Mini 663 - Mind Screw Mafia II - Over

[Tarhalindur]

Point of Order!

"I am Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile. Your life, as it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will service us."

The Fifth Vote Count (aka the "I'm Bored, You Get A Vote Count" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

iamausername (1) - MafiaSSK
malthusis (0)
Jebus (0)
dahill1 (2) - Wall-E, Cyberbob
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (1) - Natirasha
Wall-E (4) - DragonsofSummer, malthusis, dahill1
Battousai (1) - iamausername
Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:36 pm (1) - Jebus

Not Voting (2): DrippingGoofball, Battousai

Votes required to lynch: ???

FoS Count:

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Jebus (0)
dahill1 (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (1) - Jebus, malthusis
Battousai (0)

Current Deadline:

???

End Point of Order!

[Wall-E]

In case it's not evident to someone: I'd like to point out that unvoting will not remove votes. Let's all be careful with votes.

[Wall-E]

Jebus has not answered my question despite having an opportunity. Jebus if you don't answer I will FoS you.

[Cyberbob]

Jebus has not answered my question despite having an opportunity. Jebus if you don't answer I will FoS you.

You do realise that this is not much of a threat, right? I'm pretty sure FoSes don't count for anything unless there is a tie in the voting.

[Wall-E]

Jebus has not answered my question despite having an opportunity. Jebus if you don't answer I will FoS you.

You do realise that this is not much of a threat, right? I'm pretty sure FoSes don't count for anything unless there is a tie in the voting.

1) Normally I'd vote, but as those seem to be particularly volatile in this game, I'm going to stick to the (hopefully) tamer practice of casting a suspicious finger.

2) As you say, it DOES count for something.

3) For all we know, being that this is crazyland, an FoS holds some (further) power (I hope I'm wrong).

As a test:

Unvote

[Wall-E]

FoS: Wall-E

[iamausername]

Wall-E is acting very strangly with his votes, but seems to be not scummy. I'm thinking maybe he could be a Jester?

Unvote, Vote: malthusis

[dahill1]

I just realized the flaw with your logic, dahill1.

I voted for Cyberbob for starting a bandwagon with no stated reason. Translation: I approve of bandwagons so long as they have a stated reason.

I hope that is clearer. Now that you've strawman'd me and I've pointed out the flaw in your strawman I'll give you a chance to respond or retract your stance before I FoS you.

ok, first off, i can see your reason now for voting Cyberbob. IMO you just didn't make it clear enough before, but that's just from my perspective. however, i still dislike this post for a couple of reasons. i thought it was obvious that i was talking about all types of Day 1 bandwagons, whether they be random or not. i only found out you were talking about non-random ones in this post, yet you accuse me of strawmanning. i especially don't like this next sentence:

I'll give you a chance to respond or retract your stance before I FoS you.

i can't put my finger on why yet, but it seems scummy to me

Wall-E is acting very strangly with his votes, but seems to be not scummy. I'm thinking maybe he could be a Jester?

Unvote, Vote: malthusis

also QFT

unvote vote malthusis

first of all, what do you mean by acting strangely? that normally implies some sort of scumminess, but in the next part you say he's not scummy..
and then you mention the possibility of a Jester... *sigh*

[MafiaSSK]

You should always claim Jester immeadietly if your a Jester.

[Cyberbob]

I'm still giggling at the fact that Wall-E thought my vote on dahill wasn't random, to be honest.

[Cyberbob]

EBWOP:

Two votes doth not a bandwagon make (this was before the whole votes-not-being-removed mechanic was discovered, remember), and I'd be very interested in your explanation for how you arrived at the conclusion that I was attempting to get other people on board.

[Jebus]

You should always claim Jester immeadietly if your a Jester.

Why would you ever claim Jester if your goal is to be lynched?

[Wall-E]

I'm still giggling at the fact that Wall-E thought my vote on dahill wasn't random, to be honest.

I never said it wasn't. All I said was that you added your vote to mine. I was actually giving you the benefit of assuming you were paying attention to who you voted for and how many votes that person had on them. Are you now saying you weren't?

EBWOP:

Two votes doth not a bandwagon make (this was before the whole votes-not-being-removed mechanic was discovered, remember), and I'd be very interested in your explanation for how you arrived at the conclusion that I was attempting to get other people on board.

I planned from the very first time I voted dahill1 to vote for anyone who joined in. Are you accusing me of something? State it simply and directly. I'm a robot: I have no feelings to hurt (actually I just don't get offended easily but it sounds cooler that way).

FoS: Jebus

for ignoring a simple question.

For the stupid people (me): Why are folks voting for malthusius and why or why shouldn't I join in?

[iamausername]

You should always

claim Jester immeadietly

stop distracting the town from scumhunting by talking about a Jester that most likely doesn't exist if your a

Jester

townie.

Fixed.

That's pretty much the answer to your last question, Wall-E.

[Wall-E]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Tarhalindur]

Point of Order!

"There was no reason for me to stay in the real world any longer. In the real world, it didn't matter if I was there or not. When I realized that, I was no longer afraid of losing my body."

The Sixth Vote Count (aka the "Check the Vote Counts Carefully - There May Be Anomalies" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

iamausername (1) - MafiaSSK
malthusis (2) - iamausername, dahill1
Jebus (0)
dahill1 (1) - Cyberbob
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (1) - Natirasha
Wall-E (3) - DragonsofSummer, malthusis
Battousai (0)
Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:36 pm (1) - Jebus

Not Voting (3): DrippingGoofball, Battousai, Wall-E

Votes required to lynch: ???

FoS Count:

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Jebus (0)
dahill1 (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (2) - Jebus, malthusis, Wall-E
Battousai (0)

Current Deadline:

???

End Point of Order!

[Wall-E]

My possible explainations:

Votes fade slowly away (This one seems kinda unlikely but possible)

Some people's votes are permanent (I hope this one is true because it might be a way of finding scum, though I doubt it is true for that very reason... maybe vanilla votes are permanent?)

We need to figure out this voting thing. I propose everyone votes for the person above them on the list and then immediately unvotes that person in a second post. Obviously the downside to this plan is some people might get a permanent vote on them, but it's only one so I think it's an acceptable trade. Thoughts?

[Wall-E]

Other anomalies: There have been three "fourth vote count" s. Jebus got a vote from nowhere dated and timestamped at the time of the second "fourth vote count"

[iamausername]

unvote
Vote: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:36 pm

I'm confused now, but lets see where random experimenting can get mE.

It's the other way round; the date and time got a vote from Jebus. Obviously.

p.s. Tar makes votecount errors all the time. It's always worth asking if they're deliberate.

So, mod: Wall-E is listed as having three votes, but only two people are apparently voting for him. Also, 'Not Voting' is listed as one vote, but three names. Does the omniscient see an error?

The Fifth and Sixth Vote Counts have been repaired. - Tar

[Wall-E]

Weird.

Vote: Corn Chips

[iamausername]

So, apparently one of malthusis or Dragons of Summer is a double voter.

[dahill1]

Wall-E: you can vote for anyone and it will show up in the VC. i don't think that's significant to the game. the only anomaly i see is that the number of Wall-E's votes are switched with his number of FoS's.

Wall-E (3) - DragonsofSummer, malthusis

<snip>

Wall-E (2) - Jebus, malthusis, Wall-E

[Wall-E]

Good eye, dahill1.

[iamausername]

Oh yeah, didn't notice the FoS count being wrong too. Might just be another error, might be that FoSing yourself doesn't count.

FoS: iamausername

to test.

[Wall-E]

Uh, maybe not. Check out vote count five's tallys:

Vote Count:

Wall-E (4) - DragonsofSummer, malthusis, dahill1

FoS Count:

Wall-E (1) - Jebus, malthusis