Shell Game (Night 3)

[Hermit Crab]

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[Oblivion]

Idk, not feeling very confident in who is scum in the hood ATM

I liked Spiffeh's push here:

VOTE: Brian Skies

Does this represent a change of your Oblivion read? If so, elaborate?

Ummm sort of. I think its posts generally feel agenda less. 1013 is a good example where it gives me the overall impression that it's just doing its own thing in figuring things out.

But I'm also having a hard time following its thought processes and reads on players in the game. It might be due to how it approaches the game, e.g. its treatment of the

FireBagel slot seemed like an uncharitable scumread to me,

but it was actually townreading Firebagel the whole time...? I guess I'm still in a wait-and-see mode. I'm interested what conclusions its drawing from its questions, specifically with Pooky but also more generally.

I mostly wanted to move my vote

This is how it came across? It was only asking the slot to answer a question and being unwilling to be deflected away by questions itself? It's not really sure.... eh, anyway.

It's read process on Bagel was, as follows:

Enter Thread, Witness a user claim scum, think about if this can come from both alignments, it can but will likely be killed at some point as a result, if this is town it needs to find that to ensure it doesn't become an easy elimination later, approach with inquery, be rebuffed by questions instead of answers, refuse to budge, get delayed, get an answer, feel somewhat comfortable with a mental model of the user, decide within that model it is likely the user is town but not 100%, determine that it is confident enough in its model that by day 2 it should be able to feel locked in about that alignment, decide as a result the slot is town with a refresh required on day 2, move onto other slots.

[Oblivion]

It also dislikes the assertions that its interaction with pooky was somehow egging him on as opposed to, as it said multiple times, trying to squash the issue and apologize and reach a stable conclusion such that the game could progress without the tension of that drama. It is confident Marci is town, but it wonders if Brian isn't taking advantage of the situation and Marci's bias towards it to come to that conclusion? It certainly thinks less of Brian for his interaction with Marci, where Marci feels like misguided town and Brian feels like he is looking for an in, as opposed to actually solving.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What is your mental model of Firebagel and how did that help you arrive at the conclusion that she is town?

[Oblivion]

What is your mental model of Firebagel and how did that help you arrive at the conclusion that she is town?

It thinks she is the kind of player who cares much less about how their are percieved that the majority of other players, and takes the game a modicum less seriously than it and others as well. Not to say she isn't trying, but rather that she has a more laissez-faire attitude. Generally it thinks of the player as someone who will speak off the top of their head as opposed to taking their time to really consider the impact that every word has, and it feels they are more likely to find someone as town based on the gut feelings of how an interaction goes than by the methodology behind someone's actions (in other words, it feels like she reads people the same way she plays, based on feel and flow?).

And with that lens in mind, it thinks that the entrance had a chance to be a gambit and still does but it struggles to see how a feel and flow based player enters with a gambit like that because it's very much the kind of gambit that someone needs to think more in advance about. It thinks it fits way more as an off the cuff joke to garner reactions towards her. This is hypothesis but it thinks she is more comfortable reading people when they engage and talk about things she is involved in than trying to mindread an interaction between two other players and determine the value judgement of how that Feels.

With that in mind it thinks Bagel entered the game like this not nervously (bagel doesn't appear to be inexperienced) but with a light heart and the idea to dive right in and find what they find. It finds that mentality town and it expects that if that mentality continues across the days, the live and let live riskiness of willing to simply say what is on their mind and not hesitate to commit herself to a position, it feels strongly that it will be able to lock in that town read from there.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tbh I think Firebagel decided her entrance into this game before she even got her role PM because her account is a play off of Firebringer, who is known for claiming scum every game

But thanks for answering, that seems like a believable thought process at least

[Lukewarm]

On one hand I feel like I need to reread this game to get a solid scum read of my own, and on the other hand I want to just wait for morph to do all the work for me and break out their super duper color coded entire player list read list

But either way, I don't currently know where I want my vote to be, and it feels stale where it is.

You that confident morph is town?

I do think that morph is town, but that post was not to say that I wanted the reads list to blindly sheep. But I wanted their eventual Sych-Achieved Cases to look at to determine which I agree with and which I don't, because that becomes a much more manageable amount of work to determine who I want to kill in a game of this size.

[Oblivion]

tbh I think Firebagel decided her entrance into this game before she even got her role PM because her account is a play off of Firebringer, who is known for claiming scum every game

But thanks for answering, that seems like a believable thought process at least

wait, it thought those connections were just jokes based on the name, is the account really actually a joke account trying to mirror firebringer's playersytle?

[Oblivion]

On one hand I feel like I need to reread this game to get a solid scum read of my own, and on the other hand I want to just wait for morph to do all the work for me and break out their super duper color coded entire player list read list

But either way, I don't currently know where I want my vote to be, and it feels stale where it is.

You that confident morph is town?

I do think that morph is town, but that post was not to say that I wanted the reads list to blindly sheep. But I wanted their eventual Sych-Achieved Cases to look at to determine which I agree with and which I don't, because that becomes a much more manageable amount of work to determine who I want to kill in a game of this size.

Did you read its interaction with them where it asked for top 3 town and top scum?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tbh I think Firebagel decided her entrance into this game before she even got her role PM because her account is a play off of Firebringer, who is known for claiming scum every game

But thanks for answering, that seems like a believable thought process at least

wait, it thought those connections were just jokes based on the name, is the account really actually a joke account trying to mirror firebringer's playersytle?

I don't think she's trying to mimic all of Firebringer's playstyle, just the part where he jokingly claims scum (her account creation was motivated by Firebringer based on her signup post). The rest of her playstyle seems true to her usual self.

[Oblivion]

tbh I think Firebagel decided her entrance into this game before she even got her role PM because her account is a play off of Firebringer, who is known for claiming scum every game

But thanks for answering, that seems like a believable thought process at least

wait, it thought those connections were just jokes based on the name, is the account really actually a joke account trying to mirror firebringer's playersytle?

I don't think she's trying to mimic all of Firebringer's playstyle, just the part where he jokingly claims scum (her account creation was motivated by Firebringer based on her signup post). The rest of her playstyle seems true to her usual self.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Let it process that. It doesn't think this changes its model of her at all but still this isn't something it knew.

[Lukewarm]

On one hand I feel like I need to reread this game to get a solid scum read of my own, and on the other hand I want to just wait for morph to do all the work for me and break out their super duper color coded entire player list read list

But either way, I don't currently know where I want my vote to be, and it feels stale where it is.

You that confident morph is town?

I do think that morph is town, but that post was not to say that I wanted the reads list to blindly sheep. But I wanted their eventual Sych-Achieved Cases to look at to determine which I agree with and which I don't, because that becomes a much more manageable amount of work to determine who I want to kill in a game of this size.

Did you read its interaction with them where it asked for top 3 town and top scum?

Yes, and I already agreed with their town reads.

Their reason on Spiff for the "cred trade" did nothing for me.

And their klick/sunflower comment was made, but not expounded upon.

Once they finally decide who they want to kill, I am expecting an annotated bibliography on why their top scum reads are scum, which is more what I was saying I was looking forward to.

[Hermit Crab]

The whole cred trade push thing was weird from literally anyone townreading AD lol

[Lukewarm]

I was scum reading action dan at the time (this read has mellowed with time), and it still did not resonate with me.

[morph the cat]

Tiered list. Not ready to write a book.

This is a fferylist. Slots where neuterhalf and I have opinions and are not yet synced are noted.

{Hermit Crab, Luke}
{Marci, Oblivion, Dunn}
{CSF, YdraHydra, Bagel(?)} spayhalf has YdraHydra here, neuterhalf has them lower. Neuterhalf has Pooky in this tier.
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{Brian Skies, ActionDan, Gypyx, Firebringer, Pooky*} Surprised Brian is in this group, but this feels right to me. neuterhalf has him lower
{Dannflor, Spiffeh} On top of other stuff in the thread, I feel like Spiffeh is reaching with his appeal for us to townread him based on mindmeld :/
{Klick, Sunflower}
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Not enough content yet for a call

{STD, SirCakez, Bingle, PenguinPower*}

PenguinPower being present and voting but not poking around at all is nearly enough concern to put him in one of the two lower groups under the first line.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i think that town!klick is capable of finding scum!me. he did it very well recently

i think regardless of alignment he knows that he doesn't have reason to think im scum here

the difference is that i think if he's town he would also know that if we're both town there's a decent chance we can find each other. the fact that he doesn't have reason to think im scum would make him doubt. im on the other side here, not fully confident that klick is scum, and that makes me question AD and marci

the way that his reads on AD and marci progressed from hesitancy/uncertainty to full-on confidence isn't supported and just isn't really believable to me coming from town!klick

this is what i mean by calling the play positional.

i think that those reads became solidified out of necessity

and not out of justified reason. and i don't think that's how town!klick plays

Thinking about this some more, why would scum!Klick feel the need to narrow his PoE within the hood down to you?

[morph the cat]

On one hand I feel like I need to reread this game to get a solid scum read of my own, and on the other hand I want to just wait for morph to do all the work for me and break out their super duper color coded entire player list read list

But either way, I don't currently know where I want my vote to be, and it feels stale where it is.

You that confident morph is town?

How confident are you?

[Firebagel]

tbh I think Firebagel decided her entrance into this game before she even got her role PM because her account is a play off of Firebringer, who is known for claiming scum every game

But thanks for answering, that seems like a believable thought process at least

wait, it thought those connections were just jokes based on the name, is the account really actually a joke account trying to mirror firebringer's playersytle?

I don't think she's trying to mimic all of Firebringer's playstyle, just the part where he jokingly claims scum (her account creation was motivated by Firebringer based on her signup post). The rest of her playstyle seems true to her usual self.

Yeah, I don't know Firebringer well enough to actually keep it up, but that was definitely the idea.

But what is my 'usual' playstyle? Does Oblivion seem accurate in describing it from what it's seen here?

[Firebringer]

ust the part where he jokingly claims scum

Jokes on you, I am always telling the truth.

[Brian Skies]

Except when you aren't.

[Firebringer]

Name one time i lied about being scum.

[Firebringer]

I bleed red therefore my role pm is red. The mod can't tell me otherwise

[Brian Skies]

Name one time i lied about being scum.

Pretty much every game I've played with you.

[Firebringer]

Can't you see me in this fancy mafioso suit and cigar, i am definitely a mobster.

[Brian Skies]

So now you're even dressing the part.