Shell Game (Night 3)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it would be sad if my doggo ditched me over a bagel tho.

hilariously understandable too. maybe he dared her to scum claim in main thread.

[Firebringer]

But i do appreciate if u can spread paranoia

[Firebringer]

isn't firebagel doctor drew?

[Dannflor]

But i do appreciate if u can spread paranoia

I wasn't actually concerned / I don't think anyone is lock towning you

that was just my cute pithy way of saying that I'm concerned about your ActionDan push

[Dannflor]

isn't firebagel doctor drew?

don't think so

[Firebringer]

firebagel seems like doctor drew to me

[Firebringer]

that was just my cute pithy way of saying that I'm concerned about your ActionDan push

anything i can do to make u more concerned here

[Sunflower]

isn't firebagel doctor drew?

no

[Firebringer]

isn't firebagel doctor drew?

no

how would u know!
U didn't put any points into detection
all ur points are in being cutesy

[Lukewarm]

im curious on lukes read on the pooky x oblivion since he looks like he was around for it..?

My take on it, as always when clashes like that happen, is that sorting from it feels icky, so I am gonna generally pretend that it didn't happen.

[Dannflor]

that was just my cute pithy way of saying that I'm concerned about your ActionDan push

anything i can do to make u more concerned here

um i just feel like your concerns about AD should be sated now

[Firebringer]

that was just my cute pithy way of saying that I'm concerned about your ActionDan push

anything i can do to make u more concerned here

um i just feel like your concerns about AD should be sated now

so to get u more concerned i need to have more concerns. I have all the concerns on actiondan. For instance his name is action and dan, yet he has taken no action today. Very sus if u ask me.

[Dannflor]

I'm extremely concerned now

[Spiffeh]

I have thoughts regarding Firebringer that I'm sitting on for the moment. I am eager for his promised rereads/effort today.

Ohh damn. Someone is going to make me keep my word. This is truly the end times.

I want to reread you but if i was going to give a general idea of why i think u could be scum is you seem more blendy. (I know very generic). I guess ur take that got u heat for me being scum was something, but i don't see why people would push back on that. Ive been given too easy townreads by quite a few and most people give me townreads just to annoy or meme on me.

When i reread u though the things i want to keep in mind is how u interact with a few key people because i think scum you is going to be more hesitant...or neutral in interactions. Whereas i think town u might be more working with/trying to colaborate. Idk if you think this makes sense as ur scum vs town self, i think scum you tries to look engaged where town you is actually trying to work with players to keep engaged.

Where did I get heat for my "scum read" on you? Hermit Crab poked at me about it in the hood but it wasn't the crux of any scum reads on me from what I recall.

Spoiler: self meta

I think most of this is fairly accurate. As Town I typically focus more on identifying other Town players I work well with and I rely on them to bounce opinions off and keep my tunnely, OMGUSy nature at bay. As scum I am more concerned with meeting expectations and make a lot of pushes that look good on the surface while giving myself an out (similar to what I pointed out about Ydrasse earlier, actually) so I can avoid blame for the miselimination or I can drop the read on a dime if it no longer serves me.

Outside of me (?) do you have any scum reads?

I am hesitant with you because you have not yet struck the balance between troll!bringer and content!bringer that I have come to expect from your Town game. In Kemusan on Day 1, you were shooting the shit like usual but also had a very confident scum read on ffery that you were pushing at every opportunity. I'm not all that impressed with any of your game-related posts yet.

I also think that I am typically someone you focus on and try to sort pretty early, and you've barely mentioned or engaged me whatsoever. So it's off to me that the first time you've mentioned me in a serious way was "scum Spiffeh is an interesting take" as if this was never a consideration for you when I feel like I am usually guilty until proven innocent for you. My immediate thought when reading that post was that you were scared to ruffle my feathers or address me head on in the event that I had a negative reaction to it.

[Brian Skies]

i don't even think 2 wolves in the dethy is out of the question

i really think it makes sense for people to be swapping around neighborhoods this game so i think the starting number of scum in any neighborhood probably can't be accurately guessed but im not mech brained!!

Do you think people can be swapped into both hoods, or just one? Because the second one seems themed around inventors and I think it would be strange if players can be swapped in and out of that one.

[Dannflor]

i don't even think 2 wolves in the dethy is out of the question

i really think it makes sense for people to be swapping around neighborhoods this game so i think the starting number of scum in any neighborhood probably can't be accurately guessed but im not mech brained!!

Do you think people can be swapped into both hoods, or just one? Because the second one seems themed around inventors and I think it would be strange if players can be swapped in and out of that one.

idk I'm just spit balling about my very specific idea of what a "shell game" might look like in a mafia game

[Firebringer]

Where did I get heat for my "scum read" on you? Hermit Crab poked at me about it in the hood but it wasn't the crux of any scum reads on me from what I recall.

I think it was just hood talk. I don't remember anyone pushing u in main thread. And honestly most of whats been going on with you in mainhood has not been bringing attention to me so thats why i said u being scum would be interesting because of lack of engagement (at least from my memory of u so far). I do want to sort u earlier though, i think ur post here is first one i go well that sounds town spiffeh. But i might be giving u easy pass for how u framed that whole post.

[Sunflower]

isn't firebagel doctor drew?

no

how would u know!
U didn't put any points into detection
all ur points are in being cutesy

i put all my points into detection. im the best alt guesser on site

[Brian Skies]

I'm going to refresh tonight. I had a really stressful time last night and this morning, and some of that was due to this game, but most of that was external and me projecting that into this.

I'm finding the push on myself overwhelming. I don't particularly like or enjoy playing to expectation. I also dislike the infrequent-but-significant wagon that grows on me early D1 simply for playing the way I play amongst certain groups of players.

If you have a question that you like, really really care about getting answered, ping me and I'll give it some attention before I refresh. But what I'd like to do tonight after the kids are asleep is go through and get a clearer perspective on the game.

I think I'm quite happy with the actual reads I've developed so far, but I'm going to make an effort to be more transparent as to the reasoning behind most of my reads. Some might change with reflection. My concern is that a number of people are going to poke and prod and otherwise invalidate my attempts at showing my work, not due to its actual content or potential accuracy, but simply due to disagreements in process. I'm not interested in getting into lengthy debates about the accuracy of my opinions or process, unless the goal is genuinely to come to a shared understanding on someone's alignment.


With that out of the way, see you all in like 3ish hours maybe

^ that is a Town post

Why is this a town post?

[Firebringer]

I don't have a confident scumread to push right now.

[Firebringer]

I mean I have scumreads but nothing i want to go ham on right now.
Pooky i think is scum but he gets passes for putting me on the police force.
actiondan is such a gut read at this point because i think my initial reasons are moot and now im just doubling down on something that probably isn't there.

It should be easy to find scum with this big playerlist but im having difficulty of finding a person to push or question.

[Dannflor]

I vibe with that

[Shello and Goodbye]

i’ll help

woof

[morph the cat]

One thing I saw mentioned that I wish to correct from the sickbed:

We may name our town tiers really silly things like "show me the guilty or fuck off" but in reality, we are ALWAYS willing to hear a case out, so don't cite us for reasons not to do that. If you think Marci is scum then case her and we'll evaluate it. Everyone can be wrong, and even if we might disagree now, we may see something you found and 180. Or heck, we might still disagree but find your efforts useful in sorting elsewhere.

[Spiffeh]

@Brian the "I'm finding the push on myself overwhelming" bleeds town to me. I don't think that ever comes from scum.

There is also a sense of genuine self-awareness that Town is more likely to vocalize in the thread. If scum!Klick notices that his vagueness is bringing him a lot of heat, he probably just changes up his play style without directly addressing and bringing more attention to it like he does here.