Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[Klick]

What I do see, however, is a page top

[implosion]

DragonEater has a certain aesthetic to his reasoning that reminds me of myself in a way, probably moreso in the past than now. The idea of viewing x thing as more/less likely to come from scum (i.e. reading 1 vs 2 people in an opening post) in such a way that really looks like splitting hairs unless you're the one making the claim. I think when I would post that way I probably tended to do it more as town than scum because it's a lot easier to naturally come up with a sort of hairbrained theory when you're genuinely thinking about the game. It's the kind of read I'd post in the first few pages and then go back and look at weeks later while rereading myself (as town) and genuinely have no idea how I came to the conclusion in the read. I think his first couple pages are fairly towny.

[implosion]

This is not the point I'm making. In 46, you say that we should focus scumreads more than townreads because focusing townreads lets scum blend in. At the same time, you say Appearance is town and so far all he'd done was give out 2 unexplained TRs. If you think scum blends in by focusing on TRs, you don't also think that Appearance is town. You're claiming to have one philosophy on how to play the setup that contradicts your reads.

I don't like this post/line of logic. It feels less like a misrep (i actually don't like dragoneater calling it a misrep) and more like it's reductive, like if Dragoneater claims to have a particular philosophy that he mentioned then that philosophy doesn't necessarily underrun everything that he thinks. It's lacking in consideration imo as a reason to scumread dragoneater (and it does look like kyouko is scumreading dragoneater).

[implosion]

ssbm, elements, t3 and appearance are all provisional townreads for me

This is an interesting post, with me and Ydrasse having posted like once each at this point this is townreading everyone who has posted a fair amount except dragoneater and klick. I get townvibes from klick as well.

[implosion]

I keep thinking this game is 7 players

there's also a part of me that wants to call this post like, really hard town for being the kind of thing scum would be very unlikely to genuinely think (because they have a scumbuddy they're interacting with/are probably more self-conscious about stuff) and also extremely unlikely to come up with the idea of faking

[DragonEater70]

I love how you say you

used to

say "this is more likely to come from town than scum" in the past, and immediately follow it with "I think this posting is more likely to come from town than scum" (not saying this is alignment indicative, just find it funny). As a note, yeah that's an early game read, not a lategame read.

Also Klick can you help me out here? I think you should understand why I would consider a fast-paced, TvT-heavy game start to be superior to a slow and "wow everyone is so towny" game start, considering how well our last TvT-heavy game went. And this game I feel everyone is just TRing other people and trying not to step on anybody's toes (except me, Kyo, and you to a degree). Which makes it very hard to read people.

So if you can help me push this game into TvT (or even TvS) territory that'd help.

Pedit: to me, making it out like that philosophy should dictate my every thought is a "misrep" of my intentions, so that's what I call it.

Also, what do you make of DV's post being the way it is?

[implosion]

I love how you say you used to say "this is more likely to come from town than scum" in the past, and immediately follow it with "I think this posting is more likely to come from town than scum" (not saying this is alignment indicative, just find it funny). As a note, yeah that's an early game read, not a lategame read.

i mean yeah i kind of realized i was doing this. the difference now is that i

think

i usually try to draw some concrete line of reasoning between the thing i'm analyzing and how i think someone would view the game as town or scum, 79 is a really good example because i have a very specific reason for thinking that post is extremely town, it's not just a hunch (and I'm not saying your reads are just hunches if you are town, but to me they sort of look the same as hunches without access to how you're actually thinking about the game, if that makes sense).

Also, what do you make of DV's post being the way it is?

This is a good question and I think the answer is that i'm not really sure and i should probably go to sleep.

[DragonEater70]

Goodnight, I will await your answer tomorrow.

[Klick]

I love how you say you

used to

say "this is more likely to come from town than scum" in the past, and immediately follow it with "I think this posting is more likely to come from town than scum" (not saying this is alignment indicative, just find it funny). As a note, yeah that's an early game read, not a lategame read.

Also Klick can you help me out here? I think you should understand why I would consider a fast-paced, TvT-heavy game start to be superior to a slow and "wow everyone is so towny" game start, considering how well our last TvT-heavy game went. And this game I feel everyone is just TRing other people and trying not to step on anybody's toes (except me, Kyo, and you to a degree). Which makes it very hard to read people.

So if you can help me push this game into TvT (or even TvS) territory that'd help.

Pedit: to me, making it out like that philosophy should dictate my every thought is a "misrep" of my intentions, so that's what I call it.

Also, what do you make of DV's post being the way it is?

You've got to work with the playerlist you've got. This just isn't a group of people that are going to be at each other's throats right from the start. I'm satisfied with the slow game at the minute. It also works out with my IRL, with work starting back up.

Besides, the game is nearly won anyway even without that

[DragonEater70]

Besides, the game is nearly won anyway even without that

Oh, you think saw? Curious if you have the same solve as me then or you are referring to something else.

[DragonEater70]

Think so

Duh

[Elements]

I keep thinking this game is 7 players

there's also a part of me that wants to call this post like, really hard town for being the kind of thing scum would be very unlikely to genuinely think (because they have a scumbuddy they're interacting with/are probably more self-conscious about stuff) and also extremely unlikely to come up with the idea of faking

The only read on me I like so far

[Ydrasse]

HEAL: implosion, dragon, ssbm
HURT: deas

i am accepting questions at this current time (answer in 1 business day)

[Elements]

HEAL: implosion, dragon, ssbm
HURT: deas

i am accepting questions at this current time (answer in 1 business day)

why those four votes?

[Ydrasse]

HEAL: implosion, dragon, ssbm
HURT: deas

i am accepting questions at this current time (answer in 1 business day)

why those four votes?

i’m expediating your order even though i’m horribly exhausted

i don’t care for deas postwise so far, struggling to pinpoint the reason other than bad vibes. i wanted to hurt at least one slot but i couldn’t feel confident about anything else

implosion’s reasoning for reads so far has resonated with me and i don’t think anything feels forced (which i think is more important in this setup because wolves want to sneak in at least one of them)

dragon feels like he… cares? which is very silly. at first i didn’t like the tonal switch and i thought he was being too carefree with the reads he was giving out but his recent posts are towny imo. i guess the word i feel reading his stuff is kind of naive with how he’s solving (giving out one read instead of two being something that pinged tbis feeling. it doesn’t feel like it’s… really malicious to say that when you aren’t using it to try and bury someone and it seems more like a genuine thought)

and on the other hand i think kyouko is towny for pointing out the contradiction in what he’s saying or doing, even if i don’t take as… harsh a stance as she does? she seems to take a more… idek the word, utilitarian pops into mind but that seems very incorrect lol. pragmatic, something, stance and it rings similar to me from the undertale game where she was a little contrarian and willing to go against the grain (which in this game so far, the grain is everyone handing out townreads to each other)

[Ydrasse]

i opened deas” iso to try and figure out what i disliked but looking at the posts now it really is just vibes at most

like i could nitpick but i’m shrugging now

[Ydrasse]

arbitrarily deciding that a wolf has given a t3 townread at this point even though i think i get it but want to be the smartest person in the room

[DeasVail]

That’s alright

[DragonEater70]

K game solved

HEAL: Klick, Appearance, Dragon, Elements, Ydra

Fun fact, I had this as a meme solve before Ydra or Elements even posted because I'm that smart.

[DeasVail]

tbh i'm scared of scum distancing in this setup.

this was actually something I was thinking too.

Was it klick/dragoneater that pinged you as a potential distance as well, or more of a general fear?

Distancing? DragonEater ended our earlier exchange with a townread on me, and my stated read on DragonEater is ambiguous atm. I don't see how you come out of it thinking it looks like distancing.

I didn’t think your posting before this was particularly ambiguous but it also wasn’t a huge deal for me. Just a passing thought I had and was curious if it was what prompted Appearance’s post.

[DragonEater70]

Though tbh Ydra could in theory be scum so I urge you all not to blindly sheep me before we do some more solving and stuff

[Ydrasse]

K game solved

HEAL: Klick, Appearance, Dragon, Elements, Ydra

Fun fact, I had this as a meme solve before Ydra or Elements even posted because I'm that smart.

Though tbh Ydra could in theory be scum so I urge you all not to blindly sheep me before we do some more solving and stuff

i am putting in a formal request for further depth on your read on me
and the klick one as well if there is more than the interaction you two had early on

[DeasVail]

Town

Kyouko
Elements
Ydrasse
T3
Klick
Appearance
Dragon
Implosion

Scum

^this is a rough indication of my reads right now

[DragonEater70]

Actually nah maybe I'm tring something NAI

HURT: Ydra

I want to ask some questions first.

Pedit: There's no depth, that's why I'm unvoting. Questions will come in a few minutes to sort you.

[Ydrasse]

this is a bizarre sequence