Mafia 87 - New Age Mafia - Game Over!

[ribwich]

I wouldn't really call what's happening right now to be rolefishing though. It's still not helpful to the town, but as long as nobody's stupid enough to go "Okay, I won't protect anybody because you think I'm an insane doc." it shouldn't provide any help to the scum.

I've never even heard of an insane doctor, but I'm assuming that means they think they're a doctor but everyone they protect actually dies instead. So, they're basically a vigilante that thinks they're a doctor? In that case, I would think there's no chance that they know from PM about this. What would be the point in calling them a doctor then?

Using Caboose algorithm for psychoanalysis of posts, I have determined that, without a doubt, al4xz is scum.

How did I miss this?

Vote: al4xz

[ribwich]

EBWOP:

Unvote
Vote: al4xz

[iamausername]

There's also the 'CPR doctor', who protects his target if someone tries to kill them, but kills them if no one else tries to. It would actually make sense to tell that kind of doctor what they are.

[Incognito]

Vote Count #1 of Day 1

Vi (1) -- Juls
al4xz (3) -- Caboose, iamausername, ribwich
Scheherazade (1) -- strife220
ribwich (1) -- Jazzmyn
TAX (1) -- DoomCow
DoomCow (1) -- TAX
Caboose (1) -- al4xz

Not Voting (7) -- Vi, Scheherazade, Der Hammer, Percy, BobHiggs, Gerrendus, ZazieR

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch!

[al4xz]

Vote Count #1 of Day 1

Vi (1) -- Juls
al4xz (3) -- Caboose, iamausername, ribwich
Scheherazade (1) -- strife220
ribwich (1) -- Jazzmyn
TAX (1) -- DoomCow
DoomCow (1) -- TAX

Not Voting (8) -- Vi, Scheherazade, Der Hammer, al4xz, Percy, BobHiggs, Gerrendus, ZazieR

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch!

Quick note - I'm voting for Caboose.

Fixed. Thanks. - Incog-Co-Mod.

[ribwich]

There's also the 'CPR doctor', who protects his target if someone tries to kill them, but kills them if no one else tries to. It would actually make sense to tell that kind of doctor what they are.

That sounds like an awful role to have.

Looking at who died though, I think it's much more likely we aren't dealing with one of these kinds of doctors. It looks to me that farside22 was the mafia pick, curiouskarmadog tried protecting scum and got killed for it, and Xtoxm got killed by some third party.

Just of curiosity, if curiouskarmadog had tried to protect Xtoxm, would Xtoxm have not died then?

[Caboose]

Vote Count #1 of Day 1

Vi (1) -- Juls
al4xz (3) -- Caboose, iamausername, ribwich
Scheherazade (1) -- strife220
ribwich (1) -- Jazzmyn
TAX (1) -- DoomCow
DoomCow (1) -- TAX

Not Voting (8) -- Vi, Scheherazade, Der Hammer, al4xz, Percy, BobHiggs, Gerrendus, ZazieR

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch!

Quick note - I'm voting for Caboose.

Fixed. Thanks. - Incog-Co-Mod.

OMGUSer.

[ribwich]

Well obviously he wants to get you lynched since your mathematical abilities make it so that town will win automatically.

[Juls]

We probably don't want to over look the possibility that there may be 3 killing groups or people. The weak doctor could have protected an innocent and got killed by another person/group. I think the assumption is flying around that he got killed for protecting scum.

[strife220]

We probably don't want to look over the fact that discussing the set-up is in now way beneficial to town at this point.

My vote on Scheher is non-random

Who could have killed the scum player, out of curiosity? Wracking my brain, a serial killer, an insane/CPR doctor, a vigilante-type or a different faction of scum come to mind.

I think scum would be more likely to say this than town, and I'm surprised nobody seems to agree.

[Scheherazade]

Sorry, I thought the advantage in alerting possible insane/CPR doctors to their condition and the advantage given by trying to open up the game, so that we don't all assume something.

[Caboose]

We probably don't want to look over the fact that discussing the set-up is in now way beneficial to town at this point.

My vote on Scheher is non-random

Who could have killed the scum player, out of curiosity? Wracking my brain, a serial killer, an insane/CPR doctor, a vigilante-type or a different faction of scum come to mind.

I think scum would be more likely to say this than town, and I'm surprised nobody seems to agree.

I would agree with you... if Scheher wan't new to MS. When I first joined only about 2 months ago, I thought it would be best to guess the setup as well (and I was town my first game here), but I have learned otherwise since then. So, I think that it's a null tell in this case.

[ribwich]

I'm a little lost here. Why would discussing the possibility of serial killers and second mafia groups be unhelpful to town?

[Juls]

I think the concern is talking about pro-town roles. Initially I thought my post was harmless but I guess saying "killing groups" does not preclude pro-town killing groups. I will not mention it again. We should definately not be talking about any setups that could lead to revealing pro-town roles for fear it will give the scum players information.

[ribwich]

Okay, that makes sense. I will quit talking about it then.

[Der Hammer]

good start with the goon being killed.

have I missed something or is their a reason why insane doctor has even been mentioned yet

Vote:Percy

[al4xz]

good start with the goon being killed.

have I missed something or is their a reason why insane doctor has even been mentioned yet

Vote:Percy

Read the damned thread, goddamnit.

[ZazieR]

Juls, you forget that it's way unlikely that the goon was killed by a pro-town powerrole. The only one who could do so is a vig, and if a vig killed the goon then he's stupid as the chance of hitting town was way higher than hitting town.
Also, it would be strange if we would have two docs. I at least never have seen two docs in one game.

Which probably leaves a second scum group and/or a SK.
Although it's better to scumhunt, it could also be good to know which enemies we have.

Strife, what could scum gain from the answers of the question that Scheza asked?

[Juls]

I realize it's unlikely but it is interesting that 3 roles were hit during the night phase. It makes me wonder if there is not an abundance of roles this game.

And I agree with strife. The wording of Sche's comment is very interesting. Initially I did not catch it but he was interested in who killed the

scum player

.

FoS: Schezerazade

[ZazieR]

Then why not a vote?

[Juls]

I'd rather not start a wagon until I hear what he and others have to say about it.

[ZazieR]

So you don't want to start a bandwagon for someone you see as scummy, while it would only be the second vote with 9 votes needed to lynch?

There have already been some players who should have read Strife's post, but didn't gave any comments about it with the exception of Caboose.

Also, weren't you doing the same as Scheza? Then why FoS him for it?
Besides, he already explained something.

[Juls]

No I don't think I did the same as sche. I was thinking in terms of non pro-town roles but then I realized that what I was saying could possibly lead to talk about pro-town roles. This is concurrently my first game (3 ongoing) and admittedly I have not learned ALL the possible roles.

Also, I am not convinced that Sche is scum yet. I believe the point of FoS is that you think that something they said is suspicious but aren't completely convinced of their scumminess yet. Is that not correct?

[ribwich]

And I agree with strife. The wording of Sche's comment is very interesting. Initially I did not catch it but he was interested in who killed the scum player.

I don't see where the issue is with this. There's already good odds in the favor of us knowing what happened to the other two players. Xtoxm is the only one that we're really unsure about. And like ZazieR said, the odds of it being a pro town role is very slim unless that person was playing dumb.

And why are you so afraid of putting a vote now? Votes can put pressure on people, and it's a good way to get scumtells to come out. I may be partially biased though because I've never liked using FoS, but I think votes are a much better way to get your point across.

For making what I feel are invalid claims on someone and then not even really voting for them out of fear of making a bandwagon (and to help show that votes accomplish more than FoS's)

Unvote: al4xz Vote: Juls

[iamausername]

There are valid reasons for a vigilante to kill on Night 0, and this should not be discussed any further, because more people saying how stupid it is for a vig to kill on N0 just narrows down the scum's search if it turns out a vig

did

kill N0, since they can assumably rule those people out.

Juls, do you think being named after a text editor is a more valid reason for a vote than whatever it is you're FoSing Zade for?