In post 2597, Hermit Crab wrote:
While I'm aware that Chuck head played plenty of games with morph before, if you wonderful folks could add some explanation of why some of the past games are mentioned and how they relate to the reads, I would be much obliged. Unless they are hidden on purpose. Then crabshrug
-Herr Mitt
Cabd / ffery/ notty like to use past games (and also league of legends references) to talk to each other in a way that theoretically someone on the outside could decipher, but in practice it is likely only going to be understood by the person they are talking to.
Is there a reason you asked the thread, instead of asking notty in your hydra chat? lol
In post 2624, Shello and Goodbye wrote:
So I think this kind of breaks down if there's a traitor in there, so i'm having a hard time seeing forming associative based reads on the hood
I do think marci is a lot more likely to be town in traitor-hood world thob
I'm kinda going back and forth on how I feel abt marci
~ skitter
I agree that marci is almost certainly town if the set up is a traitor.
Recently, I also found the way she called my read a shit read to feel townie.
This is again what drew my attention to you super early in the game, where you appeared to miss the context of pooky's readlist.
It resurfaced with your Sunflower vote in 2099, where:
(1) you used sunflower's comment on hoods being swapped around against him, despite several other people having voiced the same theory, and him not being the the first one to say it. Even in the post you quoted, fire said that he "still" thinks that hood swapping makes sense, indicating that there was a prior discussion about the topic, but you did not follow up on that.
(2) you missed an entire page of people stating that Bingle's claim looked like a joke, and you simply took it at face value. Like, in order for you to make the claim in 2099, it would necessitate you having missed every single one of these posts?
I lose my ability to rearrange hoods if I vote, which will make my wincon of making the alignments of living players in the hoods match really hard to achieve.
I lose my ability to rearrange hoods if I vote, which will make my wincon of making the alignments of living players in the hoods match really hard to achieve.
I lose my ability to rearrange hoods if I vote, which will make my wincon of making the alignments of living players in the hoods match really hard to achieve.
I lose my ability to rearrange hoods if I vote, which will make my wincon of making the alignments of living players in the hoods match really hard to achieve.
I was not sure what to think about the claim, but yeah him voting 2 posts later made me assume that the claim was a joke.
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In post 1844, morph the cat wrote:
I don't agree on a couple of your reads, which should be obvious. Those are the ones I'm mulling. Do you need me to prioritize getting back to you on it? I was going to wait until we have a chance to sync on new data first.
You feeling like you need to talk to cabd, before you could talk to me about my reads seems very out of character for how I think of town!ffery.
Like, our game experience, once you decided that I was town, we have literally started our own in thread neighborhood to work through our thoughts, and that came across as you being hesitant to just chat with me on my throughts despite having me as one of your strongest town reads.
And once you did respond to them with 2084, is felt like there was a lack of bite? Like, it did not feel like you were actually trying to challenge me on the things that you did not agree with me on, to work through the differences. You just kinda *pointed* at places where we differed.
I feel like my posts about your history of timestamps resulted in you posting on the back foot. Like you did not know where it was going, and that worried you.
It actually gave me the opposite vibes of our interaction where I original town read you, because it felt almost like you were worried that it was leading to a read shift from me. It seemed like you wanted to enagage with me to keep a tabs on it, but didn't know the right steps to take because it was an unexpected conversation. And you basically came out and said that it was distracting to you
In post 2127, Dunnstral wrote:
I find the arguments against SirCakez persuasive. The time gap between posts and also how they entered the thread looking like they were ready to solve but then vanished around the time they would have slipped. Also the idea that they would be spending time looking for how they knew that info.
inorite?
Luke do you think there's something to this?
To the cakez stuff? Or to Dunn repeating it back?
Because I am currently voting Cakez
I didn't internalize this because of wondering about your focus on
Note that they JUST saw this exact scenario as scum in Midscummer's, from Dunn/Gif scum hydra against Alisae/Maria town hydra.
This post felt off.
It did not feel like it was engaging in a way to substantiate a new point, but just to egg on my thoughts. Strengthen my read. But still let the point be originating from me.
Spoiler: relevant cabd posts
In post 2293, morph the cat wrote:
Null is always where scum puts morph when we are approaching UTR status.
Calling us scum puts a bunch of heat on from the rest of the folks town reading us and makes them effort a case.
Calling us town means admitting that we have legitimate concerns and having to more directly address and tango.
But calling our well over there hundred posts "null" means having to do neither of those things until forced from a different impetus and allows status quo riding along.
In post 2296, morph the cat wrote:
Sunflower won't case me but if they are town and genuinely scum reading me they think it's perfectly fine to let scum me have thread control for two whole game days. Lol nope.
In post 2297, morph the cat wrote:
(a townie actually scum reading me is shouting that shit from the rooftops and urging the thread to stop following me blindly damn the personal consequences.)
In post 2302, morph the cat wrote:
I mean if you're town and I'm scum it's called playing to your win condition.
In post 2303, morph the cat wrote:
You're once again more worried about the consequences and fallout of pushing me than you are actually wanting to protect the town from a scary deepwolf.
In post 2306, morph the cat wrote:
And I don't think you're a coward as town. So I'm left with the alternative. That you ARE playing to win con it's just not the one I have.
I know that cabd knows that you should not step in the way of a line of questioning, but he did it anyways. And the way that he did it does feel kinda bad faith as dann said. Or as I said
In post 2313, Lukewarm wrote:
this would look a lot like you were trying to get ahead of anything sunflower might have to say, both to demoralize him and to discredit anything he did decide to put out.
That series of posts does set cabd up to either:
If Fireisredsir does not make a case, say "see, I told you he wouldn't do it," or
If fireisredsir does make a case say "He had to put it out there because of my posts saying that its a scum claim not to"
I reserve the right to feel differently in the morning.
In post 2498, Lukewarm wrote:
So heres the thing, I had some cracking worries on morph, but still thought town, and it all kinda ramped up quickly last night.
I hated cabd's peanut gallery -> Typing out all of the things that had worried me actually strengthened them I wrote them -> And then I did not like ffery's response.
In particular her comments about the "engaging with me on my read" which felt like her general mindset of engaging with me is not what her general mindset I associate with town!ffery.
I think a lot of this is more 'ffery is sick' than anything ai tbh
In post 2609, morph the cat wrote:
wrong tab above. I decided not to post that but Dannflor changed my mind with his comment about neuterhalf's self-imposed time-out.
In post 2607, Hermit Crab wrote:
I think that read feels like an easy way to call towb scummy but leave room to backtrack. My immediate reaction was the two are unaligned.
maybe so. she touched right on part of what bugged me about spiffeh especially after our read 180'd.
spiffeh townread me in a dance game where basically ALL of town were scumreading me. The only players besides Spiffeh that I recall offhand expressing townreads were scum. I eventually got paranoid of him
because
he townread me.
skitter was in that game, town, and scumread me all the way to my flip, iirc. firebringer, too. fireisredsir, three. STD four, BELL!!??!! five.
This game dynamic is very, very different. I'm not trying to draw parallels. but it's probably weighing on me in small ways even so.
I'm still mostly reading the ydra head here. It makes sense for town-skitter to be more cautious about reading me here. It probably makes sense for scum-skitter to play it noncommital, too.
Also the bit that really made me suspicious of spiffeh was how he immediately started appealing to you after the 'cred-trade' thing
I feel a little better with how he explained his approach to you in this game but still not sure i'm sold he's town
With that said, I told Chuck today that my marci townread was getting stale and it probably has to do with how much I don't agree with her takes.
Chuck told me to not worry about it and believe. It was great.
Oh also, it will be mostly me this weekend. So I will do my best to speed-burn all the town credit we have saved up in our shell by the end of this weekend, Any%.
That big post seems like discrediting morphs thoughts without actually pushing them.
Was the dephy stuff really such a shining star?
I think scum have a VERY hard time making that "realization" seem genuine and natural like they did. This coupled with the immediate transition into town locking certain players for their reactions to it (most of which I agreed with) felt very pro-Town.
I also liked them harping on Pooky for not understanding and them ultimately coming around to a Pooky townread based on his response.
I know ffery says I am overstating the mindmeld but the above is what sold me.
This is where I'm at with them.
I have experienced a game where scum!cabd crafted a series of crumbs for scum!marci to drop, for him to then spot, point at, call marci lock town for.
Which then garnered both cabd and marci town reads by both town!ffery and town!Notty.
If anyone could pull exactly what you are describing it would be cabd (he has done it before)
That is part of the reason why I think that a scum!morph puts scum!marci back on the table.
But all that being said, the overall reaction to my points leaves me feeling like falling back and letting them lead for the day is the right path.
So I think this kind of breaks down if there's a traitor in there, so i'm having a hard time seeing forming associative based reads on the hood
I do think marci is a lot more likely to be town in traitor-hood world thob
I'm kinda going back and forth on how I feel abt marci
~ skitter
we're townreading her for how she figured out her hood/role, but her reads are really off from ours and makes me wonder about what's happening in her hood as well as how she's getting to some of her non-hood reads. I don't think there's going to be much meeting of the minds with her this game day.
In post 2597, Hermit Crab wrote:
While I'm aware that Chuck head played plenty of games with morph before, if you wonderful folks could add some explanation of why some of the past games are mentioned and how they relate to the reads, I would be much obliged. Unless they are hidden on purpose. Then crabshrug
-Herr Mitt
Notsci initiated it. I assume I understand, but I also assume he's already discussed the same stuff with you and that you ok'd sharing with us, since he said this:
In post 2150, Hermit Crab wrote:
So. Now that I have been greenlit to start fully working with you two, advancing the gamestate is warranted. I’ve been putting in a lot of thought about our hood in particular, and I would really love to give a penny for both of your thoughts.
In post 2191, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I also think it was suspect that Brian Skies didn't react to the cakez thing at all. I think he might've been the only player around the time to post but not comment on it, but instead voted firebringer.
The whole thing about timestamps and whatnot has never been something that's been in my repertoire, so I don't know why anyone would be expecting a reaction from me.
As far as I'm concerned, we're lucky to get any Cakez at all considering he should still be on V/LA.
In post 2191, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I also think it was suspect that Brian Skies didn't react to the cakez thing at all. I think he might've been the only player around the time to post but not comment on it, but instead voted firebringer.
The whole thing about timestamps and whatnot has never been something that's been in my repertoire, so I don't know why anyone would be expecting a reaction from me.
As far as I'm concerned, we're lucky to get any Cakez at all considering he should still be on V/LA.
