla isn't a townread anymore

Nah everyone should top town me so I get NKed N1 and then win at life

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s possible I was town reading them cuz they were defending me.

Also this is Town as fuck, just thought I'd say that now before I head out

Why

It reads as genuinely realising when you've fallen victim to bias.

Which I believe comes much more often from Town here than Mafia.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll say JV's pressure on me is why JV isn't top read

also 606 is purely setting up Flavor Leaf as LHF, so BBmolla isn't a townread anymore

What about my pressure on you is bad?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm definitely getting pocketed somewhere, but im happy to live in a scum pocket for a few days.

I'm still neutral on Bb. When I see their reads on other slots, I'll work on solving it more, but more interested in other side.

I could go Furt. I just read their last post, and it kinda looks hatchety.

People are really focused on me this game. I don't really feel it's warranted either.

I'm just here being a charming leaf.

I'm pocketing you babe. Dw, just accept it. It's nice and warm in there

[JacksonVirgo]

JV this is multiball

pedit: it was making me unable to give reads or play the game at all without intense scrutiny

Why do people keep bringing multiball up. I know it's multiball, that doesn't change a thing

[JacksonVirgo]

I could go Furt. I just read their last post, and it kinda looks hatchety.

With what content they have, they appear to be scummy/coasting and not pushing too many buttons. I wanna put focus on that slot than it currently has

[JacksonVirgo]

JV this is multiball

pedit: it was making me unable to give reads or play the game at all without intense scrutiny

Also that's a problem with you as a player and has nothing to do with my alignment

[JacksonVirgo]

Jesters aren't normal-permitted yeah?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just asking brother

[JacksonVirgo]

Jesters aren't normal-permitted yeah?

You think I'm so incredibly scummy that I have to be a Jester? :lol:

I wasn't referring to you, but you being so self aware is another point to add to the list

[JacksonVirgo]

I was asking in case of Temporal, if you wanted to know

[JacksonVirgo]

Furtive responding like that to me talking about a jester is an awful look for them

[JacksonVirgo]

Your entire demeanour doesn't make sense to me

[JacksonVirgo]

It was just a throwaway question just in case as it came into my haed, it wasn't like I was calling you one or anything

[JacksonVirgo]

Furtive responding like that to me talking about a jester is an awful look for them

Eh, i get why you wouldn’t like it, but I kind of liked their post

What do you like about it?

[JacksonVirgo]

Furtive responding like that to me talking about a jester is an awful look for them

You were voting for me at the time...

And? I can talk about other people when voting somebody, it's not like I'm married to just talk about who I am voting

[JacksonVirgo]

Lich keeps having me go back and forth I hate this

[JacksonVirgo]

Lich keeps having me go back and forth I hate this

should I consider this pressure?

If it means you stop posting, no

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: furtiveglance

confident in a furtive lim

Ok I'm slightly concerned by the momentum here. I can assure you I'd be a great lim today (for scum)

Yeah that vote has me concerned too. It seems Lich always tries to double-down on a push as soon as someone says something that goes against it somewhat, which is really concerning to me

[JacksonVirgo]

Hot damn, I'm a pagetop magnet today

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: furtiveglance

confident in a furtive lim

Ok I'm slightly concerned by the momentum here. I can assure you I'd be a great lim today (for scum)

Yeah that vote has me concerned too. It seems Lich always tries to double-down on a push as soon as someone says something that goes against it somewhat, which is really concerning to me

Honestly, it’s super weird if TL is scum playing like this

I think they’re just weird town

I agree that it's weird, that's why I brought up a possible jester as it just doesn't fit and it's frustrating me

[JacksonVirgo]

Random and sudden thread distraction!!

[JacksonVirgo]

you're trying to put pressure on me and are lying about it

that's enough to place a scumread

Who are you talking to?

[JacksonVirgo]

Random and sudden thread distraction!!

The game's long enough already... :cry: :lol:

B-b-but look how cute it is ahhhhh

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not sure if I should be playing as if I'm under pressure or not

You think anything talking about you is pressure. And shutting down under a small comment someone makes for you is making speaking about you unbearable to even do and not being able to talk about someone is awful. Please change that, thank you

[JacksonVirgo]

I would want to focus my trio camel/furtive/psyche

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not sure if I should be playing as if I'm under pressure or not

You think anything talking about you is pressure. And shutting down under a small comment someone makes for you is making speaking about you unbearable to even do and not being able to talk about someone is awful. Please change that, thank you

okay I guess

not sure how I could change that without undue risk though, in case I am indeed under pressure again

pedit: it still doesn't make sense

ppedit: is that your PoE? I'm not townreading furtive and I don't see a good reason for furtive being in a townblock

pppedit: huh

Faded is to elim.
yes it's my PoE

[JacksonVirgo]

PoE is a bad term for it though. It's not really a PoE it's who I think is more likely wolves atm

[JacksonVirgo]

Bros got a hard on for pressure.

[JacksonVirgo]

But yeah, as FL said. Just keep doing what you're doing. Find wolves etc

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Camel

I actually feel more comfortable here

[JacksonVirgo]

I got pinged hard when they were talking about not getting anything from Temp being under pressure. Feels vastly out of touch

[JacksonVirgo]

But could also be FL and me being gods at mafia. Who knows

[JacksonVirgo]

But yeah, as FL said. Just keep doing what you're doing. Find wolves etc

okay

I apologize for being frustrating

Oh, it's okay <3

I'd love to get more out of the noggin' of yours about the game

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Camel

Revoting as the pagetop for spicy emphasis

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd still rather vote to lim when I have a high confidence scumread, rather than voting someone who I can't sort so I have to put at the town side of my lead rist

Yeah except it's much more optimal, useful etc when voting for pressure. Even though realistically it's never

just

for pressure or there'd be no pressure at all. If they respond badly they keep the votes.

They need to pick up their game, their current posts read bad and without votes they're gonna just slide UTR and I refuse to allow them to do that.

[JacksonVirgo]

You say I'm obvtown. Please expand on that I don't like the fact I've been town-read this easily and without proper reason. Feels like an easy read to throw out

[JacksonVirgo]

okay but if I change my vote after saying someone is 200% scum it shows a lack of conviction

I think they're wolf and my vote is off them. Doesn't change anything

[JacksonVirgo]

But I do understand what you're saying Temp

[JacksonVirgo]

Klazam's posts so far are probably in anyone's scumrange, and don't really seem town necessarily. But like with Hu Tao, could just be town as well.

I agree. I don't believe there's any genuine reason to read Klazam one way or another. I did originally think their early post/s were bad, but looking back they seem fine

[JacksonVirgo]

I like that Shrek read.

I could go Shrek over Snivy if people were down for that.

I'm probably going to tentatively refuse any push that isn't my three without proper reason.

[JacksonVirgo]

You say I'm obvtown. Please expand on that I don't like the fact I've been town-read this easily and without proper reason. Feels like an easy read to throw out

You came into the thread with the same ideas I had, like I would think something and scroll down and you'd said it. Also, you're being that one town that drowns the thread because they're enjoying the game so much

I wish you'd voice those ideas anyway, I barely know where your head is at

[JacksonVirgo]

Or if you have, I overlooked them and I'm a huge goofball

[JacksonVirgo]

I would not have voted Snivy if it wasn’t for my strong town read on JV.

And I’m really hoping to get a strong town read on Snivy if they’re town, cuz we could do some good damage together.

Well Shrek and I seemed to follow the same thought pattern so I'm not willing to follow that thread for the moment.

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ve really liked furtive a lot the past few pages.

Like I get the paranoia on my slot to only be able to lean town tentatively.

I’ve just gotten away with too much as scum it’s hard not to BOP me.

It’s annoying, but I get it. But I can rally a town like no other, put me in coach when it’s time, and I’ll score.

No idea what BOP means, unless it's literally like a term like "smack". Which I doubt as it's all caps but w/e.
I've also been liking their recent posts and I dunno if them talking good about me has buttered me up like a baby but yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

if I were making a PoE of 3 I'd say furtive/psyche/biancospino instead of furtive/psyche/snivy

mainly because I feel biancospino is more actively scum than snivy

We have nothing on bianc. I find it hard to think they're inherently more likely than someone who is giving me proper scum pings

[JacksonVirgo]

I think you might just be in tunnel mode

We love being in tunnel mode, it's fun

[JacksonVirgo]

Bianco's just gonna cop me tonight anyways

She can Cop me instead.

Confirmed PLUS 2-Shot Bulletproof?

Yeah, let's do that.

I wish you hadn't said this

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, I have been scum pinged by Random the past few times they’ve posted.

I’m trying to not let my enjoyment of players effect my reads like how I want to town read Snivy and Random, but this playerlist is filled with players I like a lot.

Yeah as have I but I usually don't bring those things up immediately but that one was a yikes.

[JacksonVirgo]

if I were making a PoE of 3 I'd say furtive/psyche/biancospino instead of furtive/psyche/snivy

mainly because I feel biancospino is more actively scum than snivy

We have nothing on bianc. I find it hard to think they're inherently more likely than someone who is giving me proper scum pings

strangely I have no reason to scumread or townread snivy, while biancospino feels very performative to me

Oh yeah? Can you quote and explain what feels performative?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think TL's reads lists merit further scrutiny.

Like, I kind of agreed with this, but a great camel once said “i agree with this, but i don’t like it when you say it”

Lmao that's like... a perfect quote for that

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh yeah? Can you quote and explain what feels performative?

50 is strange reasoning for a vote, and 61 doesn't seem like a town mindset post

Just like the earlier FL self-vote talk, I believe 50 is primarily if not entirely just a joke. Also I'm not really sure I see what you see in 61

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.

If I die N1 I consider my gameplay a huge W

[JacksonVirgo]

Bianco's just gonna cop me tonight anyways

She can Cop me instead.

Confirmed PLUS 2-Shot Bulletproof?

Yeah, let's do that.

I wish you hadn't said this

Oh? Why not?

Not my list. I don't know the OG list, but #24

These tropes are guidelines based off of general behavior mafia tends to exhibit compared to town. Thus these are not 100% accurate and must be treated with care. Remember each individual scenario is unique and overreliance on them can result in negative play long term.

Mafia Trope #7 - Mafia love to be "confused" [this tends to be much more the case AFTER day 1 in larger games, and sometimes excludes Day 2 as well, depending on the context of the 'c' word being used]
Mafia Trope #12 - Mafia love to claim "PR" but don't say which one.
Mafia Trope #15 - Mafia love to announce they are diving for logs and never actually provide any logs [this is more common in the last third of a game]
Mafia Trope #24 - When there's a godfather, they love to say publicly for cop to check them.
Mafia Trope #32 - Mafia love sharing an early game "yeah town is not winning this" attitude with town after things go south really early [after day 1, but usually when there are still ~10 people left]

[JacksonVirgo]

That's the easy way to explain why I wish you hadn't said that

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.

Also FL. Just as I asked Furtive, what makes me "too townie". I refuse to be pocketed easy

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I N0 cop checked them. They're part of blue mofai

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.

Also FL. Just as I asked Furtive, what makes me "too townie". I refuse to be pocketed easy

It’s just the way we’re working together feels like actual solving and in a similar position of not knowing really anything, and i don’t feel you’re faking it.

And I’ve played with you a few times before, so it’s not like I’m not aware of your playstyle.

Like i don’t feel like you’re pocketing me in addition to agreeing with most of the things being said.

And how are you sure it isn't me as blue maf (for example) trying to just find red mafia with you.

[JacksonVirgo]

I can also vote Bianco btw, early (P2 vote) posting was slightly strange in my eyes

Can you do what I asked Temp to do and quote what you think is strange. I don't see it

[JacksonVirgo]

Not just quote, explain too but that goes without saying