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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:48 am

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Snow2697 (5): Gypyx, Titus, geraintm, Little Will o' Wisp, PenguinPower
Titus (1): Naerys
Hu Tao (1): davesaz

Not Voting (8): Random Nurse, Oblivion, Hu Tao, Snow2697, NotAScum, KayJayQueue, JacksonVirgo, Thomith

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:48 am

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In post 46, Oblivion wrote:
In post 43, Gypyx wrote:
In post 41, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao
i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith
Not as disappointed as it is in all of you. Do you truly think this is an acceptable method to find scum? There are members here whose votes it understands. For whom it believes there is merit and a town mental model for approaching a wagon in this manner. It does not make it less disappointed in the very existence of this wagon.
yeah i do, i fact i think i've got one

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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:48 am

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In post 47, Thomith wrote:
In post 43, Gypyx wrote:
In post 41, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao
i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith
Trust me I'm disappointed in myself too lol.

Of course it would have been funny if this had actually gone through, but I got cold feet :lol:

With that being said, I do want to get some information out of Day 1 that a quick lim probably doesn't get us.

Naerys is probably right that there is a decent chance that the scum might have been hiding on the wagon as it was growing
With all that being said, this is not a Town Players Reply to this interaction after the unvote, it thinks. It lacks a proper mental model to be certain, but against the Generic townie model, it... the joking brush off into everything else which reads as Mafia 101 Pamphlet? It gives it bad feelings.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:48 am

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In post 46, Oblivion wrote:
In post 43, Gypyx wrote:
In post 41, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao
i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith
Not as disappointed as it is in all of you. Do you truly think this is an acceptable method to find scum? There are members here whose votes it understands. For whom it believes there is merit and a town mental model for approaching a wagon in this manner. It does not make it less disappointed in the very existence of this wagon.

Whose votes do you think are more likely to be town motivated?
thomith could be a court jester

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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:49 am

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In post 48, Oblivion wrote: It dislikes the very idea. There's no foundation to base the reaction off of, so there's no baseline to test against.
The useful info is the reactions of involved and uninvolved players to the wagon itself.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:49 am

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In post 16, Hu Tao wrote: I claim VT
Serious claim BTW
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:49 am

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In post 48, Oblivion wrote:
In post 45, davesaz wrote: note to self: read the 2nd page first :eek:

I don't think it's a bad thing to hit an E-1 like that, it will certainly provide good material.
What material? A Poisoned Well Opening to the game? Town or Scum, what player reacts within normal ranges to almost dying before ever hitting the thread? Do you think yourself so enlightened in the ways of player mentality that you will be able to discern town confusion and outrage from the scum variant? It doesn't think anyone can, reliably, and rather thinks that most natural responses from a player in that slot will be traditionally seen as scummy.

It dislikes the very idea. There's no foundation to base the reaction off of, so there's no baseline to test against.
while a big part of this will not be exploitable yet, it will get better as we get flips, since this is very early, these will also be very pure / unfiltered reactions
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:50 am

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In post 53, Thomith wrote:
In post 46, Oblivion wrote:
In post 43, Gypyx wrote:
In post 41, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao
i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith
Not as disappointed as it is in all of you. Do you truly think this is an acceptable method to find scum? There are members here whose votes it understands. For whom it believes there is merit and a town mental model for approaching a wagon in this manner. It does not make it less disappointed in the very existence of this wagon.

Whose votes do you think are more likely to be town motivated?
In post 9, Gypyx wrote: VOTE: Snow
In post 13, Titus wrote:
VLA until Monday like in signups


VOTE: Snow
In post 32, PenguinPower wrote: VOTE: snow
These ones, it thinks.
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But not older.

And you, who have your human heart again, know all their secrets still.
This is the truth you will use to break them, to rend chains apart and set their prisoners free:
no one else has ever loved this way before.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:50 am

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In post 53, Thomith wrote: Whose votes do you think are more likely to be town motivated?
Noting that I have thoughts on this but will leave it alone so that Oblivion can answer.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:51 am

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In post 57, Oblivion wrote:
In post 53, Thomith wrote:
In post 46, Oblivion wrote:
In post 43, Gypyx wrote:
In post 41, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao
i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith
Not as disappointed as it is in all of you. Do you truly think this is an acceptable method to find scum? There are members here whose votes it understands. For whom it believes there is merit and a town mental model for approaching a wagon in this manner. It does not make it less disappointed in the very existence of this wagon.

Whose votes do you think are more likely to be town motivated?
In post 9, Gypyx wrote: VOTE: Snow
In post 13, Titus wrote:
VLA until Monday like in signups


VOTE: Snow
In post 32, PenguinPower wrote: VOTE: snow
These ones, it thinks.
Can you elaborate please?
Most people voted without a reason, why are those votes more townie?
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:51 am

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In post 55, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 16, Hu Tao wrote: I claim VT
Serious claim BTW
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:51 am

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In post 47, Thomith wrote:
In post 43, Gypyx wrote:
In post 41, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao
i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith
Trust me I'm disappointed in myself too lol.

Of course it would have been funny if this had actually gone through, but I got cold feet :lol:

With that being said, I do want to get some information out of Day 1 that a quick lim probably doesn't get us.

Naerys is probably right that there is a decent chance that the scum might have been hiding on the wagon as it was growing
I mean, a quick day 1 also gives our PRs extremely potent cover, but i totally get where you're coming from
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:53 am

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In post 59, Thomith wrote:
In post 57, Oblivion wrote:
In post 53, Thomith wrote:
In post 46, Oblivion wrote:
In post 43, Gypyx wrote:
In post 41, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:

Let's not actually do this lmao
i'm very much dissapointed in you Thomith
Not as disappointed as it is in all of you. Do you truly think this is an acceptable method to find scum? There are members here whose votes it understands. For whom it believes there is merit and a town mental model for approaching a wagon in this manner. It does not make it less disappointed in the very existence of this wagon.

Whose votes do you think are more likely to be town motivated?
In post 9, Gypyx wrote: VOTE: Snow
In post 13, Titus wrote:
VLA until Monday like in signups


VOTE: Snow
In post 32, PenguinPower wrote: VOTE: snow
These ones, it thinks.
Can you elaborate please?
Most people voted without a reason, why are those votes more townie?
Because of what each vote meant. Gypyx votes to induce pressure and create content, Titus votes to validate that pressure after the second vote and make it realized and Penguin votes to solidify said pressure.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:55 am

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It also thinks the manner in which Penguin votes, in the posts he wrote after his vote, comes across within its mental model of Penguin from the prior game as Town. That is the one it is most confident in. Then Titus, then Gypyx.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:58 am

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Okay cool.

The initial vibe from Oblivions reaction to the E-1 made me think it could be overreacting as scum to gain town points by pointing out something that is likely to be seen as potentially anti town.
The way it responded to questioning though, makes me want to townread it for now.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:58 am

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It feels like Oblivion is genuinely trying to sort.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:01 am

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In post 42, KayJayQueue wrote: Is this real? lol Day 1 is silly
In contrast, I'm finding myself disliking this reaction.

VOTE: KayJayQueue

Do you have any opinions on the speed wagon? Any votes you find weirder than the others?
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:02 am

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obliving sure says a lot of words but i'm not sure if it makes it town yet

i'm kinda curious about how Penguin following usual penguin meta makes him more likely town when like, sheeping on a page 1 wagon is not the hardest thing in the world
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:06 am

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because i'm based
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:06 am

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In post 39, Thomith wrote:
In post 31, Naerys wrote:
In post 28, Thomith wrote:
In post 27, Naerys wrote: folks on speedwagon:gypyx,thomith,titus,geraintm,wisp
mhm
Do you think the speed wagon is scummy?
i think atleast 1 scum is hiding there
To be fair mathematically that is probably true. I know there is likely not enough to go on right now, but in a few (irl) days, I'd like to know who you think is most likely if that's okay?
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:07 am

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In post 66, Thomith wrote:
In post 42, KayJayQueue wrote: Is this real? lol Day 1 is silly
In contrast, I'm finding myself disliking this reaction.

VOTE: KayJayQueue

Do you have any opinions on the speed wagon? Any votes you find weirder than the others?
I find it crazy that it was that close to an elimination. I have done the random vote at the very beginning before but I’m much more tentative to make a real vote initially until I get a better feeling so I can’t tell if the speed voting is just for fun or is something that I’ll get used to with more games. I don’t know how to read the people that jumped on. I can say I don’t think it was bad from the first vote or maybe the second but I don’t know what jumping on is usually indicative, alignment wise. Or how to tell the 3-7 votes apart.
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:08 am

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Penguin has the same philosophy that I have. Early large wagons are quite valuable to town. I think Oblivion's take on Penguin meta is correct. It would be a very easy thing to fake as scum, so the town conclusion is a but suspect.
I can't town bin Oblivion on that because its approach was very similar in the last game and it flipped scum. It's only a sample size of 1 so not very strong.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:08 am

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In post 68, PenguinPower wrote: because i'm based
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:09 am

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In post 72, davesaz wrote:
In post 68, PenguinPower wrote: because i'm based
Not sure what you mean by based?
In post 34, Gypyx wrote: Penguin is based
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:09 am

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In post 70, KayJayQueue wrote:
In post 66, Thomith wrote:
In post 42, KayJayQueue wrote: Is this real? lol Day 1 is silly
In contrast, I'm finding myself disliking this reaction.

VOTE: KayJayQueue

Do you have any opinions on the speed wagon? Any votes you find weirder than the others?
I find it crazy that it was that close to an elimination. I have done the random vote at the very beginning before but I’m much more tentative to make a real vote initially until I get a better feeling so I can’t tell if the speed voting is just for fun or is something that I’ll get used to with more games. I don’t know how to read the people that jumped on. I can say I don’t think it was bad from the first vote or maybe the second but I don’t know what jumping on is usually indicative, alignment wise. Or how to tell the 3-7 votes apart.
What do you think of Oblivions reaction to the wagon?
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