Newbie 2032 | Roses | Game Over

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can you back up the “scum rep out” thingy with stats?

Nope, just my perception from a couple games I've played

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this is the post im referring to with Olivia
VOTE: Olivia2020

this is a super scummy slot

Would you really ask this if you were scum though?

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Here's a game where scum replaced out

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66575

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didn’t you just say the consensus was lend was scummy? WHY DO THEY HAVE 0 VOTES ON THEM??

Yeah because I asked everyone on the last few pages

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im a competent scum player imo and I think that’s within my scumrange tbh to forge a scumslip

Not sure I follow, I meant if you are scum you probably are not careful than that right?

Is that your scum slip

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then why are there no votes at all on them except yours

Great question, I think people are pressuring elsewhere at the moment

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I guess I didn't clarify at all

I am saying scum olivia wouldn't make such a dumb slip

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thoughts on ziilos?

also the "inconsistent reads" thing is a really crappy wagon reason because I LITERALLY SAID THAT AT THAT POINT I DIDN'T WANT TO KILL PLAT/ZIILOS

It's posts like this that make you seem scummy, show up and no reads just defense

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well Olivia is a newbie? and this is their first game
TSTBS (too scummy to be scum) isn’t really a thing

Meh I'd really prefer lend

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Everyone is ok with a lend elim but it's not really getting pushed, I'd like to see a couple townies jump with me here

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Just read the iso, 0 game solving at all but unlike olivia who is just doing nothing lend has actual scummy posts where they actively don't game solve

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I am happy for you to pressure olivia but I tried and got nowhere

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Resisting urge to link whole iso...

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Spoiler: lend

alright, i’m here

i’ll do an ISO on someone, thinking of noraa

VOTE: platfleece

Plat you are now E-1

Do not claim yet.

I'd like to see a read from you for everyone in the game.

putting people at E-1 when we haven’t even reached the halfway point is questionable

i understand getting as much done and as much info as you can within the time limit but this seems extreme

plat has a sort of mafia-y aura

i can’t pin it down and i’ll probably go more in-depth later (since it’s 9pm) but I find no reason to discredit their wagon

alright i’m here

not sure what to do yet, not much activity

alright, i’m here

i’ll do an ISO on someone, thinking of noraa

why is this what you do as opposed to catching up to the whole thread
or are you already caught up

i’m lazy

also sick and i didn’t want to bother with reading up

Echo do you think we don’t have much to go on to leave RVS right now?

you guys can try leaving rvs if you want
i don't know how far you'll get
i can't get too far unless someone leaves rvs but i like to hang out in rvs forever

this warrants a VOTE: EchoVision

Why does it warrant that vote?

echo’s playstyle this game has been “why”-ish to me

just feels off but hey, could be town messing about

23 pages. the game is pretty much in a stalemate rn and most of the pages are Echo/72/Noraa/Murder useless fluff
I think honestly we flip someone and get this day over with. Tomorrow after the nk and all, I'm sure some people will start thinking. Rn ngl I think the game state is basically still at RVS stage. I see zero advancement and just a complete mess where no one is talking. it doesn't matter. We just kill someone off and get that flip and hopefully a scum in that kill. If not whatever we'll have much more to go off of tmrw

we have 4 days. why are you trying to end discussion?

VOTE: Olivia2020

Doing this based on where the votes are at the moment

this just seems like a filler vote

i don’t understand it

VOTE: Minimegabyte

not much content at all, getting mixed vibes overall

noraa town
murdercat town lean (y u do dis)
olivia town lean
72offsuit town lean
echo null-ish scum
minimegabyte scumlean
ziilos scumlean
dragon scumlean

thanks for making me not play in this hellhole again

Olivia is a really easy miselim and even though you sound townie I think your slot of leaning scummy because I think scum is more likely to replace out

I don't think two newbies are likely to hard bus but they might join and inevitable wagon

Because everyone thinks everyone else thinks lend is scummy I think we elim there today

thoughts on ziilos?

also the "inconsistent reads" thing is a really crappy wagon reason because I LITERALLY SAID THAT AT THAT POINT I DIDN'T WANT TO KILL PLAT/ZIILOS[/quote

Lots of fake townie posts and content for the sake of posting without any attempts to genuinely game solve. From someone who apparently has experience on another site

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635 is like just short of a scum claim

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Yeah but I'm on my phone and it was in my spoiler

Also just gunna say this because it's probably obvious anyway, lend it a safe elim because when there was a strong wagon he didn't come in like wait let me claim. So even if it is a miselim it's safe and needs to happen at some point

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At this point we should elim without a claim and we should ignore a PR claim from lend

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Lend is checked out, let's just flip scum and hope PRs can end the game on day 2

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I guess I know what game I'm reading when I need to do meta reads

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I gathered

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echo/murder/me town block?

Nah not sold on your slot yet

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Woah wtf this is a TMI scum slip imo. Just assuming lend must be town and worse case scenario we lim a pr .... no I dont like this post. I really dont like it

This assumes lend is scum counterclaiming, if lend was true PR he would have said already

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fakeclaiming baiting a counterclaim*

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I kinda think that’s TSTBS but at the same time I wannnnnnna consider scum!noraa for one sec

tomorrow

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Why are you fishing for PR info?

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Why did you scum-slip

You are not being smart and we should stop talking about this

My post does not assume there are 2 PRs it's just more likely

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72offsuit, Noraa, Olivia2020 you should come vote lend

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Nahdia thanks to you I took my b12 and d3 and even washed my rice today

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you said yourself that lend is the scummiest player according to the player base, at least ziilos is playing

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Looking forward to 72 coming in and helping us consolidate

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Olivia have you read any games?

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meta on day 1 isn't worth the effort

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Noraa please end day 1, let lend self hammer

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Echo echooo echoooooo

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You are just sheeping 72 anyway it's not even your read

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Lend could be checked out town, it happens. I don't think it's the case here because they were checked out all game, probably because they are scum with a replacey or inactive slot. But lend will never be a night kill and we have a VT claim so we just gotta roll with it

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Not really. I think all 3 SEs are town and so this game should be a town win. If lend flips scum I still feel like I'm dead but who knows

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Don't elim mini day 2 I think

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Depends on flip but if it's lend I would look at like an olivia or dragon slot

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That wasn't a note on experience, it was a note about who is leading the game. And that's echo me and 72. So as long as us 3 are town I think it's a win.

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if he flips green i'm thinkin mini even though murder just told me not to

If this happens my reads are off so that's fine

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so you’re thinking im bussing if the lend slot is red?

Pretty easy bus, if lend is red I bet there's a post in the mafia pt that says "just bus me I'm so done with this game"

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especially if the lurker slots Start ENGAGING

big if

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I haven't even done that much solving, lend is the easiest miselim in the world if town. Sort me if I make it further in the game

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so I enter a 1v7 with my slot having pretty much shade already. pretty good way to almost auto lose

This has to be compared to the possibility of trying to keep lend who is checked out alive, which seems like an even lower % play

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I mean
the vibe and emotion when you post is very townie and gut screams town. the bold pushing of a new wagon, the prodding for people to create content and the unafraidness to question people all read town

Yeah sure I mean that stuff is useful early game but late game what matters is who flipped scum

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Yeah I looked through your iso for that game, questionable is a good word

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DragonoftheNorth (1): MiniMegabyte

@Nahdia fyi typo in the VC

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ziilos why are you not voting lend, it's your neck if we don't elim there

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A quick hammer from scum would be great, we could use it to catch the scum

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We have 45 pages of posts and at least 15 of that is content, let's just flip please

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-10-02 07:00:00)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

FYI

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ziilos why are you not voting lend, it's your neck if we don't elim there

I'm happy to vote lend but I'd rather not leave them open to a quick hammer from scum until we've heard from everyone else

How about if we don't have any more votes on lend in the next hour we just flip this echo?

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I will be around to hammer

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Are you referring to the vote or the pagetop

Actually though I think not realizing they should 100% be voting here looks scummy if lend flips green. But then why wouldn't they be voting to save themselves. Ok maybe not.

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murder i'm sheeping you here
if you think it's scummy i think it's scummy

vote could've not been there in an attempt to be like "yeah i don't wanna draw attention to myself when it flips green"
vote could've not been there in an attempt to be like "haha it flipped green and i wasn't on the mislynch fuck you guys i'm town"
vote could've not been there because it's town trying to not draw attention too
ahhhh

Yeah this is why I'm not gunna think about it more

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I pushed on you to try to make something happen because in my experience newbie games start really slow if the SEs do nothing

Also I was curious how people would react to a hard push early

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also murder, are you now town on echo or nullish?

I've said already that I'm not looking at echo or 72 on d1 and I don't expect to make it much further

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Noraa are you here to hammer? Our wagon is bigger now. After ziilos read list

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Does it matter who?

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After ziilos read list

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sure why not?
VOTE: lend

if its a mislim, y'all r gonna catch some hands tmrw for not going thru on my wagon instead

I feel like this is such a weird shift from earlier but whatever I'm happy with the result

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I have a good feeling about how tonight will go

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Im find with dying day 2 to out some scums on my wagon U-U

This is super anti town btw

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If I can bring a scum down with me, its def worth it murder

You won't though. The easiest way to win is for everyone who is town to act like town and form a block

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So just have a town mindset if you are town and find the scum

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lend do you realize you have been hammered?

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Good work team

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You outed mini

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Yeah after what 72 said when you started talking about the "third option" is was obvious you got tfn'd

I mean I wasn't even reading that closely but I couldn't see any other possibility

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So it was actually kevin/dragon and plat lol

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Fair play to Shelly for making it interesting

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Echo I called mini PR didn't I

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You'll see in the dead thread that's what I was getting at

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Ha yes I was happy, even though I was wrong on lend my other reads ended up ok.

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replacing into newbie games is apparently a good way to get scum roles

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Why were you so confident on Olivia?

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I really thought you and echo were going to throw

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I think as 72 put it "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory"

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Haha you and echo almost lost what seemed to be an easily winnable game

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Murder murder we amigos from this game where we wuz on the same page all of day 1?

Yeah but we should have gone with your elim

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ziilos why are you not voting lend, it's your neck if we don't elim there

This should have been a tell

pedit: as in your choice not you

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Also I was laughing at you guys wondering why I died when I softed like 4 times on D1. Maybe they just killed me for being generally town read and for being active but I was trying real hard to eat the NK

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a winner is you (unless you're mafia)!

Lol

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Thank you for modding Nahdia, tons of fun as always

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when'd u soft?
I never saw <.<

Generally talking about how I was going to be killed during N1 and acting really cagey with Mini when discussing setup. It wasn't a real softclaim, just something I thought scum would pick up on

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here's the dead thread

Noraa read the part where echo is obviously not scum

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Actually I assumed it would be too obvious for an experienced player, the fact I died pointed towards inexperienced scum IMO

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You weren't scum though so you weren't looking for it

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or did you rolecop her and i'm misreading the dead thread

I think it was a rolecop, I don't think we got that info

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I think it might be bc my reads were shockingly accurate and Via was sheeping them and two votes that are always on the right wagon is deadly

I'm sure Shelly would have been happy if Olivia hammered Echo today

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Oh lol I forgot about the "no one else"

Obviously I did a terrible job reading that sentence because I missed all the important meaning from it

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Honestly, if Olivia comes out with a guilty what even happens? I feel like that kill was ultimately not that bad for town.

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I guess town still has two kills so you just yeet both of them and win. Tough spot for Shelly though to have to kill the PR and the likely miselim. Maybe it was higher % to yeet 72 and hope olivia tracker doesn't hit you.

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I have to assume she had some read on it otherwise it's actually nuts

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Lend was 10x more scum than echo

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I don't think it really counts if you replace into a scum slot.

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I am once again asking for your scum pt

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Thank you!

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Nahdia saying she was cheering for the scum team made me chuckle

(they)

I agree, I liked that Shelly used it for some reactions after BM died too, it's always nice to see what the scum were thinking after the fact