Mini 708 - Cheat Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Electra]

@Electra: If someone said they were a death miller, I wouldn't believe them for a second. Not only is the role extremely rare, people don't usually know about it.

Better to know now, then later, also, if you believe this and have a good argument about it, you should have waited until they responded, and use it as a trap.

(Also, there's a claimed death miller in a game I'm in right now. The one with three claimed millers.)

[malthusis]

EBWOP:

Mod: Prod Mana_Ku. She hasn't posted yet.

[malthusis]

@Electra: One can claim death miller but not be death miller (In my experience of reading old games when I'm bored, I've read 55 or so games with only 1 death miller being real (Happy Tree Friends))

[iLord]

Awakening! (Day 1)

One of the students has fallen asleep as well! We can't have that!

And so a shoe flys across the room and bounces off the student's head.

Mana_Ku has been prodded.

--------------------------------------------

Vote Count the Third:

Natirasha (2): Der Hammer, sirdanilot
Electra (1): Animorpherv1
GhostWriter (1): malthusis
Animorpherv1 (1): Electra

[Electra]

General mod questions that are probably useful to other town members:

Is there only one test, or is there one test per day?

There is only one test.

What are the points where you can PM test answers? Can you PM answers during the night? Roles are updated at the beginning of each night phase?

You can PM answers whenever you want, but answer sheets will only be updated at the end of each day.

How long do alerts last? Until a cheater is caught?

Alerts disappear when the player you have your alert on tries to cheat off of you. Then you lose that alert. You may change your alerts whenever you want.

You can only cheat at night? Can you update your answer sheet at night, get a night action, and use it?

Yes, you can only cheat at night. Answer sheets are updated at the end of each day.

I think that's it...

[iLord]

Class Protocol (Day 1)

Among the class, discussions spring up about what could be done. Answers are whispered back.

-------------------------------------------------

Vote Count the Third:

Natirasha (2): Der Hammer, sirdanilot
Electra (1): Animorpherv1
GhostWriter (1): malthusis
Animorpherv1 (1): Electra

[Natirasha]

K, so...um...yeah.

[Mana_Ku]

Two miller claims
now we only need one death miller claim and what do we get?

I'm not gonna focus on those claims yet. I've seen to what it can lead. Eventually, it comes down to their play.

I'm sketched out by miller claims, as in one of my other games, we have three claimed millers. If anyone is reading that game, then it could be a scum gambit easily.

You may not answer the above riddle .

The only reason Nat claimed is because she claimed miller. This might have caused problems later on when cops start investigating.

You only mentioned Nat, why not DH?

Electra, why a different approach in this game than ... (I hope you know which game I'm talking about. But I can tell you, it's not the 3 miller game)

Vote Malthusis

Here's your answer. Prove that I can trust you. Perhaps then we'll discuss things further.

[malthusis]

I didn't mention DH because he wasn't even nessecarily sure he was a miller in he first place.

[sirdanilot]

K, so...um...yeah.

What? Why do you post something this pointless? I asked you a question. Stop acting anti-town and do something. Reply to my question as soon as possible. I am still feeling confident having my vote on you right now.

I have never played with you, but I've heard and read a bit so I am going to repeat my question so you will have to respond to it.

"What do you think about amorpher's claim? And the counter claim?" -sirdanilot

Answer.

Becuase they did, actually, I thought we would be starting a mass claim thing. oops.

Do you really think that's a valid reason?

fos animorpher

That was pretty anti-town, you know.

I didn't mention DH because he wasn't even nessecarily sure he was a miller in he first place.

Urgh, I'm the teachers pet...also a miller?

With 'also a miller' he probably meant that he was surprised that Natirasha is also a miller, as well as he is. At least, that's how I read it, if DH wants to clarify that, please be my guest DH.

[Mana_Ku]

SirD already showed you why it's likely that DH claimed miller as well. Did you miss this?
And I was wondering, how many answers have you already been given and by whom?

[malthusis]

Why do you want to know how many answers I have? How will that help you?

[VisMaior]

Do you really think that's a valid reason? fos animorpher That was pretty anti-town, you know.

Say what?

FOS sirandalot

[Dattebayo]

And I was wondering, how many answers have you already been given and by whom?

Do you really think that's a valid reason? fos animorpher That was pretty anti-town, you know.

I actually went through the same thought process, but I caught myself before I claimed.

[Dattebayo]

That was really messed up sorry.

And I was wondering, how many answers have you already been given and by whom?

I second this question.

Do you really think that's a valid reason? fos animorpher That was pretty anti-town, you know.

I actually went through the same thought process, but I caught myself before I claimed.

[animorpherv1]

@ danilot

I know now, it was a plain mistake. It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.

unvote vote, sirdanilot

I'm sure your either a lyncher or scum.

[Natirasha]

K, so...um...yeah.

"What do you think about amorpher's claim? And the counter claim?" -sirdanilot

I am skeptical of ani's claim, but I find it possible for there to be other millers.

[sirdanilot]

@ danilot

I know now, it was a plain mistake. It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.

unvote vote, sirdanilot

I'm sure your either a lyncher or scum.

...

I'm going to stay reasonable and calm here, and explain to you why this reasoning is very bad.

"I know now, it was a plain mistake." - Try to move yourself into my perspective. How can I be so sure that it was a plain mistake? You are playing the newbie card here, amorpher. I don't buy the newbie card, ever. A 'mistake' or 'inexperiencedness' is no excuse to do anti town or scummy things.

"It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched." - Firstly, I did not vote you yet with that post. Secondly, lynches aren't the same as votes. Don't mix them up like that. Thirdly, what if I was voting you? I couldn't be sure at all that you'd be town. What do you expect me to do when I see something scummy or anti town. I point it out, and it looks to me like I did well. It looks to me like you're deliberately trying to make it look like you work from the assumption that you are town and find anyone voting you scummy simply because you are know that you are town yourself. What tells me that you're not scum trying to fake that effect? This is a huge scum tell, you know.

unvote, vote animorpherv1

I will summarize my reasoning.

1. Claiming without reasoning.
2. Saying that the claim was a plain mistake, implying we should get over it.
3. "It looks to me as if your trying to get me lynched.", while I wasn't voting for him at the time. In fact, that statement in itself is scummy enough, anyone is able to see that.

I am skeptical of ani's claim, but I find it possible for there to be other millers.

Could you define 'skeptical', and take into account the case that I have in this very post against him? Could you elaborate on how you agree and disagree on my points?
If you find it possible for there to be other millers, what do you think about DH voting you for claiming miller? He is clearly not sharing your view.

[sirdanilot]

Do you really think that's a valid reason? fos animorpher That was pretty anti-town, you know.

Say what?

FOS sirandalot

Could you elaborate on your reasoning to FoS me, since you just FoSed without any reasoning whatsoever.

I actually went through the same thought process, but I caught myself before I claimed.

What are you trying to say with this?

[Electra]

I think animorph is just new... I don't see any reason for scum to claim/fake claim so early.

@ Mana_Ku - what game? what approach? xD

[sirdanilot]

I think animorph is just new... I don't see any reason for scum to claim/fake claim so early.

@ Mana_Ku - what game? what approach? xD

Refer to this, electra.

"I know now, it was a plain mistake." - Try to move yourself into my perspective. How can I be so sure that it was a plain mistake? You are playing the newbie card here, amorpher. I don't buy the newbie card, ever. A 'mistake' or 'inexperiencedness' is no excuse to do anti town or scummy things.

The newbie card is never, ever, ever an excuse. Do you know why, electra? Because it can be faked. It cannot be controlled. It's an out of game influence. I expect anyone, even newbies, to be able to play the game, since this is not a newbie game, this is a mini theme game. You are just helping him to hide behind his newbishness.

[Xtoxm]

How, exactly, is claiming scummy?

[animorpherv1]

Actually, you could call me new to MS Mafia. I'm just getting used to the pace of certain games.

#2 was correct. It

was

a plain mistake and you

should

get over it

[Natirasha]

Oh, I thought ani was the other miller. Well, then. Yeah, I think his claim is true, if not enitirely town. It sounds like a scum gambit I employ.

[pacman281292]

hmm... me confused:
Nat, ani and possibly someone else (?) claims miller. Stupid scum claim, but a role that is frustrating when there exist cops.
ani and sirdan start bickering.
hmm...
I don't know who is scummier... and now a wagon on ani is forming on page 2...
ouch.
I have a worse problem: I'll have extremely limited access Nov 22 - 31, and no access Dec 1 - 9...