Mini Normal 2322: Game Over

[DragonEater70]

I know I've been annoying and not listening to your cases on her so far but right now it's different because I am completely lost.

But I need the whole process, not just the SR but the TR as well.

[Hu Tao]

I can link the game for the reason he tr me

[Hu Tao]

Oh wait it's the commercials game you helped mod

[DragonEater70]

I know that, I wanted to hear his personal thought process though. Like what did he find town indicative im particular. And then what made him disregard that / what changed his mind.

[geraintm]

Votecount 5.5

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate. Day 5 ends in (expired on 2024-01-30 19:27:15).

Votecount

Hu Tao (2)

- Flavor Leaf,

Pavowski

Pavowski (2)

-

Hu Tao, Purplemango

Not Voting (2)

- DragonEater70, geraintm

i am starting with the assumption that Flavour and Dragon are town.

the current game state, with town and one vote on Hu Toa and 2 votes on Pav, means to me:

If Pav is town, then Hu Tao & Purplemango could have switched over together to eliminate Pav, and then get another kill tonight to win 2 scum vs 2 town.

If Hu Toa is town, then Purple has been waiting day after day for one of me or Dragon to vote Hu Toa and then scum get the win that way.

If Purple is town, then Pav and Hu Toa are sitting there ready to bus their partner but have not tried to get a wagon going on the third option of Purple. i would have expected one of them (pav and Toa) to be voting Purple.

1st option has not happened. So i feel Pav must be scum with the assumptions i have set out.
I am surprised 3rd option they have not tried for one of them to have pushed Purple

How does my logic stand up?
Because i realise i have come to the exact opposite posistion as flavour here on who is scum in the 3 person group of PAv, Hu Toa and Purple.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor, can you walk me through what made you mega townread HT before we elimmed Black, and what made you lock your vote on her this day phase?

I think it was purely fear of misfading her again right after Commericals.

[Flavor Leaf]

In that game I was certain Hu Tao was scum for day phases, and I was wrong. (bingle/RCE 2 players who know me well made a lot of sense to be able to get that to happen even while I was feeling it happen)

Here, i have been waffling with her all game, not strictly pushing her. I wouldn’t even say she’s been anywhere close my main push of the game.

Black replaced in right after I was disheartened, and I feel commercials directly impacted that day phase for me.

These are not that similar of games when I relooked them over.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am though. Like what?

I know you want them to vote me over you, but if you're town you need to entertain the possibility that I am, too. Like nobody in the game is expressing the confidence in their reads of the remaining players as you are with me right now, which is telling

This makes a lot of sense to me, and while I think some Pav comments have looked fake throughout the game, it’s things like the ‘nobody in the game expressing the confidence’ lines that get me.

I’ve felt those type of lines from Pav all game

[Flavor Leaf]

What is Pav’s wincon here if scum in relation to what Hu Tao’s would be if scum?

[Hu Tao]

Getting me voted out?

[Pavowski]

Remind me who you think my partner is, Hu Tao?

[DragonEater70]

I'm confused about the third paragraph in
4029. What do you mean if Pav ia town Hu/Purple could switch to him? They are already on him.

[geraintm]

I'm confused about the third paragraph in
4029. What do you mean if Pav ia town Hu/Purple could switch to him? They are already on him.

God I think I'm an idiot sometimes.

[geraintm]

Votecount 5.5

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate. Day 5 ends in (expired on 2024-01-30 19:27:15).

Votecount

Hu Tao (2)

- Flavor Leaf,

Pavowski

Pavowski (2)

-

Hu Tao, Purplemango

Not Voting (2)

- DragonEater70, geraintm

Let's try this again

Scenario 1

Hu toa is town, then Pav and Purple are sitting there waiting for a vote on Hu Toa from me and Dragon.

Scenario 2
If Pav is town, then scum are either waiting for the hu toa wagon to get bored and people switch to Pav

Scenario 3
If Purple is town, then scum are sitting there trying to bus each other.

Is that better?

[DragonEater70]

Uh, sure

And your conclusion is still that it's Pav?

[Flavor Leaf]

Purple, Geraint, Hu Tao final 3, who do you all vote in that scenario

[DragonEater70]

I assume the question is not directed at me right

[DragonEater70]

Anyway geraint just vote Pav please if you think it's him

[Pavowski]

Dragon.did you do your read back for associatives?

[Pavowski]

Remind me who you think my partner is, Hu Tao?

Still waiting for this btw

[DragonEater70]

Dragon.did you do your read back for associatives?

Yes, I am currently leaning that it's Hu Tao.

Thing is I am not going to fight becoming conftown.

[DragonEater70]

Remind me who you think my partner is, Hu Tao?

Still waiting for this btw

Same

[Pavowski]

Dragon.did you do your read back for associatives?

Yes, I am currently leaning that it's Hu Tao.

Thing is I am not going to fight becoming conftown.

Maybe I just have morning dummy brain but how do you become conftown here?

[DragonEater70]

I am though. Like what?

I know you want them to vote me over you, but if you're town you need to entertain the possibility that I am, too. Like nobody in the game is expressing the confidence in their reads of the remaining players as you are with me right now, which is telling

Is this a scumslip?

If you are town then Hu Tao is confirmed scum to you.

How do you figure?

Only Flavor is conf, fmpov there are 2 scum in Hu Tao, Purple, Gera, and you.

I've townbinned you and Gera, but nothing confirms scum!HT except for the general hesitation to vote, which honestly town leans you and Gera even more.

Have you ever seen a scum quickhammer in ELo?

^

[DragonEater70]

Pavowski I swear if you are making up these dumbtells as scum I will murder you post game