NatirashaL
Natirasha [43] wrote:<snip>EmpTyger, I understand you hate self voting, me, and jokeclaiming, but are you serious.
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Natirasha, I understand you hate finding mafia, me, and protown behavior, but are you serious
Natirasha for real:
Now, we’re in a strict deadline situation, so, let’s skip the unhelpful timewasting banter and cut right to the chase. Yes, I am familiar with your so-called meta. It is irrelevant.
The town cannot win if it tolerates antitown behavior.
Especially with strict deadlines. This isn’t personal. This has nothing to do with your pattern of behavior. (Except perhaps so far as my lack of patience in dealing with you). This is solely about this game- and how in this game you are so far not helping the town. And if you don’t help the town, I will vote you.
If you prefer: my “meta” is to always vote self-voters who show no inclination of helping the town under a strict deadline situation. My “meta” > your “meta”.
(Even if I did the extreme step of playing exclusively to my “meta”- to only vote self-voters who show no inclination of helping the town under a strict deadline situation, and also to meanwhile do nothing else helpful. Even that would be better than your “meta”.)
SC:
The ultimatum is because we are under a deadline situation and I see no advantage in waiting. Why do you think an unhelpful player should be tolerated?
Zakeri:
Zakeri [40] wrote:Another thing to add - if the Three vigs all claim, there's only a 2/3 chance that the town will get one shot off, and a 1/3rds chance they will get none off. If the three vigs claim, The Mafia will Kill one off and roleblock another. If a Shot goes off from the town that night, the Mafia will roleblock the other living Vig and kill them, since the one they blocked first obviously didn't make the shot.
So (assuming no counterclaim, which everyone seems to be assuming) we trade a compulsive vig for 3 immediate investigations (about an average cop performance).
That’s not including a 2/3 chance of a bonus 1-shot vig, and an independent 1/4 chance of the town roleblocker hitting either the mafia roleblocker or nightkiller. That does not seem like a trade that should be dismissed out-of-hand.
Zakeri [37] wrote:Of course, what we should be doing is scumhunting, not rolehunting.
Unvote, Vote:EmpTyger
I proposed that a plan be considered which could, in your estimation, immediately narrow the list of potential mafia from 12 to 9. How is that not scumhunting? Who do you see as doing more scumhunting than me?
yorgi:
yorgi [36] wrote:<snip>
That gives the mafia rb 1 our of 3 changes to stop the vig. I don't think that is smart.
FOS EmpTyger
for not thinking it through all the way.
Er, who’s not thinking it through all the way?
I am aware of that cost may be. Are you aware of what the benefit might be? [See my reply above to Zakeri.]
Caboose:
Caboose [39] wrote:I would think that the mafia would obviously claim non-vig. I don't think that they would expose themselves to a counter claim this early. I think it's pretty weird that you think that they would. And don't bring up WIFOM either. It's just something that only incompetant scum would do.
I’m not sure I agree that it’s that simple, but, I am not about to publicly debate the pros and cons of mafia claiming strategies. I do find it odd how obvious you feel this.
Caboose [cont] wrote:<snip>
Massclaim should be our last resort, not our first.
This is an open setup. What’s your reasoning here? Why shouldn’t a massclaim be considered?
BSW:
Whoever’s alt you are, you know enough about playing mafia to know what OMGUS is. That’s not a helpful contribution. You can be as gimmicky as you like, but only if you’re helpfing the town.
