open 914: the coalition

[Moros]

i mean... you're not wrong

I just wish your answer was less mechanics related

nvm i guess

i can elaborate if the answer was inadequate. you asked for general and nonspecific. i don't think my answer was mechanics related, it's about how i expect players would play the game. they would exist with those minds and goals and their play would show signs of that.

[Umlaut]

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[Umlaut]

Uh, wrong thread sorry,

@mod

please delete if you are willing

[Umlaut]

but I will catch up here too.

[Umlaut]

I don't really want ceejay, Aventurine, May, or Cutter in the coalition. I think there's a good chance both scum are in that group

Tell me what's wrong with May? She seems fine to me but she's probably the weakest of my townreads so I'm cool with being talked out of it.

[May]

Aventurine FROZEN

I think it probably actually has exams but yelling frozen is funny

[Black]

I don't really want ceejay, Aventurine, May, or Cutter in the coalition. I think there's a good chance both scum are in that group

Tell me what's wrong with May? She seems fine to me but she's probably the weakest of my townreads so I'm cool with being talked out of it.

It's a really weak gut ping tbh. I don't have great reasons to keep her out

[May]

Tsawassen's analysis of implosion seems pliable and appeasy but then doesnt make sense to me which I don't like

[May]

Sry I'm not gonna stop bringing Taco Bell to band practice I'm not made out of money

[Black]

That's ok I love Taco Bell

[May]

Serious face if I applied the concept of frozen to this game ceejay summarized the first 200 posts with one post from aventurine that "feels off" and trickled pretty minimal thoughts thereafter so I would kinda wonder if he's having an alignment related problem digging into the game

[May]

Wouldn't it be funny to just coalition aventurine before it posts more even though it's kinda scummier than rand and acknowledged the existence of MapleStory

[May]

HEAL: Black May Cutter B Moros Umlaut

[Black]

Why Cutter?

[Black]

Serious face if I applied the concept of frozen to this game ceejay summarized the first 200 posts with one post from aventurine that "feels off" and trickled pretty minimal thoughts thereafter so I would kinda wonder if he's having an alignment related problem digging into the game

Hmmm. Maybe. We were in a game together recently where he was scum and he didn't seem to have that issue though. Or at least he seemed to dig into the game a bit more

[Black]

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This is ceejay's ISO that game. It definitely seems like he was trying to make a conscious effort to seem involved

[May]

I don't think he's making less effort to seem participatory here

[implosion]

I feel comfortable placing you and Black as town

Where does this come from? Is it by some comparison of our play with the 9:12 game, or otherwise?

[implosion]

ceejay called Cutter town for earnestness and Moros described her as lost in a towny way. I don't really take issue with townreading her per se, I just don't find myself agreeing with it at least yet. I don't really see why the looking at people by most vs least posts idea can't come from scum, including new scum. The Tsawwassen heal is fine but also like, not really outside of the generic scumrange of a typical new player in my mind. I think she can easily be scum who was using the splitting the player list into most vs least active thing as a way of just settling into the game and is continuing to just, generally interact with the game some. I guess maybe I do take issue with townreading her per se, i certainly think she can be town but I don't really buy that she's done anything particularly town-indicative.

[implosion]

And I do think that if she is town she's certainly capable of doing something more town-indicative, and I don't think what she's done is particularly scum indicative either. I just don't really see any thought process that I think is particularly unlikely to come out of scum looking at the game and analyzing it from the perspective of being scum, yet.

[implosion]

Tsawwassen gives me very mixed vibes. I like their opening, I like some of their vibes in general. I don't really like 189 the more I look at it. I don't really like the hedginess of the black vs may comment, nor the statement that it looked distancey but that they're still fine having one of the two on it? like, what's the thought process there? "I think both these people might be scum distancing from each other so I'm okay having exactly one of them on the coalition"? Kinda looks contrived.


The list itself that they come up with also strikes me as a bit contrived. I mentioned at the time that it was me + my townreads + them and I mostly just said that as an amused throwaway line but there is kind of a Bayesian argument that winding up at that exact list is something that scum might be more likely to do, because it looks like a potentially politically viable coalition that has a scum inserted into it. 198 is also sort of weird, like the way that they list everyone in the game as either someone they trust or someone they don't trust, idk. It doesn't really ring true to me to the way that town approaches sorting.

This is not a strong read, and it's particularly muddled because of tsawwassen being one of those alts who is to some extent playing like an alt.

[May]

I agree with all of that intellectually but I feel better about healing a newbie that looks more natural than not than I want to heal one of the vets who are simulating their town game or playing their town game in similar ways. It's a fallible percentage play
In a way maybe it's a better heal than black even if I have more little things I like for black.

It's like

The absence of a mess in the kitchen is so much more of an indicator that a certain 8 year old didn't cook this evening than a certain 48 year old didn't cook this evening and there's an absence of anything sinister in the way cutter b presented the simple silly partition plan even if it's not very difficult to post about while carrying a scum mindset

Pedit

[implosion]

I think I like Moros more as time goes on, it feels broadly unagenda'd. Possible from scum who thinks they're comfortably going to be on whatever coalition winds up forming but I think the pattern of its play comes more often from town who is just throwing things out there.

[implosion]

I agree with all of that intellectually but I feel better about healing a newbie that looks more natural than not than I want to heal one of the vets who are simulating their town game or playing their town game in similar ways. It's a fallible percentage play
In a way maybe it's a better heal than black even if I have more little things I like for black.

It's like

The absence of a mess in the kitchen is so much more of an indicator that a certain 8 year old didn't cook this evening than a certain 48 year old didn't cook this evening and there's an absence of anything sinister in the way cutter b presented the simple silly partition plan even if it's not very difficult to post about while carrying a scum mindset

Pedit

I can definitely see this angle. I feel like I'm in no rush though.

[Aventurine]

HURT: ceejayvinoya, for now