Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]
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Do we know what's going on with the no kills?-
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Not at all I did a light read of the slot but that's allIn post 1153, fferyllt wrote:Welcome, Murdercat! How caught up are you?-
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I don't think so either but I've at least read a game you were in I thinkIn post 1153, fferyllt wrote:I don't think we've played together.-
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I will have to remind myself later, I was probably metaing someone else
That's when I came back from a hiatus as well-
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I am reading now on my phone so a catch-up post will come later, but thoughts about why muh died? Heavily town read? Soft claim? Just wondering because I see the prods-
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In post 95, cylstar wrote:I am considering voting 72 since he seems to be quite defensive.-
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Hard pingsIn post 155, 72offsuit wrote:So my suggestion is that you cooperate and work with me, and work on the assumption that I am working in good faith as a starting point-
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Through page 9. Lean scum on 72. Tin foil says it could be mizzy 72 but a lot activity slot could be more likely. Going to be looking for who pushed off, but I have some good TRs at the moment. More later-
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{fferyllt, safebet222}
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Spoiler: Catchup though page 15-
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Just want to highlight the fact that JK on a scummy slot should claim.-
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Spoiler: Catchup though page 30-
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Mizzy is scum with 72In post 1176, safebet222 wrote:Can you expand on your read of Mizzy?
(yeah when I am done I'll case them both)-
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I would be very surprised if it isn't the two of them to be honest.-
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Please let's wagon 72 while I continue to catch up-
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Spoiler: Catchup finale-
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Ok everyone let's get a wagon on 72. I will post a case later, but I want some pressure there. We can do this town!
Also, if there was a JK on Mizzy or 72 I want to know now please.-
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All good, they deserve a proper case anyway
The fact that 72 got away yesterday is a terrible crime that must be corrected though-
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I don't think scum hard defends a partner while that partner pushes you, it's a super weird dynamic. Scum is more likely to double bus IMO-
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Actually I am also about to start DND
But ask them, I'll be back in a couple of hours-
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Me tooIn post 1193, safebet222 wrote:I wish I had time for DnD...
We have been going mostly weekly since march which is super fun, but I'm DMing a homebrew campaign which is super hard-
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lmao 72 is so scum
I haven't even argued my case yet-
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I didn't I said I was going to be looking for it-
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That was fixing a typo, post the quote before it
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In post 1214, 72offsuit wrote:Going to be looking for who pushed pig*-
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I will post a full case on 72 later tonight, but this is now a 1v1. I won't accept any other elimination today-
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Well you'll be convinced later. But this town needs serious help-
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Hey it's not your fault, you just rolled a setup with 2 experienced players as scum and had a bunch of replace outs. But it is a perfect environment for scum.
Pedit fine sorry for the snark-
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I haven't forgotten about your question by the way safe bet, I will answer them after I finish with 72-
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Thoughts on the first part of my case? Willing to vote there yet?-
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Feel free, but sadly I have no recent scum gamesIn post 1243, fferyllt wrote:I was thinking about metaing you tomorrow. From the comments about your scum game in Death Curse, I'm half convinced it's a waste of time, but would be pretty chuffed if I could find some markers!-
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4ish years
But I doubt my style is too different-
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I am curious, do you think the scum read on you is warranted?-
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Like here is a post criticizing your play. But remember when 72 said he would vote anyone but mizzy? Weird right?In post 668, 72offsuit wrote:In post 664, fferyllt wrote:That's a lot of townposting.
72, I hope I'm not up for the day yet. I don't have a full reads list. However, my thoughts are consolidated enough that I feel sure I won't be voting you or Mizzy today. Probably not JDye either.
I need a couple more hours sleep and then I'll get back to this.
THe concerning thing is your mindest sseems like it is on who NOT to kick rather than a town mindest of trying to come up with a strong preference for a kick given the fast approaching deadline.-
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This was just 40 posts earlierIn post 630, 72offsuit wrote:Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.-
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But what if he is just scum? I think your slot is pretty obvious town-
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Yeah 72's is worse. So where does he get off criticizing you for it? Feels fake to me, no?-
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Right so why is it an issue for ff do the same thing?In post 1258, 72offsuit wrote:Given town was literally all over the shop, i was stating i was willingbto compromise if not enough agreed to wagon c4.-
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Like I don't even think ff was all the way caught up but she was clearly trying to create content before the deadline hit-
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That all you have in response 72?
Can we get some votes here?-
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Spoiler: 72 iso page 2
So tell me, do you TR me 72? Or do you think that I am actively trying to start the game as scum replacing into a slot that's not being pressured at all?In post 1144, 72offsuit wrote:Hi murdercat.
A breath of fresh air.
A new broom to sweep clean.
More importantly someone who I think i can read and someone who can towntell.-
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Egix, help me out here, come vote 72 with me. Me, you, ff, safebet, maybe we can get Mizzy to bus at that point-
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Select what you want next:
1. town case on fferyllt slot
2. town case on spangled slot
3. independent scum case on Mizzy
4. 72/Mizzy scum pair case-
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Nah I think it's an attempt to look like that, while not actually pushing the point-
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I won't get ahead of myself though, I'm much more sure of 72 for now-
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Honestly I would be shocked, but I guess I would more strongly consider ff. But the game just kinda doesn't make sense to me if he flips green, I would probably have to reread everything.-
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In post 1198, safebet222 wrote:In post 952, Spangled wrote:
Your reasoning seems sound here, to me. We’re in quite a good situation as regards PRs; neither are dead and both have had several nights in which to do things. Clearing some people would be great. Likewise, the point about counterclaims is good; this is the right spot to massclaim because tomorrow scum could potentially counterclaim successfully.In post 947, Mizzytastic wrote:The reason I'm considering claiming is cos we have had an extra round of night actions for bodycount than we usually would have. Some of the setups have a decent chance of having extra clears beyond two uncountered claims which can really reduce the PoE. It also means that if scum counterclaim we don't end up losing if we get it wrong like we would tomorrow. I wanna think through all the options to try and present an optimal strategy and get feedback on it before anyone does anything, but I think there are probably some situations where we should claim and some where we shouldn't, decided by what town power there is and any results they've had.
I totally agree with seeing how the day plays out for now. I'm not saying "we should massclaim right now", I'm saying "I think there is a decent chance it's correct but it needs much thonk"
Of course, if we had JK + VT, for example, that would kind of suck; we get nodefiniteclears or confirmations because — theoretically — no kill the first night could be a no-kill gambit (unlikely but worth keeping in mind) or a protection of either scum or town. And there is the fact that NK analysis grinds to a halt; if two PRs claim they’ll be killed one after the other and that doesn’t give us much to work with there.
But on the whole I think we should still do it; if it’s B3, say, we can get quite a bit out of that. And if a PR were to die tonight and we hadn’t massclaimed, their potential clears or half-clears (so to speak) go with them to the grave. And tomorrow scum could counterclaim and win if they’re successful, which I’d like to avoid.
Yeah, I reckon we should.In post 1137, safebet222 wrote:In post 1126, Spangled wrote:In post 979, safebet222 wrote:Ok... @Mizzy... I think 72 is correct that massclaim is not good for town here. I don't think there is incentive for scum to do anything but claim VT in any setup. Except for...