Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yuuka Kazami]

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[Yuuka Kazami]

I am waiting for Kagerou to make an appearance as they did say they would be here later tonight.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Rn though, I just think it’s contrived.

I mean maybe? This is pretty much just the boil over from pages of mounting "something's wrong" gutfeel and I'm essentially playing Marco Polo trying to figure out the source

[Yuuka Kazami]

Is it that something is wrong. Or is it that you need to change your mind on my alignment because suddenly it's not such a good idea to be town reading me anymore when I seem willing to vote you in elo.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It's a mystery.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Another thing that just bothered me about Kaguya, albeit they called it being side tracked is that, essentially, they really haven't looked at how each player is bussing Reisen, because, as they say, from their perspective one scum is bussing Reisen, they only got around to it now and are pushing me while giving Kagerou a pass and also not really commenting much on what Reisen is doing.

My general aversion to re-reads makes this very hard and whenever possible I prefer to livechat over re-read. You're here, Reisen and Kagerou aren't so this is the natural result of that

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Yuuka if you're town I unironically think it might be optimal for the both of us to stop posting until Reisen and Kagerou get back to playing this game

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Like this isn't working for me at least, I need to talk to the other two to get a baseline

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'll be back later tonight.

Aya, can you bold anything relevant?

Are you following my plan?

I want to understand everything I did before I act.

What happened to this

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yuuka if you're town I unironically think it might be optimal for the both of us to stop posting until Reisen and Kagerou get back to playing this game

Freezing my read of you at a low point is bold of you. Are you sure we cannot find each other just by talking forever and ever?
Because I have faith I can just find you if I just keep on keeping on.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'll be back later tonight.

Aya, can you bold anything relevant?

Are you following my plan?

Plan?

For the record, I am going along with Aya decides the lim. I'm not sure it's the best.

Aya picks one of us to vote first instead. That's a 50% chance to hit scum. Then, even if wrong, a town would have a 2/3 chance of hitting scum at random.

Once the 1 v 1 is declared, then Aya picks the lim with input.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Like this isn't working for me at least, I need to talk to the other two to get a baseline

Fair.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Yuuka if you're town I unironically think it might be optimal for the both of us to stop posting until Reisen and Kagerou get back to playing this game

Freezing my read of you at a low point is bold of you. Are you sure we cannot find each other just by talking forever and ever?
Because I have faith I can just find you if I just keep on keeping on.

One last snipe but

You'll notice that if I had made up my mind, I wouldn't have changed my mind.
From Dai scum to dai town.
From you scum, to you town, to you scum, to you town, to you scum.
From kagerou town to kagerou scum to kagerou town to kagerou scum to kagerou weird.
From Reisen town, to Reisen scum.

It's weird.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Are you saying I'll change my mind forever, or are you going to do a deep dive and try to figure out where I changed my mind in each particular instance?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Are you saying I'll change my mind forever, or are you going to do a deep dive and try to figure out where I changed my mind in each particular instance?

The former lol

[Yuuka Kazami]

No kagerou it seems,
bummer.

[Aya Shameimaru]

Hmmm.

Isnt Kagerou's plan just already what will happen naturally only more likely to cause possible error?

[Yuuka Kazami]

It's a skill thing, depends how good the town are at finding the town and how good the scum are at hiding it after that discussion + how easy it is to convince town to vote wrong.

From a pure numbers pov, 60% town voice, is worse than 100% town making the choice.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

It's a skill thing, depends how good the town are at finding the town and how good the scum are at hiding it after that discussion + how easy it is to convince town to vote wrong.

From a pure numbers pov, 60% town voice, is worse than 100% town making the choice.

... It's still 100% town making the choice, just with more data.

[Yuuka Kazami]

My initial opinion on it was “no” and that it took gall to say it, which continued to add to my weirdness pile. Also, I don’t want to just pounce on them all the time for being weird. I don’t think it would be constructive. Rather it just feels like I’m being mean for the sake of it, even calling them weird over and over is rude and a discredit, it’s shorthand for “player thinks differently than I do, harder to get a handle on them given posts and reasoning”

You can safely ignore this post and just focus on the one above.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It's a skill thing, depends how good the town are at finding the town and how good the scum are at hiding it after that discussion + how easy it is to convince town to vote wrong.

From a pure numbers pov, 60% town voice, is worse than 100% town making the choice.

... It's still 100% town making the choice, just with more data.

Ah, I see what you mean.
I have no objections to Aya dictating who cross votes. It’s just safer.

I am upset Kagerou that you and Reisen have barely posted this day phase, and you continue to ignore questions pointed your way in melo.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Sort of obvious,
Town voting anyone is cutting the chances of a successful scum kill. Compared to a confirmed town telling two unknowns to vote each other. In fact, if I’m excluded one of the cross votes always lands on scum.

Tis rational, though, I didn’t say anything because I forgot. Derp.

[Yuuka Kazami]

The input thing I’m more iffy on.
But only because input is vague. If you just mean, like, two players vote each other and then the 1v1 produces “output” sure.

Everyone taking turns whispering into Aya’s ear as an input in response to the 1v1 output I’m more iffy on.

[Yuuka Kazami]

As for whether that would have happened naturally, no.
I’d have just voted whoever Aya tells me to and when they tell me to.

[Yuuka Kazami]

It's a skill thing, depends how good the town are at finding the town and how good the scum are at hiding it after that discussion + how easy it is to convince town to vote wrong.

From a pure numbers pov, 60% town voice, is worse than 100% town making the choice.

... It's still 100% town making the choice, just with more data.

While there are a lot of questions hanging, I need you to explain your read flip on me and answer Kaguya’s questions.