Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]

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Hey friends! Catching up later

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Someone give me a rundown of what we know

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Do we know what's going on with the no kills?

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Was there no day 2 elim?

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I came to breathe life into this game

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Welcome, Murdercat! How caught up are you?

Not at all I did a light read of the slot but that's all

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I don't think we've played together.

I don't think so either but I've at least read a game you were in I think

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I will have to remind myself later, I was probably metaing someone else
That's when I came back from a hiatus as well

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I am reading now on my phone so a catch-up post will come later, but thoughts about why muh died? Heavily town read? Soft claim? Just wondering because I see the prods

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I am considering voting 72 since he seems to be quite defensive.

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Makes sense thanks

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So my suggestion is that you cooperate and work with me, and work on the assumption that I am working in good faith as a starting point

Hard pings

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Through page 9. Lean scum on 72. Tin foil says it could be mizzy 72 but a lot activity slot could be more likely. Going to be looking for who pushed off, but I have some good TRs at the moment. More later

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Who pushed pig*

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AGamblingPig
muh316

{fferyllt, safebet222}
{Spangled, Egix96}
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{Mizzytastic}
{72offsuit}

Spoiler: Catchup though page 15

Perhaps so, but my counterpoint is that I would expect new!town to be more confident and less afraid to crack any eggshells, so to speak.

This is a super weird take, I totally disagree

You are right, it doesn't apply. As I said, brain jelly. Not helped by the fact I can't sleep

I think this interaction looks bad for Mizzy

Sure... Any ideas on making that happen?

Lynch All Lurkers.

Yeah this looks really bad for 72

Mizzy vs 72 in posts 61-69 feels passive-aggressive from both sides, more from Mizzy especially in post 69.

This feels to me like scum trying to fuel a TvT clash

Ping Ping Ping for 72 and more evidence for 72 and Mizzy

275 this is terrible, who let this live to D2?

Ahhhh 282 is bad for Mizzy

Egixmoves up for 286.

My slot is actually playing pretty well, the SR there by 72 is laughable.

Since we have tied wagons and the people who plan to hammer only plan to do so to avoid NE, muh should probably claim to be safe.

I've liked chess moves a lot in general but this post is bad. Probably just a mistake though.

352 I think AGP is bleeding town here, but this is a town hammer I think.

JK, you know someone is either town or the attempted killer, you shouldn't share either, but hopefully the polarised position helps your read

Bad post, JK on suspected scum should share 100%

Agree with Mizzy above, and kudos for pointing out the fact that if we have a jailkeeper, they don't know whether the person they targeted was town or mafia.

This is why muh died by the way

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VOTE: 72

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Just want to highlight the fact that JK on a scummy slot should claim.

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AGamblingPig
muh316

{fferyllt, safebet222}
{Spangled, Egix96}
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{72offsuit, Mizzytastic}

Spoiler: Catchup though page 30

I didn't think much about it because at the time I said it it felt like the pressure was all activity based when it was kinda obvious he wasn't trying which I read as busy instead of alignment based. I agree he's gotten worse as he's talked.

I thought it could be omgusy cos it's informed specifically by interactions with me.

I was getting close to voting c4 but I'm curious why 72 is so happy voting there when he still has half his isos to go.

But we do need wagons - I'm not sure there is anyone here I have a confident scumread on VOTE: c4

Bad bad bad scum theatre between 72 and mizzy to justify the vote here. c4 looks town.

Dude, you said something super dumb (me switching tenses in one lost rings massive alarm bells) and youve refused to explain. If you're town, this is bad play.

I'm done with this. My votes sitting on you until I get an answer or you get elimmed.

Shut up. I just responded to your post

There is no way 72 says this as town, My slot does not look so scummy to be this dismissive.

skimming the stuff between my slot and 72, it's all scum posts filling the thread, increasing apathy.

538 looks bad I think too for Mizzy

541 LOL it is literally just 72 and Mizzy.

Not going to read 566 right now, this slot is already town in my mind

Skimming spangled too, but I see a vote for 72 in 611 so town lol

Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.

The scum buddies being so obvious

Ah fferyllt no, bad reads in 689 I think

Good vote egix in 694

skimming skimming skimming

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Can you expand on your read of Mizzy?

Mizzy is scum with 72

(yeah when I am done I'll case them both)

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I would be very surprised if it isn't the two of them to be honest.

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Please let's wagon 72 while I continue to catch up

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muh316

{fferyllt, safebet222}
{Spangled, Egix96}
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{72offsuit, Mizzytastic}

Spoiler: Catchup finale

If the 3 on my wagon r all town i will eat my hat and humble pie postgame

So fake lol

That post sucks badly.

No elim is fine given it takes us to 5v2 after a night kill. Rather than awkward 6v2 we have now.

It aldo sounds like jdye lining up miskicks if spang is town

Why are we letting the person being elimmed decide if we no elim lol

842 you were playing so well, me

Scum 72 and Mizzy literally got away with pushing for no elim lol

Yes 6-2 is awkward, but we want to no-lynch at MyLo; that's when we ought to. Mizzy will just get killed tonight and we'll have nothing new.

Lol not if they are scum

Bahaha killing muh

fake, I know 72 would have picked up on that post I saw

skimming all the 72 spam, no one else is really posting

blah blah blah nothing that is changing my reads, skimmed a lot because I'm getting tired, will probably go back and reread spangled's posts later.

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Ok everyone let's get a wagon on 72. I will post a case later, but I want some pressure there. We can do this town!

Also, if there was a JK on Mizzy or 72 I want to know now please.

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All good, they deserve a proper case anyway

The fact that 72 got away yesterday is a terrible crime that must be corrected though

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I don't think scum hard defends a partner while that partner pushes you, it's a super weird dynamic. Scum is more likely to double bus IMO

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Actually I am also about to start DND

But ask them, I'll be back in a couple of hours

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I wish I had time for DnD...

Me too

We have been going mostly weekly since march which is super fun, but I'm DMing a homebrew campaign which is super hard

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How about you vote 72?

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lmao 72 is so scum

I haven't even argued my case yet

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I didn't I said I was going to be looking for it

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Who pushed pig*

That was fixing a typo, post the quote before it

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Going to be looking for who pushed pig*

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I will post a full case on 72 later tonight, but this is now a 1v1. I won't accept any other elimination today

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Well you'll be convinced later. But this town needs serious help

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Hey it's not your fault, you just rolled a setup with 2 experienced players as scum and had a bunch of replace outs. But it is a perfect environment for scum.

Pedit fine sorry for the snark

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Spoiler: 72 page 1 iso

Ignoring the obvious distancing from Mizzy early, I will make that case after we flip 72.

muh316 -- hmmm

hmmm

Got anything to add to the game?

What's your read on hunter?

ISOs:

Bipolar -- Nothing particularly telling yet IMO
AGamblingPig -- His only real read so far is his Bipolar read and it's basically a toneread so I don't feel like I can say much here yet.
Mizzy -- Tunneling someone in a vacuum is generally NAI and avoiding tunneling someone is good but Mizzy's treatment of cyl is horribly inconsistent with Mizzy's treatment of me.
hunterr -- Initial vote on me reads as obligatory contribution based on the only thing he can find to talk about. Eventually he gives an actual reason with original thought though so that's nice.
c4 -- Can't read this guy at all
cyl -- Looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game.
72 -- Beyond the spam he's doing a good job of being a newbie-stimulating SE.
muh316 -- hmmm
Egix -- See 72 but less so because of the relative shortage of posts.

@Bipolar, what do you think of this reads list?

These are the sort of general do nothing look busy posts that are super easy for scum to make. I know 72 is a good town player, so if he is town they should lead to something.

Id like u to tell me ur read on hunter before i taint it with any thing I say.

You dodging my question and responding to my question with a question doesnt give me good vibes about your slot.

But instead it just leads to a nothing reason to throw shade. This push has nothing to do with the question that was asked. Why would muh dodge this question? Why does it make him scum? There's no logic to it, it's shade for shade's sake.

Why are you so preoccupied about interaction?

All i did was ask you for a read on hunter.

If you are town, from your point of view, I have a 75% chance of being town.

So my suggestion is that you cooperate and work with me, and work on the assumption that I am working in good faith as a starting point.

Which leads to this, which super pings me. I don't think this is a townie point of view. It's leaking that 72 knows muh is town even though he is in the process of throwing shade. A full on scum slip, if you ask me.

"I took a peek at some of 72's games and he seems to post a lot."
This feels like super shallow, low effort commentary on meta, disguised as trying to be helpful.

" The 72 - Mizzy exchange just makes me scumread 72 more and more..."

@ safebet:

1. What specifically did you find that made you "scumread 72 more and more" on page 5?

2. On a scale of 1-100, how strongly do you think I scumread Mizzy?

72 reacts to the long post from safebet by only focusing on the parts about him. No interest in scum hunting.

2. The vote on muh feels like scum opportunistically voting for low hanging fruit. I'd say muh is just the punching bag low-hanging fruit town jester.
The transition of Pig from gut-scum-reading me to dismissing that and then voting for muh fits !scumPig agenda.

This is a super weird stance to take from someone who is also pressuring muh. Is muh scum who needs to be pressured or low hanging fruit?

VOTE: 72offsuit

Not been a fan of quite of few of their posts. Think their push for the mizzy wagon is founded on very little. For someone who found me not voting to be "concerning", I think it's a little hypocritical to have not moved their vote since post #64 and haven't given any sort of reasoning for other people to put their vote there. If they think mizzy is scum, shouldn't they try to push us to vote them?

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, could you post a read list? You haven't really given your thoughts on anyone in the game other than mizzy.

Sure.

Town +++++++++++++ 72os

Not worth mentioning: cyl,egix, c4

Scumlean: Hunter/safebet, Bipolar/Dye, Mizzy, muh

Scum: GamblingPig

No town reads? Don't buy it. I will post town cases later but there are clear townies at this point in the game IMO.

Deadline 27 hours. Given ppl r on dif time zones and leaving time for claims.
Lunchtime post, i will post updated thoughts in about 5-9 hrs from now

Generally saying stuff like this, but doing nothing to actually direct people and not compromising on a slot he is null on, is scummy.

Weird that both 72 and Mizzy started leaning towards town!cyl and started FOSing AGamblingPig within a very short amount of time. 72 being opportunistic when it looks like town is going to move in a certain direction?

You comment on my interacting with Mizzy and my vote on GamblingPig, and FoS me,
yet you make ZERO references to my actual case against GamblingPig.

Which basically reveals your mindset is not to solve slots, but rather to secure a miskick.

JD is scum.

Still way too many scum reads

Jailed players are slightly more likely to be scum who attempted a kill, rather than town who were targeted.

72 not asking for a claim if JK was on a scum read is super scummy. That is 100% the right play, it's basically the best thing to get out of your JK.

VOTE: C4

Can see !TownJdye thinking its me and cyl.

Cant see scumbox C4's case against Egix.

More anyone but me.

Still waiting

This whole exchange with my slot is scummy, way too aggressive for someone he was apparently open to being town a minute ago.

Please quote which EXACT POSTS you are referring to in the line

"That point was brought up by numerous other people much earlier in the game."

I want EXACT quotes.

Scum tactic, moving the goal posts, evidence is never strong enough

I ask you again, why are you looking at the ISO dive now.
If you really scumread me as you say you did, why did you not take the opportunity to look for flaws in logic in my ISOs sooner?

Arguing how the case was created rather than the case itself.

Im Australia timezone, so dont expect a claim from me if u wagon me

If 72 claims VT later, remember this post. Makes no sense to worry about this as VT.

Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.

This is crazy. Town never says this.

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I haven't forgotten about your question by the way safe bet, I will answer them after I finish with 72

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One game (roses), he was obv town

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Thoughts on the first part of my case? Willing to vote there yet?

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Should be. Hopefully with a part 2

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I was thinking about metaing you tomorrow. From the comments about your scum game in Death Curse, I'm half convinced it's a waste of time, but would be pretty chuffed if I could find some markers!

Feel free, but sadly I have no recent scum games

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4ish years

But I doubt my style is too different

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I am curious, do you think the scum read on you is warranted?

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That's a lot of townposting.

72, I hope I'm not up for the day yet. I don't have a full reads list. However, my thoughts are consolidated enough that I feel sure I won't be voting you or Mizzy today. Probably not JDye either.

I need a couple more hours sleep and then I'll get back to this.

THe concerning thing is your mindest sseems like it is on who NOT to kick rather than a town mindest of trying to come up with a strong preference for a kick given the fast approaching deadline.

Like here is a post criticizing your play. But remember when 72 said he would vote anyone but mizzy? Weird right?

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Ill wagon everyone but mizzy.

This was just 40 posts earlier

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But what if he is just scum? I think your slot is pretty obvious town

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Yeah 72's is worse. So where does he get off criticizing you for it? Feels fake to me, no?

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Given town was literally all over the shop, i was stating i was willingbto compromise if not enough agreed to wagon c4.

Right so why is it an issue for ff do the same thing?

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Like I don't even think ff was all the way caught up but she was clearly trying to create content before the deadline hit

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That all you have in response 72?
Can we get some votes here?

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Spoiler: 72 iso page 2

Scum is amongst duo of egix spang jdye
Or
Duo of my 1 on my woagon plus muh or ff

This weird considering the hard push on ff right now. Where did this logic go?

That post sucks badly.

No elim is fine given it takes us to 5v2 after a night kill. Rather than awkward 6v2 we have now.

It aldo sounds like jdye lining up miskicks if spang is town

Pushing for a no elim when you are the target is sketchy af. As town you would want to be elimed out of fear you just get limmed later. You can literally read the wiki page on mylo, the benefits of no eliming on even are kind of silly. Also we are giving up the chance to save a full round with another JK or doc hero play. 72 is smart enough to understand this and Mizzy is too.

I was curious to see if safebet or 72 would try to establish a narrative about that kill when pushed, been as they initially said they couldn't see why

Given you ask, I'd go with:
1) town were correctly reading him as town and were unlikely to kick him
2) he was fairly lurky, not particularly aggro, was quite defensive against people who pushed him which may have made scum incorrectly read him as a PR

But like I said night kill spec is mostly garbage.

Such a scum take, NKA is useful but people do it wrong a lot.

Vote Count 1.2

Lithium, ₃Li

— alkali metal, standard atomic weight 6.941, group 1, period 2, s-block

c4e5g3d5

(4): muh316, hunterr, cylstar, BipolarType2

72offsuit

(2): Egix96, c4e5g3d5

hunterr

(2): AGamblingPig, Mizzytastic

Mizzytastic

(1): 72offsuit

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-06 06:30:00)

I think that the speed at which the initial c4e5 wagon formed is a point in favour of that slot being town.
Cyl's vote seemed like it wasn't a coincidence (she just figured out how to vote but that's who she chooses?) but BT2slot also looks bad from this because their vote was passed off as RVS.

Garbage. The first wagon almost never gets kicked

Who reacts like this to someone you think is probably town? Like complete refusal to engage with their ideas. Instead, scum 72 wants to argue against any reason to TR the obv town slot.

What do you make of Mizzy then eventually voting for Gambling Pig then?

trying... to.. avoid... talking... about.. obvious.. scum pair

This is the problem with ff.
1. FF "townreads me" but the way she is intereacting with my slot it doesnt feel that way.
2. There is next to zero game solving happening and FF is townreading half the playlist.

Lol ff just joined the game and you are pushing the shit out of her, there's no room to breathe. TRing half the playerlist is a towntell not a scum tell

Hi murdercat.
A breath of fresh air.
A new broom to sweep clean.
More importantly someone who I think i can read and someone who can towntell.

So tell me, do you TR me 72? Or do you think that I am actively trying to start the game as scum replacing into a slot that's not being pressured at all?

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Egix, help me out here, come vote 72 with me. Me, you, ff, safebet, maybe we can get Mizzy to bus at that point

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Select what you want next:

1. town case on fferyllt slot
2. town case on spangled slot
3. independent scum case on Mizzy
4. 72/Mizzy scum pair case

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Can do

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Nah I think it's an attempt to look like that, while not actually pushing the point

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I won't get ahead of myself though, I'm much more sure of 72 for now

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Honestly I would be shocked, but I guess I would more strongly consider ff. But the game just kinda doesn't make sense to me if he flips green, I would probably have to reread everything.

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The reason I'm considering claiming is cos we have had an extra round of night actions for bodycount than we usually would have. Some of the setups have a decent chance of having extra clears beyond two uncountered claims which can really reduce the PoE. It also means that if scum counterclaim we don't end up losing if we get it wrong like we would tomorrow. I wanna think through all the options to try and present an optimal strategy and get feedback on it before anyone does anything, but I think there are probably some situations where we should claim and some where we shouldn't, decided by what town power there is and any results they've had.

I totally agree with seeing how the day plays out for now. I'm not saying "we should massclaim right now", I'm saying "I think there is a decent chance it's correct but it needs much thonk"

Your reasoning seems sound here, to me. We’re in quite a good situation as regards PRs; neither are dead and both have had several nights in which to do things. Clearing some people would be great. Likewise, the point about counterclaims is good; this is the right spot to massclaim because tomorrow scum could potentially counterclaim successfully.

Of course, if we had JK + VT, for example, that would kind of suck; we get no

definite

clears or confirmations because — theoretically — no kill the first night could be a no-kill gambit (unlikely but worth keeping in mind) or a protection of either scum or town. And there is the fact that NK analysis grinds to a halt; if two PRs claim they’ll be killed one after the other and that doesn’t give us much to work with there.

But on the whole I think we should still do it; if it’s B3, say, we can get quite a bit out of that. And if a PR were to die tonight and we hadn’t massclaimed, their potential clears or half-clears (so to speak) go with them to the grave. And tomorrow scum could counterclaim and win if they’re successful, which I’d like to avoid.

Yeah, I reckon we should.

Ok... @Mizzy... I think 72 is correct that massclaim is not good for town here. I don't think there is incentive for scum to do anything but claim VT in any setup. Except for...

a) If we are
I'm scum reading Spangled but not Mizzy for this... in a 1 PR setup, scum just claim vanilla, and the PR gets night killed.

In this situation, unless there was a NK gambit, the 1PR is JK... Scum could claim tracker or FN... So town can't even trust the massclaim result fully unless there is a doc setup. It might benefit town if we are in the cop and doc setup and cop has hit scum. And even then I'm not sure outing that before MELo/ ELo is good either.

Let me know why I'm wrong if I am.

I do see your logic here; I’m torn between the problems with massclaiming, but also the possibility that a cop with two greens, say, could die. Or even a JK with an either-red-or-green, or a tracker with a probably-green... I just think, more data is better.

Unless someone else wants to get into it with Spangled on this point, I'd rather not except to say what he wrote is not accurate and should not be used as a basis for deciding.

My questions...

1) I scum read Spangled for the top exchange but not Mizzy... confirmation bias on Mizzy due to UTR? Or is the stance on the massclaim idea NAI? I think mass claim is throwing away any advantage on the NK idea from D2.

2) What do you think about my exchange with Spangled below?

Here's a question, why isn't mizzy dead after what kinda reads like a soft claim there? Or at least being focused on roles is a PR or scum tell and mizzy is also widely town read. So the muh shot is still weird. Mizzy looks like she is floating the idea without committing to it to me. IMO, mass claim before elo is silly, trust your PRs to claim when they have info. I think scum is more likely to do that floaty stuff than outright say it, but that's just me.

As for the second exchange I think it's a town slip actually, and I'm guessing you can see the reasoning there.

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They* sorry mizzy

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MC... do you mind if I play devil's advocate for a bit?

Please do

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but my experience is super uneven and scumplay is a low point for me.

You've modded enough games that I think you know what good scum play looks like IMO. But what do you make of my case on 72?

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@MURDERCAT - I thought jk was one of the weaker possible claims because of the chance of landing in the slot with nothing else. Why are you saying that should claim? And why only one the people you are currently casing and not in general?

Let me ask you, if you put JK in a setup what is the most town could get out of it? A near guilty if you SRd a slot and blocked a kill is basically the most you could expect right? So why keep the JK alive at that point when we could flip a scum and possibly JK the other? I'm not sure I follow when you say weaker possible claim though.

If there was a JK on another SR'd slot I think there should still be a claim, but obviously I have an extra interest if it was one of you because it helps my case.

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My feeling is still, trust the PRs to claim when they think they have enough info for it to be worth it

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Well it reads to me like you are waiting to see if anyone else hops on the wagon, but I'll hold my tongue for now.

I would be surprised if egix is scum, he has a number of posts I liked

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Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-24 03:25:00)

No worries. This did make me think to look at the countdown though, just a reminder that we basically have 24 hours to choose a target.

Also I'm just going to call this now, if we go with 72 and he's scum I'd like doc on me and JK on mizzy. If you don't feel comfortable going JK on mizzy then JK on me is also acceptable

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Yeah I'm fine with that coin flip mizzy

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I accept that POV safe bet, except I was in a low activity game with 72 (roses) and IMO he is acting totally differently. Also, a large part of my case is feeling confident that 72 is advocating for anti town plays he should know better than to advocate for and failing to notice and point out things if expect him to notice and point out. Like I don't think 72 is TSTBD, I just think he is playing much worse than I'd expect for him as town

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Nice

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I read or heard somewhere once that when town in Mafia, don't underestimate the importance of building consensus between your town reads.

This is the biggest factor that determines town wins imo. I think it's often a couple of solid town reads and some good poe that catches scum more than anything else

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Nice Nice

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We have some time still

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Also I don't think scum!CAT needs to bus there or line me up for the next elim.

Does anyone else think this is TMI that 72 is flipping scum?

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Like specially the use of the word bus seems off to me, if I'm scum wouldn't it be much more likely 72 is town? The rest of the post doesn't have a strong 72 is scum assumption so I actually think that might be a slip

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But like there's no consideration of 72 being town in that part of the post. I'm talking specifically about that one line about me bussing. Like there is nothing there about scum murdercat possibly pushing a town 72 miselim.

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Mmm I don't know
Anyway if 72 is scum I could fill a book with evidence for mizzy so I'm not worried about it

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About me being conf biased?
I don't think I am, if anyone came in and argued for 72 I would be open to it, but seems like everyone agrees he is scummy

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Cool let's get a claim then

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I feel like you are simultaneously holding me to a level of comptence I'm pretty sure I don't have then pointing out how I'm blatant scum which I know is wrong.

Maybe that's fair but let's worry about it after 72 flip

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Yeah I'm just saying let's move ahead with 72.

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Well I haven't made a case yet so I'm not sure there is anything concrete to discuss. I think you are probably scum with 72 but no one will care about that until after the 72 flip. I think your point is probably valid that maybe I am being unfair. At the same time, I feel that even good scum players slip, but I'll let the urge to argue it further go.

I will be releasing post 72 flip, at which point I will make a final determination about your alignment, but it will be mostly based on things that are already in the thread, so I don't feel like I need anything from you right now. But if there is anything you want to ask me, feel free.

Pedit I didn't remember that happening but I remember 72 saying that too. I looked briefly, but need to read that interaction again

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I'm happy to discuss it post game if I was wrong

I would never claim to be right about something like this, it's a matter of opinion

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But you were offering to do the independent scum case on me separate from 72 earlier as one of your list of options.

If people wanted to see it, but I won't have time to do this and spangled before the day ends and it doesn't make sense to do it independently if 72 is flipped

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here.

Was this all or did you say something specifically about a no elim?

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This feels like you are just shutting me out. "I think you are obvscum but I don't have time to make that case but if you want to ask questions you can" - the thing I'm gonna be questioning is what you aren't giving me

Not at all, it's more that I feel like we agree that decision today is clear. I don't think you are obv scum, I think you have associations I don't like. I understand I haven't made a case on you, it's why I don't expect anyone to take it seriously

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I'm off to bed then. I'm pretty frustrated and don't want to get too wound up, and I'm struggling to stay awake anyway

Sorry! If I were convinced you were scum I'd be pushing you, it's the fact that I want more info from the flip that makes me want to wait

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Come back mizzy, I feel bad

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Well I usually use 5 tiers but there is range from I want to elim this for sure today to I think this slot is also scum in the final tier. I do think your posts here are townie as well

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No one cc yet

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Why c4

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Post it

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Why didn't you come out and claim d2 then

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You basically had a guilty

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Does anyone have info that contradicts this? If so, say so without claiming

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Did you crumb the role?

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Jailed may be the town kill target

That's why I said basically, if you jailed them for being scummy it's basically a guilty. Why would you think that slot would be targeted for a night kill?

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I don't buy it

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I'm gunna let you guys figure this out, I'll be back later

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Why would scum counter lol

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Gunna wait for no JK cc

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Gunna wait for no JK cc

Lol this is so fake. We have 2 opposing claims already

Yeah and I'm doubting yours so

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We have a scum for sure today but we need spangled

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What about I'm town, you're scum, ff cc'd and there's a real JK who hasn't read yet?
If no one CC's you then we flip ff obviously. If someone does CC you then you are scum.
Obviously you are conf town if no one CC's so why is it weird I want to wait for everyone to post before I decide who to elim?

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If spangled is town JK and you are game claiming to draw out claims how is that 1 in 10000?

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quote it for me

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Cos we have day 3 worth of night actions (been as it's not actually d2, just feels like it) and we avoid having to get a counterclaim right. Also cos I wanted to shut down you asking 72 specifically if that was a night based vote before we have a discussion about how we are going forward with that sorta stuff

I guarantee it's not a night-based vote!

Here

this?

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She said it was a no result crumb, it doesn't look like a VT soft to me

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Look if you are scum it's confirmed that ff is scum based on the claim, so why are you rushing? Let's let spangled and mizzy and egix post and then if no one is CCing you we vote for ff. What's the rush?

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"I guarantee its not a night based vote"

If she was Tracker, she wud think, dam, maybe 72 is voting me cos i was jailed.

But no, she dusnt becos she isnt tracker
She scumclaims by her tracker claim alone.

She said she got a result so she knows she isn't jailed if town...

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This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one

they would get no result, I'm not sure what else it would be

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I agree as long as you are confirmed as JK so I don't get the pressure on me

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Like all I'm saying is that you could be fakeclaiming scum, let's confirm your claim.
If you are confirmed, ff is conf scum.

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If you are JK then you can just JK me tonight and prove me inno or at least force a NK gambit so what's the issue?

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Like all I'm saying is that you could be fakeclaiming scum, let's confirm your claim.
If you are confirmed, ff is conf scum.

There is no way to confirm me without rolefishing if we r in a 2 PR setup.

More garbage.

Literally what is rolefishing lol. I am asking for someone else who is JK to post if they are JK. from you POV how is that role fishing, no one will do it??

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An inno is worth a lot then

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Well if you hadn't claimed we weren't flipping scum today and there is no way we would have seen that crumb

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I will be clear in case anyone else is also misunderstanding me. There should only be a claim if you are a jailkeeper.

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You played scummy yo. We can poe easy off this flip so chill

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I intentionally played surface level scummy as PR. Thats y i made shit scumreads on half the players.
But if u ACTUALLY cared to look and scratch the surface ive been obvtown

Well yeah I realize that now

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UNVOTE:

I'm not sure how you expected to trick scum but not town

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Let's just find the last scum and you JK them, easy win
Or spangled comes and says you're scum, also easy

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Honestly after D1 I'm not sure why you thought that
I think town would have been better off if you just claimed your 95% guilty then
But it's still going to be a town win, so what are you so upset about

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I think we can find the other scum today and you can jail them and we will win
You can't say that you played scummy on purpose and you are also obv town

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Who knows perhaps. I think its worked out better this way. Ive been in the game for an extra day.

You seem pretty upset about the turn of events

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I am not worried about the state of things, I think catching a scum on D3 where we are basically a day up is enough to win

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I'll reread but having you as town makes my exchange with safebet feel really weird

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Nah I'm sorry, it's my respect for your town game that made me SR you I said that like 3 times

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Yup, are you JK?

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Cool Cool

Looks like we are probably flipping FF who I think bounced after realizing she scum claimed

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Whats wrong with my towngame.
Correctly read scum on day 1.
Corretly reading mizzy im p sure, and muh as town.

Apologies to Pig. Didnt think c4 would get kicked. So that was one wrong read

It's good and here it looked super scummy
You probably would have played differently if I was in the game from the start
I can't know you read scum on D1 because you looked scummy as hell

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wait what JK and tracker can be in the same thing right

FF claimed a N1 result despite being jailed though

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72 was on mizzy N2 so that is probably inno because we got a kill

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I'm not sure where the wagons are at but it's clear that as long as there is no JK claim we are flipping FF

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I have to reread to be sure, but I'm ok with a safebet theory.Really not sure though.

And yeah, any scum could commit the kill but I feel like you wouldn't have the scum who was just JK'd do it right?
Also Mizzy reaction was really townie to my push and with 72 as town I believe it

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Well Mizzy's votes were basically on pig and muh which looks.. not great. Also I thought there were places that were either townie indecision or scum fence sitting and I was leaning towards the latter.

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It was also just a general sense that the game wasn't making sense to me. I think I understand that better now, but when rereading through it just seemed like Mizzy wasn't really clicking with people and forming town blocks despite being mostly heavily town read. But with the inactivity and 72 intentionally trying to avoid that I think their play is making more sense to me.

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The most important thing we can do is find the second scum for 72

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If you are town someone will CC 72

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Ok just egix then?

It's ok mizzy we will find the last scum and win together! I'm sorry I doubted you I just wasn't understanding what was happening with 72

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I am but an egg
Waiting is...what? State of being?
Hover on the edge

Lol this my favorite type of scum spam

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No more votes on ff by the way, we need the time to find the second scum and she will self hammer

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That's not possible though because there was a no kill
Or at least it's very unlikely

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Oh, right, derp, waking up on not enough sleep

All good

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We should all be giving opinions about who the last scum is as that's the best shot to keep 72 alive.
72 should also announce a target to clear them if he does die

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This is the poe (me too but like come on)

safebet222 (replaces hunterr)
Spangled (replaces cylstar)
Egix96

Spoiler: chessmoves/ff iso dive

ISOs:

Bipolar -- Nothing particularly telling yet IMO
AGamblingPig -- His only real read so far is his Bipolar read and it's basically a toneread so I don't feel like I can say much here yet.
Mizzy -- Tunneling someone in a vacuum is generally NAI and avoiding tunneling someone is good but Mizzy's treatment of cyl is horribly inconsistent with Mizzy's treatment of me.
hunterr -- Initial vote on me reads as obligatory contribution based on the only thing he can find to talk about. Eventually he gives an actual reason with original thought though so that's nice.
c4 -- Can't read this guy at all
cyl -- Looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game.
72 -- Beyond the spam he's doing a good job of being a newbie-stimulating SE.
muh316 -- hmmm
Egix -- See 72 but less so because of the relative shortage of posts.

This list points to cyl/spangled most I think, but it's weak.

I'll just say, early on it looks like chessmoves is interacting with all townies.

muh definitely looks worse, not because of this, but because he's been a far bigger lurker than Egix.

How so?

Before this recent string of posts, you simply had less content than Egix. That's different now, though, so that's a plus for you.

What's so bad about mindmeld reads?

It's the perfect way to generate both tunneling and pocketing.

Keeping a vote based on a microread this long is unhelpful so UNVOTE: Mizzytastic. Looking at the player list, the people who haven't had a significant positive impression on me at any point are muh, Egix and AGamblingPig.

For the most part I agree with 72's points on muh; lurking and then returning with a WIFOM defense is NAGL, and the whole "72 wouldn't gain much traction" thing is plain scummy.
Egix not caring about lurking accusations thrown at him is NAI IMO. That leaves just the lurking, with a bit of content in between.
Pig is now the lowest poster I believe. When he was posting he was putting thought into his posts, though.

VOTE: muh316 until further notice.

Not really sure if this is + or - for Egix, probably nothing but including it anyway in case anyone else makes anything of it.

safebet's wallpost hasn't done much to change my read of the slot, i.e. still towny.

I feel like this is actually quite a new read, not much justification for it.

Four wagons wtf

Wagons from best elim to worst: muh Pig 72 cyl

Take big issue with Egix and Mizzy forgetting this is a newbie game (re: cyl).

This is a defense of cyl? - for spangled

Sorry, I did the irresponsible thing of signing up for three games, and one's a hydra on MU so I can't really back out of it, so I'll likely have to replace out.

In the meantime, I'm still trying to figure out if DADV applies to muh. In case it does, VOTE: Egix96 is next on my list.

More likely egix town I think

I like Hunterr's 39 and 40 pushing back on Mizzytastic about his post re spam, and just generally like the whole interaction with Mizzytastic there.

Also don't like cyltstar's vote at the top of page 3. No reasoning there, and no sense that it's an RVS vote. Mizzy's 60 to cylstar speaks to this point somewhat.

Hunterr's 85: I didn't pick up a passive-aggressive feel from 72offsuit/Mizzytastic interaction there. Agree with Mizzy's 90 re the unvote reasoning feeling town.

Though re cylstar there's a bit of an overworked feel to some of his phrasing. Ex: post 95 "didn't necessary (sic) like his tone.

Looks like Egix9 maybe is questioning some of that overworked vibe in 104. Disagree though with 116.

Is this a more experienced player distancing from cyl?

I really like the way Hunterr's trying to pull out celstar's meaning/mindset in 117 and interpreting it in 118. I don't agree with his cylstar vote further down the page, though.

Sketchy (for cyl)

what was your read of egix at this point?

More town egix evidence IMO

153 cylstar's posting style is super deferential and indirect/passive voice. There could be something AI in it but I'm leaning not based on posts so far.

cylstar's 198 snapped a thought into focus for me. The confusion and hesitance feels natural, regardless of alignment, but I think some of these questions would have been asked in the Mafia pt if they are scum. Wasn't really scumreading them before, and should have thought this sooner. Maybe would have if I'd been participating/reading in real time.

Starting to look real bad for this slot

Caught up!

Town

Mizzy's stances come off hesitant, but it's easy to follow her trajectory on her reads. She's also concerned about the game's health and I wonder if that's something that she carries well in her scum games, but I don't have time to meta and that wouldn't be a top priority if I did.

72 would be more of a meta priority because his playstyle in this game would work for scum. I just think his pushes would go in different places. The heavy pushes often followed up with a post about players he'd compromise-vote on make me a little nervous. I dunno why putting percentages on scum likelihood bug me as much as the do. 72's percentage post on JDye, beyond that squick, do indicate that his read isn't binary. There is some nuance even though he's tunneling.

JDye - I was predisposed to like this slot from about page 2 because I really like the original occupant's posts. Nothing AI to it. I spectated JDye's first game. I feel like the effort to apply lessons learned from that game are genuine and are probably town-indicative. This may be a me-problem because I'm not filtering out enough of the mutual tunnel, but I feel like JDye hasn't put as much effort into sorting other players as Day 2 has progressed.

Lean Town

egix is the player I'm most familiar with, which isn't saying a whole lot! He was town in a recent newbie game that I modded and his play looks very similar here. I feel like his playstyle would work ok in both alignments, and with more time I want to meta dive and see if the little flickers of humor and annoyance (mostly via emotes) I'm seeing here also show up in his scum game.

Safebet - I smile EVERY TIME I see this avatar. I liked his initial catchup post, and agreed with it more at that point in my readthrough than I do at this point. He's asked a lot of questions given his overall content that felt relevant to what was going on at his active times in the thread. One post that pinged, although it turned out to be justified, was this comment to Gambling Pig.

Welp, Looks like I'm a goner. I'm vanilla townie. Hopefully my lynching will give you all the info you need to make better choices tomorrow.

Good luck town.

While you're around, care to give us any thoughts on the game?

Seemed harsh, and the use of "us" there pinged. In general, I see that kind of phrasing more often from scum than town. Later posts by other players were more harsh, but by then it looked like Gambling Pig wasn't going to get much in the way of last thoughts into the game threads.

I thought I'd want to do a full reads list when I started, but, I want to run my fingers through some isos before I try to gather thoughts on the POEs.

Missing cyl is interesting, not sure what to make of that.

Ffery is the lhf

I don't think I have ever been called lhf in a mafia game.

This is - for Egix

I may be townreading at least one scum player. I don't like to to teamsolve without a scumflip, but I'm not getting team vibes from Muh and cylstar.

Unvote:

Any reasoning?

Don't want to discuss right now.

Should have caught this, sorry 72

I felt like his take on Spangled could be correct. I mean, safebet is right that players are polarized about your play, but I was kinda surprised that 2 fresh sets of eyes came away with completely different opinions on you.

I'm happy. I think.

@spangled my comment about a backordered spine was a joke/encouragement to myself. When I went on hiatus I felt like I'd become almost paralytic about taking stances and making choices/decisions. I'm doing better since un-retiring, and my 24+ hours in Day 2 was pretty stance-y for me.

1038 I feel like you don't do that to a partner, but maybe?

TOWN
Yours truly
Mizzy
JDye
Egix Null
FF Null to slight scumlean based on C4 hard defending Cyl and I now see Spangled as my main scum read right now.
Spangled
SCUM

72... you get your own category... Polarizing Scumtown??? In other words I don't know what to think about you. Your 1v1 with JDye screams TvT but your constant moving on scum reads is unsettling. Your no massclaim analysis is spot on in my opinion and what you say in your own defense about your playstyle makes sense along with your play at the end of D2. I'm gonna play nice with you for now... but my vote stays on Spangled.

How confident are you of your reads overall? Which reads are you the most confident of?

I'm a noob so nothing is exactly what I'd call confident. Mizzy is the one that would be the hardest for someone to change my mind about.

How difficult does this game compare to your previous games. How confident r ur reads this game compared to previous ganes?

I have played 2 games one in 2017 and one in 2018. Replaced into scum 1st game. 2nd game I was NK N1. So, I've never had to give D2 nor D3 reads... No basis to answer this question.

Do you feel like your play has changed over the breaks, even though it's only 2 games? Does it feel like starting from scratch every time?

How do you feel re efforting in this game?

Not entirely sure what you mean there, but I don't really feel like doing a lot this game because, y'know, ~other priorities~

What I meant was how do you feel your level of effort here compares to that game?

Right now I want interaction. Especially with Spangled, but that will have to wait until he's back.

Do you have any questions for me? You have my attention.

Can you talk about your current take on JDye and 72?

How do you feel re efforting in this game?

Not entirely sure what you mean there, but I don't really feel like doing a lot this game because, y'know, ~other priorities~

What I meant was how do you feel your level of effort here compares to that game?

I'd say it's been a bit more, yeah.

Interesting.

Lots of interaction with the not spangled slots, but maybe that's VLA driven.

@ff... Has there been any change in your read on Mizzy?

Other than going slightly stale for a bit early day 3, no. I just really like their content here. It's not mindmeld, more of an appreciation of their viewpoint during my catchup read and the content since I joined. I feel like they take in the mindset data other players lay down and really try it on for size before weighing it. I've met less than a handful of players who can do that convincingly as scum.

I'm vibing the insomnia issues with them. :/

There's a ton of interaction here with safebet

VOTE: Spangled

Your play trying to convince us to elim in a rush at the end of yesterday coupled with your massclaim advocacy doesn't look good.

The reason I pushed 72’s lynch at the end of the day was because I thought he was scum, and I saw no value in the logic people were pushing for a no-lynch. It was at the end of the day because... that’s when I was around; that’s when I found time for mafia; that’s why it was a rush.

As to massclaim advocacy today — first, I’ve only made like two posts about it, and they’ve been explaining why

I

think it’d be a good idea; I’ve hardly been going door-to-door. Second, y’know, I did uh explain my reasons maybe you could look at them?

Do you agree with them or disagree?

What are your thoughts about him now?

Less here

Ok that's pretty much all of it. Probably leading spangled based on all that, but curious to hear thoughts

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Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-24 03:25:00)

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I am here and can vote with 72

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Thoughts about last scum Mizzy?

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why isn't it?

Anything else you want before I hammer this?

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Oh you were on it already

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taking that as a no

VOTE: fferyllt

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Good luck 72

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Noooo do spangled you're gunna die

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MC hammered way too quickly there

? I asked and you posted a meme

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I am leaving the site for a while I just wanted to get the hammer in

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Come on a JK on me doesn't clear anyone please change the target

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4:1 we should be careful
I'm conf town now, kind of annoyed

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If anyone is tracker and has results let's get them out now, but I'm guessing we are all VTs

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Mizzy you are going to be leading town tomorrow because I'll be dead tonight, what do you think?

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@cylstar, any reason you decided not to vote?

it really is as simple as not being sure of how to vote.
VOTE: c4e5g3d5?

I voted c4 because I didn't necessary like his tone as other people have said. I am considering voting 72 since he seems to be quite defensive. Can someone tell me if that is more scummy?

I voted c4 because I didn't necessary like his tone as other people have said. I am considering voting 72 since he seems to be quite defensive. Can someone tell me if that is more scummy?

You didn't say that though. Your reasoning could totally be read as "this is my rvs vote, I only just figured out how to do it."

It totally was an RVS vote, but the thing that tipped me towards c4 was the reason i stated before. When choosing someone to vote, I don't actually use a random generator or something.
I am sorely tempted to vote Mizzy but I feel like they are more town.

UNVOTE: c4
VOTE: AGamblingPig
This is another RVS vote. Most of the other players I feel are somewhat towny.

Yeah well that is best case of course

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Oops

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As you can see I was starting to iso but decided I'll do it later on my phone

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Not on my phone*

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I really really don't think that C4 and Cyl bailing one right after the other is coincidence.

I agree but also I tried to use logic like that recently and failed miserably

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It is certainly more likely to be AI with a newbie but didn't c4 say something about possibly replacing out? I'll look for it later

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I agree with the logic but I also think there is enough in the isos we don't need to rely on that

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You too! We have lots of time

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I thought we weren't supposed to read into replacements.

I think this is up to Umlaut but I read the rule recently and there is not text specifically prohibiting it. It's more telling people to replace out and stuff like that. But If umlaut would prefer we don't that is of course the final word on it

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Also I was convinced the game would be over today cos a full day of conftown CAT seems super helpful imo and I was surprised by your reaction EoD3 (aka pls no/useful tracker)

I hope you aren't upset I was scum reading you still, I was just really thrown by 72's play. I still think D3 should have happened on D2 but 72 had a different plan and I'm sorry I blew it up. If we could have interacted throughout D1 I'm sure I would have been able to realize what he was doing as he was softing it, but it was just too far from what I was used to from his town game and no one was really pushing him on it.

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thanks

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I was frustrated because it felt like I wasn't being given an option to defend myself

Yeah that is really annoying and I'm sorry you felt that way. I definitely would never have pushed for your elim yesterday

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I will probably go through some more isos but I'm ok with spangled being the target right now. I should take a close look at egix though

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Spangled who is the last scum

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curious to get mizzy's thoughts

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Honestly I feel spangled will be one of the two elims either today or tomorrow. I kind of feel like it should be today and if the game goes on it's up to Mizzy to win it.
Mizzy it's up to you. If you want more from me before I die (assuming the game continues) just let me know.

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I will read the iso, it looks very different after ff flip obviously

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VOTE: 72offsuit spam bad

Piggy-backing off of Egix? Why spam bad? VOTE: chess moves

@cylstar, any reason you decided not to vote?

it really is as simple as not being sure of how to vote.
VOTE: c4e5g3d5?

UNVOTE: c4 His candid attempt to read me and Mizzy felt town-ish, also 4 on a wagon on page 4 is a little too quick for me.

VOTE: Bipolar You have to had more thoughts on the game by now other than "omg his name is too long," wanna contribute?

pedit: If that's how you read c4 I can't help it, I disagree'd with his tone and responses the first 2 pages

I voted c4 because I didn't necessary like his tone as other people have said. I am considering voting 72 since he seems to be quite defensive. Can someone tell me if that is more scummy?

You didn't say that though. Your reasoning could totally be read as "this is my rvs vote, I only just figured out how to do it."

It totally was an RVS vote, but the thing that tipped me towards c4 was the reason i stated before. When choosing someone to vote, I don't actually use a random generator or something.
I am sorely tempted to vote Mizzy but I feel like they are more town.

UNVOTE: c4
VOTE: AGamblingPig
This is another RVS vote. Most of the other players I feel are somewhat towny.

Is one of these the scum hop on and off or is it egix?

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VOTE: Egix

Please give me more

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Thanks!

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The last point is that it strikes me as strange the Egix mostly votes when asked... it happened several times, maybe 4. He only vote one time that I could find without prompting. Anyone else find this strange? Not sure if its AI.

Yeah, I usually don't vote until I'm very confident.

51 I'm not sure what this post refers to. It seems really out of place...
-snip-
And looking at FF's post above makes me think that Cyl's #51 was intended for the Scum PT.

Personally I always interpreted it as following on from her previous post - it was the figuring out how to format a vote that took her five minutes.

Nevertheless,

VOTE: Spangled

E-1

It's nearly always just him. FMPOV the only other person it could be is safebet, but if so he's played a really clean game since I don't think I ever saw anything particularly scummy from safebet.

This feels like a scum hop on

The other two early game slots just kinda look town to me??

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Really we just need to find one townie. I'm ok with safe bet but are you?

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Ok well let's try to get more out of egix today then

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I imagine that ffery was probably planning to cover everyone. Might have been going in alphabetical order?

I don't think so, seemed to be focused on you

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Here's what I think are the most telling interactions:
- hunter push on chess moves (28, 48, 88, 119)
- spangled slot missing from (689)
- ff does an egix meta dive (1038)
- cylstar early push on chess moves (50, 104)
- Egix never pushing chess moves/ff throughout the game
- safebet generally towntelling like all game (1305, 1377, 1653)
- catch up post from spangled is maybe kind IIOA? And maybe the 72 vote is too convenient? (600, 611)
- Hesitance to vote ff from spangled? (875)
- Spangled reaction to 72 and ff claim (1517, 1532, 1544)

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There is nothing in those posts that suggests to me that it couldn't be scum theater.

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Also my attempt at trying to get a read on egix was unsuccessful lol
UNVOTE:

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I am tempted to just hammer spangled.

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I guess we should wait until he is around?

Yeah ok. Intent to hammer you spangled. Please leave your last will and testament to Mizzy if you are town.

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Sorry if you are town spangled!

VOTE: Spangled

Good luck mizzy!

Egix/safebet you should reconsider Mizzy tomorrow just to be safe.

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GG, sorry Mizzy!
Should have pushed more for egix yesterday.

Thanks umlaut!

[MURDERCAT]

I won't ask you to play Mizzy if it's just too much for you (and besides you are a wonderful mod), but if it's any consolation I enjoyed playing with you and would be happy to do it again

I started town reading you for your reaction to me pushing you, which seemed genuine.