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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:04 pm

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In post 23, Doctor Drew wrote: VOTE: Theta
Actually mis read your post a bit.

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:04 pm

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In post 20, Theta Alpine wrote: oh right names are a thing

uh

what is the likelihood that it is helpful to scum
Depends entirely on what kind of roles they have. I don't think there's enough information to make that kind of determination right now, but I assume there will be roles on both sides that benefit. Don't really want to get into role stuff yet though.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:06 pm

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In post 26, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 20, Theta Alpine wrote: oh right names are a thing

uh

what is the likelihood that it is helpful to scum
Depends entirely on what kind of roles they have. I don't think there's enough information to make that kind of determination right now, but I assume there will be roles on both sides that benefit. Don't really want to get into role stuff yet though.
Yet there is the unknown on how the names work, and in this unknown you want everyone to mass claim their names.

Is this making any sense to you?
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:12 pm

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In post 22, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 19, Radical Rat wrote: Thoughts on massclaiming names?

I think it'd be a good idea to lock people into name claims early, prevent shenanigans on that front.
Nah nah.

And out of RVS we go.

We don't know what the names do per se, this is role phishing.

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We do know that, per the OP, some roles target flavor names instead of usernames. The wording implies that this is the only use, which does open up the door for issues later on if people were to lie.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:15 pm

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Essentially, what I believe massclaiming offers is everyone knowing who they're targeting instead of having to guess if theirs is a role that targets flavor names. Whether this is a net benefit to Town or to Scum depends on the exact roles in play, which we do not know, nor should we be trying to speculate on so early.

However, it is my belief that the chance is worth taking to enforce consistency and accountability.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:34 pm

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In post 25, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 23, Doctor Drew wrote: VOTE: Theta
Actually mis read your post a bit.

VOTE: Radical
i was gonna say
fishing for scum role power usually is not that scummy

hmm
we do know that

wait how did i miss the word conversions in sign-ups

oh god
okay we do now that the scum factional power is non-standard and includes a bastard mechanic - conversions
so
what are the chances that it uses the names mechanic as well
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:34 pm

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also oh boy i am only now realizing we in a cult game yay
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:39 pm

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hmmmmm that would be one hell of a way to balance cult though

cult but you cannot tell who you are targeting if someone does not claim their name
that does get rid of a good portion of a cults strength
that being the ability to just convert strong town players specifically
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:56 pm

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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:08 pm

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I am led to believe that real names are important for town, at the very least.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:08 pm

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In post 30, Theta Alpine wrote:
In post 25, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 23, Doctor Drew wrote: VOTE: Theta
Actually mis read your post a bit.

VOTE: Radical
i was gonna say
fishing for scum role power usually is not that scummy

hmm
we do know that

wait how did i miss the word conversions in sign-ups

oh god
okay we do now that the scum factional power is non-standard and includes a bastard mechanic - conversions
so
what are the chances that it uses the names mechanic as well
So why do you say it isn't scummy to phish for roles here?

I mis read your post and realize that you were not, but isn't Rat doing just that?
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:12 pm

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For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:20 pm

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In post 36, Radical Rat wrote: For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
Oh, why didn't you just say that from the start?

My bad

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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:22 pm

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I'm so glad I was astute enough to pick a game where Drew was going to be reasonable to sheep him in :cool:

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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:22 pm

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fishing for roles in general is scummy yes

i was specifically pondering out loud whether scum is likely to require the names for their purposes or not

which unfortunately i am not sure we can figure out
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:23 pm

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In post 36, Radical Rat wrote: For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
In post 37, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 36, Radical Rat wrote: For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
Oh, why didn't you just say that from the start?

My bad

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Snark from me aside lol

We don't know how roles operate besides our own, mafia are a collective that know how each of their roles work and are for this reason more informed of how everything works here.

Why would you want to potentially give them more information at this point?
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:26 pm

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In post 39, Theta Alpine wrote: fishing for roles in general is scummy yes

i was specifically pondering out loud whether scum is likely to require the names for their purposes or not

which unfortunately i am not sure we can figure out
Theta, maybe I wasn't clear lol

I don't think you are phishing here, I understand the thought process going on in your head.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:27 pm

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In post 38, Aureal wrote: I'm so glad I was astute enough to pick a game where Drew was going to be reasonable to sheep him in :cool:

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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:28 pm

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There will be a special mechanic involving a part of their role's flavour referred to hereafter as 'real names', with a table of all possible names spoilered above.
The 'real names' are essentially just flavour that will be used in the place of usernames throughout the game, though some actions may require 'real names' to be submitted instead of usernames.
I think we should assume scum may require real names to be effective.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:36 pm

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In post 41, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 39, Theta Alpine wrote: fishing for roles in general is scummy yes

i was specifically pondering out loud whether scum is likely to require the names for their purposes or not

which unfortunately i am not sure we can figure out
Theta, maybe I wasn't clear lol

I don't think you are phishing here, I understand the thought process going on in your head.
oh

i think i understand what you are saying now

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i think i have to agree as well
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:45 pm

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I wonder if it’s apparent to anyone else that dr drew is role fishing even more than RR is
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:49 pm

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In post 45, DeasVail wrote: I wonder if it’s apparent to anyone else that dr drew is role fishing even more than RR is
Well clearly not since I have them all eating out of my palm muah haha

But I do wonder what you mean here?
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:53 pm

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In post 45, DeasVail wrote: I wonder if it’s apparent to anyone else that dr drew is role fishing even more than RR is
you are gonna have to explain that one to me cause i do not see it
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:29 pm

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In post 40, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 36, Radical Rat wrote: For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
In post 37, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 36, Radical Rat wrote: For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
Oh, why didn't you just say that from the start?

My bad

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Snark from me aside lol

We don't know how roles operate besides our own, mafia are a collective that know how each of their roles work and are for this reason more informed of how everything works here.

Why would you want to potentially give them more information at this point?
When you actually think about it, this question has no practical purpose other than role-fishing.

Now do I think Dr Drew is intentionally role-fishing? No, not at all. I don’t actually think it’s that common for scum to do that. But my point is that I don’t think RR is either.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:38 pm

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In post 48, DeasVail wrote:
In post 40, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 36, Radical Rat wrote: For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
In post 37, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 36, Radical Rat wrote: For what it's worth, I do not believe I am fishing for roles here.
Oh, why didn't you just say that from the start?

My bad

:roll:
Snark from me aside lol

We don't know how roles operate besides our own, mafia are a collective that know how each of their roles work and are for this reason more informed of how everything works here.

Why would you want to potentially give them more information at this point?
When you actually think about it, this question has no practical purpose other than role-fishing.

Now do I think Dr Drew is intentionally role-fishing? No, not at all. I don’t actually think it’s that common for scum to do that. But my point is that I don’t think RR is either.
Somehow this doesn't answer how I was role phishing.

I literally have no idea what you mean with my question.

I am saying that we shouldn't voluntarily give more info to the group who could benefit from more info.
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