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[GuyInFreezer]

That was my genuine surprise actually.
“I have no opinion” to “I think these two are town infighting” is one hell of a jump.

Why?

Saying a fight is TvT is literally the easiest and safest thing one can do in a game of mafia.

Because those are two entirely different agenda if scum. Former is going for “I’m new idk what I’m doing uwu” card, and the latter is going for appeasement card.

[KayJayQueue]

Call me crazy but I find this strangely condescending.

Wouldn’t be the first time on this site I’ve been condescended to, no biggie. At least he’s not implying that I need a game thrown to me because I’m new (totally hypothetical scenario, absolutely not based on an experience I’ve had in the last week or anything)

But I’m fine with the banter and to be the butt of a few jokes as long as I can find scum at the same time.

[Solon]

That was my genuine surprise actually.
“I have no opinion” to “I think these two are town infighting” is one hell of a jump.

Why?

Saying a fight is TvT is literally the easiest and safest thing one can do in a game of mafia.

Because those are two entirely different agenda if scum. Former is going for “I’m new idk what I’m doing uwu” card, and the latter is going for appeasement card.

I don't see how those are entirely different agendas at all.

Please elaborate further.

[GuyInFreezer]

Let’s assume that you’re scum and you have a plan that you think it is working well. Would you deviate from it? It’s like trying to fix things that’s not broken.

[KayJayQueue]

This progression doesn't make sense to me, when Kay just parroted back one of the options that the guy in the freezer put forth.

Could this be a S/S interaction?

Believe me or not but I had typed out that response before I saw his post that you’re referencing.

[GuyInFreezer]

And for what makes them different,

“I have no reads” vs “I have reads”

If I simplify like this, then it looks very different, right?

[Solon]

Let’s assume that you’re scum and you have a plan that you think it is working well. Would you deviate from it? It’s like trying to fix things that’s not broken.

So you think scum!kay would just be like that the entire game? The next small step would be to say something is TvT - appeasement is the safest entry point into actually participating if you're scum.

[Doctor Drew]

And for what makes them different,

“I have no reads” vs “I have reads”

If I simplify like this, then it looks very different, right?

I have no reads

Slow down everyone, it is a beautiful day outside and I don't want to effort right away

[Solon]

And for what makes them different,

“I have no reads” vs “I have reads”

If I simplify like this, then it looks very different, right?

To completely remove the context, anything can look different.

You're reaching.

[KayJayQueue]

This is fun to watch but I’m not sure it’s giving me much information.

To be clear since it’s causing some debate, this post was meant to be more of a joke, tonally. Once I was asked directly, I answered with actual thoughts I was having. Sorry for the confusion.

[RolandOfGilead]

That was my genuine surprise actually.
“I have no opinion” to “I think these two are town infighting” is one hell of a jump.

Why?

Saying a fight is TvT is literally the easiest and safest thing one can do in a game of mafia.

Wouldn't saying nothing be even easier and safer?

If you say an interaction is TvT, you're documenting town reads on two people, not just one.

[Solon]

This progression doesn't make sense to me, when Kay just parroted back one of the options that the guy in the freezer put forth.

Could this be a S/S interaction?

Believe me or not but I had typed out that response before I saw his post that you’re referencing.

I believe you, but my point still stands, and I do believe you could be scum with the guy in the freezer.

That, or he's trying to pocket you by being extra nice and coaching you along.

[Solon]

That was my genuine surprise actually.
“I have no opinion” to “I think these two are town infighting” is one hell of a jump.

Why?

Saying a fight is TvT is literally the easiest and safest thing one can do in a game of mafia.

Wouldn't saying nothing be even easier and safer?

If you say an interaction is TvT, you're documenting town reads on two people, not just one.

You can't just say nothing forever.

Giving townreads is much easier than giving scumreads when you're scum. It's not like it was a set-in-stone read either.

[KayJayQueue]

And for what makes them different,

“I have no reads” vs “I have reads”

If I simplify like this, then it looks very different, right?

I have no reads

Slow down everyone, it is a beautiful day outside and I don't want to effort right away

Fiiiine

UNVOTE: Doctor Drew

[RolandOfGilead]

You can't just say nothing forever.

I never said anything about staying silent forever.

[RolandOfGilead]

Solon if you want to pocket me, step number one is going to be to stop twisting my arguments and taking liberties with what I am saying.

[RolandOfGilead]

I have 2 locktowns and 1 hella strong townread. And it’s only page 3. I really might solve this by page 10.

Who were these reads at this point in time?

[GuyInFreezer]

To completely remove the context, anything can look different.

You're reaching.

I don't see any removal of context.
You asked me how those two agendas are different, and I've narrowed them down to you so it's easily visualized.
We don't call that reaching, we call that "GuyInFreezer did a damn good job at simplifying things for everyone to understand easily."

If anything is reaching, it's this.

So you think scum!kay would just be like that the entire game?

We were talking about why Kay would/would not change her agenda

now

. Newbcard clearly won't work the whole game and by then, the agenda is clearly not working so it would make more sense to switch things up.

[Solon]

You can't just say nothing forever.

I never said anything about staying silent forever.

Solon if you want to pocket me, step number one is going to be to stop twisting my arguments and taking liberties with what I am saying.

I'm not taking any liberties or twisting arguments. As for

'pocketing

', I will continue to try to work with you while I believe you are town and that we can see eye to eye on things, but my patience is wearing thin.

If you accept that scum!kay cannot remain silent forever, then surely we agree that saying something like

'this fight might be TvT'

is hardly a surprising next step? What else would you expect?

[GuyInFreezer]

I have 2 locktowns and 1 hella strong townread. And it’s only page 3. I really might solve this by page 10.

Who were these reads at this point in time?

This is fun to watch but I’m not sure it’s giving me much information.

It doesn’t have to be grandiose you know.

It can be simple things like “I think GuyInFreezer is townie and Solon is tripping on something hard,” “I think Solon vs Roland is Town vs Town,” or even something like “I think Gob is town because I have the bar really low for him and he went over that bar.”

[Solon]

To completely remove the context, anything can look different.

You're reaching.

I don't see any removal of context.
You asked me how those two agendas are different, and I've narrowed them down to you so it's easily visualized.
We don't call that reaching, we call that "GuyInFreezer did a damn good job at simplifying things for everyone to understand easily."

If anything is reaching, it's this.

So you think scum!kay would just be like that the entire game?

We were talking about why Kay would/would not change her agenda

now

. Newbcard clearly won't work the whole game and by then, the agenda is clearly not working so it would make more sense to switch things up.

It seems incredibly naive to think that a newb!scum wouldn't at least attempt to give some reads sooner rather than later. It's clearly something she was self-conscious of, and she would have consulted with her partner about it.

And there was a removal of the context - going from 'I don't have many reads right now' to 'the fight might be tvt' is

not

the giant leap you are making out.

[KayJayQueue]

This probably won’t help the opinion of me and freezer dude being “teammates” but I see where he’s coming from with all 3 of those reads. The gob one being the funniest but probably most accurate. If gob is scum…then I don’t understand his game at all.

[Solon]

This probably won’t help the opinion of me and freezer dude being “teammates”

but I see where he’s coming from with all 3 of those reads. The gob one being the funniest but probably most accurate. If gob is scum…then I don’t understand his game at all.

Reverse-psychology means that this actually did help.

Right now I would say that Kay is more likely town.

[GuyInFreezer]

It seems incredibly naive to think that a newb!scum wouldn't at least attempt to give some reads sooner rather than later. It's clearly something she was self-conscious of, and she would have consulted with her partner about it.

Please tell me how this acknowledgement, consultation, and the posts you speak of can come out in span of 5 minutes.

[GuyInFreezer]

Right now I would say that Kay is more likely town.

Ok then I can drop this line of conversation. I'd rather not argue with someone who I think is town.