Shell Game (Night 2)

[Dannflor]

@sunflowers and Klick, do either of you have an opinion about my alignment yet

[Cephrir]

VC 1.7

Firebringer 5 (Dannflor, Shello, Penguin, Sunflower, CSF)
STD 3 (Hermit, Pooky, Brian Skies)
Dannflor 3 (Firebagel, Firebringer, STD)
marcistar 2 (ActionDan, Bingle)
Firebagel 2 (Dunnstral, Lukewarm)
Sunflower 2 (Klick, Spiffeh)
Spiffeh 1 (Gypyx)

Not voting (Oblivion, SirCakez, marcistar, morph)

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to fire a player into the sun.

Deadline: (expired on 2024-05-09 04:07:00)

[Spiffeh]

@skitter But yes, I can understand how that would be off-putting to them (morph) and you, especially coming off of Touhou and I am probably just going to lay off and let them do their thing moving forward.

Around the time the dethy neighborhood was revealed, I was able to cement a lot of strong town reads based off the the discussion surrounding it, one of which was morph. I have previously adored being Town with ffery specifically so I really wanted them to be Town in this game too. I had townread things prior to it but was still mixed overall until their reaction to the dethy.

Almost immediately upon my renewed confidence of their Townitude they pull a 180 of their opinion on me because of my stated Townread on ActionDan, thinking I am using my “cred” to try to save him as my scumbuddy. I did not and still do not understand this line of thought and it kind of demoralized me. Further still when in ffery’s listed reads I am the lowest outside of the dethy neighborhood and ActionDan wasn’t below the null line (iirc) so their only vocalized point against me no longer seems to apply.

Unless I missed it when skimming the last 10-15 pages:
They have not further explained their thought process despite my repeated asking at the time
They have not engaged me much (or really at all?) after this moment
They have ignored the multiple players they are townreading in the thread saying that the cred trade line of thought makes no sense
They no longer seem to even be scumreading ActionDan if ffery’s reads list is to be believed?

So it was/is frustrating to me that as soon as I thought we’ve found each other they jettison any semblance of a Town read on me for a, frankly, ridiculous argument without yet doing any of the due diligence I’d expect from them listed above.

So I’ve resorted to being snarky and trying to force them to engage with me, which hasn’t really worked and is probably unfair.

PEdit: this was @skitter and phone posted so sorry if there are any format or autocorrect errors.

[marcistar]

Why arent u calling morph scum for that then? It seems like you think theyre engaging in bad faith?

[Firebagel]

LET THE VOTES ROLL IN

Oh this is too tempting

VOTE: Firebringer

[Spiffeh]

Because I think it is fueled by their paranoia of me from a recently completed completed scum game where I ate Cabd for breakfast

I don’t find it scum indicative and like I said, they were bleeding Town during the dethy reveal

[marcistar]

Are you that good as scum? I thought cabd couldnt be fooled by anyone?

[Spiffeh]

Lol

It was anonymous which helped me significantly

[morph the cat]

Almost immediately upon my renewed confidence of their Townitude they pull a 180 of their opinion on me because of my stated Townread on ActionDan, thinking I am using my “cred” to try to save him as my scumbuddy. I did not and still do not understand this line of thought and it kind of demoralized me. Further still when in ffery’s listed reads I am the lowest outside of the dethy neighborhood and ActionDan wasn’t below the null line (iirc) so their only vocalized point against me no longer seems to apply.

I'm hesitant to lower my guard with you but I do reevaluate a LOT and some of the reevaluations are gestalts. In fact your post that set both of us off was a gestalt moment. Although I'm not scumreading ActionDan, the way you defended him pinged because it felt off from every vibe I'd gotten up to that point. If you're town, I'm confident we'll get there because we usually do get there in our large games.

[marcistar]

But im still slughtly confused

That big post seems like discrediting morphs thoughts without actually pushing them.

Was the dephy stuff really such a shining star?

[marcistar]

Whats a gestalt

[morph the cat]

Also, I think you're putting too much weight on our mindmelding.

[Shello and Goodbye]

I need to mull it over but i think i like 1902

~ skitter

[morph the cat]

Whats a gestalt

It's where the whole of a concept, structure, etc., is way more unified than the sum of the parts. Not just greater, more meaningful, more cohesive, makes more sense.

When I have a gestalt moment in a game, it's usually because one post brings everything else a player has posted into deeper focus, OR because that one post shatters the concept I'd drawn from earlier posts and suggests something else entirely is going on.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do you give any weight to the mix up?

I do not

I mostly read gypyx by how comfortable she is interacting with the thread and she doesn't feel nearly as comfortable from what I remember in dance game

[morph the cat]

Do you give any weight to the mix up?

I do not

I mostly read gypyx by how comfortable she is interacting with the thread and she doesn't feel nearly as comfortable from what I remember in dance game

Samsies.

[morph the cat]

I thought cabd couldnt be fooled by anyone?

JSYK this is absolute bullshit and really annoys me when people say this. I'm just as fallible as anyone else. I have LTO games, and I have Koishi games, and everything in between. My playstyle just makes the victories seem outsized.

[Spiffeh]

If you're town, I'm confident we'll get there because we usually do get there in our large games.

This is why I've decided to get over myself and just let it be.

[Hermit Crab]

Don’t worry folks, I will lead us to defeat

[Lukewarm]

Do you give any weight to the mix up?

I do not

I mostly read gypyx by how comfortable she is interacting with the thread and she doesn't feel nearly as comfortable from what I remember in dance game

I guess there can be some meta things that I am missing, I think that the only game I have ever played with her was touhou, which was an anon game, so dont actually have any experience in how she plays on her main.

[Bingle]

Bingle, given you have a "legit" scumread of cabd and not much better of me, I'm curious why you're voting Marci atm.

I'm scumreading marci.

[morph the cat]

Whats a gestalt

The dethy reveal was also a gestalt, that illuminated the play/lack of play up to that point of every member of your neighborhood.

[morph the cat]

Do you give any weight to the mix up?

I do not

I mostly read gypyx by how comfortable she is interacting with the thread and she doesn't feel nearly as comfortable from what I remember in dance game

I guess there can be some meta things that I am missing, I think that the only game I have ever played with her was touhou, which was an anon game, so dont actually have any experience in how she plays on her main.

Obviously this is YEARS ago and she has improved in leaps and bounds by then, but in Cakez' Tenet game, we literally wrote her posts for her in the scum PT because she was so nervous in a player list of big names. (Of course, that game was somewhat of an outlier given we as a scum team built an entire discord server with multiple channels and sub-groups to do all the misting that was needed for it)

That scum team was Ceph-Pooky-Gypyx-Cabd-LLD-Spiffeh, so a LOT of us that are playing now got a first person up close and personal view of her scumgame there.

[Hermit Crab]

I just really want my Pooky foam finger

[Spiffeh]

But im still slughtly confused

That big post seems like discrediting morphs thoughts without actually pushing them.

Was the dephy stuff really such a shining star?

I think scum have a VERY hard time making that "realization" seem genuine and natural like they did. This coupled with the immediate transition into town locking certain players for their reactions to it (most of which I agreed with) felt very pro-Town.

I also liked them harping on Pooky for not understanding and them ultimately coming around to a Pooky townread based on his response.

I know ffery says I am overstating the mindmeld but the above is what sold me.