open 914: the coalition

[Aventurine]

I'm pocketed. Sorry to anyone who wanted the spot in the coalition thats going to aventurine

[Aventurine]

HURT: Tsawwassen tbh

[implosion]

I think at this precise point in time I'd be partial to myself, black, may, moros, aventurine.

[implosion]

Both for seeming political viability and generally it feeling pretty solid. It's excluding ceejay, tired person, umlaut, and tsawwassen. I need to muse some on Tsawwassen's recent posting though.

[implosion]

I think I fundamentally disagree that approaching coalition games with a decreased interest in finding scum is the strongest way to win the setup

That formula is
You don't actually find 5 town because the easiest way to find town is watching townies hunt scum
The coalition fails, even if you don't believe point one, most do
All of your favorite town reads get mercked to the sky by NKs because everyone has gotten very public and confbiased about their strongest town reads
You make the entire setup divide and conquer but worse

I think this is at least partially true, but I don't think you need to worry about townreads getting merked in this setup because, until scum in the coalition is limmed, scum is *pretty much* obligated to shoot outside the coalition. And if we can lim a scum d1 after the coalition fails then we've

roughly

equalized

[Moros]

I think at this precise point in time I'd be partial to myself, black, may, moros, aventurine.

i would be happy enough with this. of the four i am excluding, may is the one i'd be most okay with compromising on.

[Moros]

i still feel the same about tsawwassen's logical issue with black and may as i did when i first responded to it, and their explanation was satisfying to me. it feels like town messy logic to me.

[Moros]

the gently urging towards a consensus that doesn't include themself felt like town to me also. it could alternatively mean that they are partners with someone already in the consensus. however, in that case, it doesn't hurt to put them in.

[May]

I think at this precise point in time I'd be partial to myself, black, may, moros, aventurine.

I'm morally obligated to point out that this is the entire emo band

!

[Tsawwassen]

i think there's one scum in umlaut, implosion, moros(???). this is a game state read based on the following facts:

I think if implosion is scum he wouldn't need to campaign so hard against my spot in the coalition since he was pretty widely townread already

[tired person]

. It's great that you're correctly calling me town against the grain for little benefit but you're also correctly calling me town against the grain for little benefit, jellyfishing so hard you neither pull yourself into coal nor push me into coal is ignoring the wincon in a town rolepm pickup beyond the pale.
You even said your pred was townie, which I and I think another player or two has expressed, but still don't want in.
This would add up to more disdain than aventurine or umlaut if I did not have a handful of things I liked for cutter B's posts

HEAL: may, tired person

is that better?

[Tsawwassen]

What does jellyfishing mean?

[Tsawwassen]

I'm surprised Umlaut is in so many coalitions, I forgot why I townread him tbh. If we gave him the boot we would be one step closer to convergence

HURT: Umlaut
HEAL: ceejay

[tired person]

I'm surprised Umlaut is in so many coalitions, I forgot why I townread him tbh. If we gave him the boot we would be one step closer to convergence

HURT: Umlaut
HEAL: ceejay

this makes no sense. nobody is going to converge on ceejay.

[Tsawwassen]

I'm surprised Umlaut is in so many coalitions, I forgot why I townread him tbh. If we gave him the boot we would be one step closer to convergence

HURT: Umlaut
HEAL: ceejay

this makes no sense. nobody is going to converge on ceejay.

nobody converged on ceejay, yet

[tired person]

i feel i should explain why i didn't vote for myself and may straight away, since this seems to upset a great deal of people:
well for one i did vote for us in my first post. then i asked tas, who i was wanting to work with, about his opinion on a coalition with us so he said no. so at that point i voted for the same coalition but without us, thinking that i could maybe compromise if i convinced tas that may (or myself) was town and he convinced me that umlaut (for example) was town, and then i'd heal may and umlaut as the last two. but since neither he nor anybody else had bothered to give a convincing town case on any of moros, umlaut, or implosion, then i've given up achieving such a compromise and will be just voting for my preferred coalition now.

[Tsawwassen]

I stated my coalition preference just earlier in 372, and then you approached me with a coalition that included the 2 players I didn't give support for

I thought you were just trolling me lol. I didn't get the sense you were actually wanting to work with me, my bad!

[Tsawwassen]

Moros and implosion should be pretty self evident from their ISO. I'm not sure what exactly you're seeing from May that you're not seeing from the other two

I feel like I've asked you this before...

[implosion]

maybe tsawwassen is just town but i'm not going to ever admit it because i'm prideful

[implosion]

i think this is becoming one of those games where i'm like well there's an easy answer and now i'm just waiting to see what happens after we see that the easy answer is wrong :X

[Tsawwassen]

maybe tsawwassen is just town but i'm not going to ever admit it because i'm prideful

That's ok you're allowed to be wrong on 2 townies so you still one in reserve

[tired person]

Moros and implosion should be pretty self evident from their ISO. I'm not sure what exactly you're seeing from May that you're not seeing from the other two

I feel like I've asked you this before...

that doesn't really help tho. i already saw their posts and had them as weak townleans before i started townreading you, i want to know why they are such strong townreads for you.

i explained about may, i feel her approach is not too concerned with any sort of positioning. if she's scum and townread she should be working toward a mislim after the coalition fails. if she's scum and scunread she should be working to be townread or to have her partner's position cemented in the coalition. i am not getting these vibes from her. i also just townread her approach on a visceral get level. i might actually be wrong but so far her reaction to my townread of her makes me think she's town. i don't think she'd be fighting her only townreader as scum.

[tired person]

ftr i slightly scumread implosion and umlaut and undecided about moros. i will make my cases later today.

[schadd_]

prodding ceejayvinoya and umlaut

[Moros]

ftr i slightly scumread implosion and umlaut and undecided about moros. i will make my cases later today.

i am interested in seeing these.