Newbie 2042 - Musicals

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It makes sense, though chances to get Cop/Tracker in setup, looks pretty high. Higher than chance for Eluminate mafia in 1 day.

Of course, it looks like lottery. Or i can't see something obvious. My thinking is wrong?

If you elim day 1 you get 4 chances to hit mafia. If you skip day 1 and the mafia gets their night kill, you only get 3 chances to hit mafia

9(elim+nk) --> 7(elim+nk) --> 5(elim+nk) --> 3(elim) --> Game Over. That's 4 elims if you elim everyday.

9(nk) --> 8(elim+nk) --> 6(elim+nk) --> 4(elim+nk) --> Game Over. That's 3 elims if you skip a day.

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Also, hello everybody.

VOTE: Facebones

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what would you like from me cid

solve the game for us

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GeorgeBailey (SE)

scum slip booke em boys VOTE: GeorgeBailey

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GeorgeBailey (SE)

scum slip booke em boys VOTE: GeorgeBailey

What about this?

a joke

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The same could be said about my post 87

So you don't believe George Bailey's scum? Do you have any opinions on GB's alignment?

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If it's not a serious list, then it's a joke list. If it's a joke list, then the punchline is lost on me.

post 87

these seems to be contradictory

enchant and cider give me town vibes

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The same could be said about my post 87

meant to put this full quote

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How is that contradictory?
I wasn't saying George is scum in 79, I was saying I didn't understand the humour if his list was intended to be a joke

if you don’t understand it was a joke, why would you be joking about the same thing?

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ok fair enough

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Enchant- what exactly about Salsa gives you a bad feeling about her?

I'm not sure, just when i read her posts, i start become paranoid. Something wrong with them.

i think it's the colored text, scummy

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Hello BM, hopefully we are not at odds again this game

I agree with your reads on enchant and facebone. I don't necessarily agree with the read on cider, but I can see where you are coming from. Overall, the push feels towny for now.

It's unlikely, but I quite like the idea that the solve is just Cider-GeorgeBailey, given Cider pretty much only posts to, or about, him.

Do you have a reason to scumread GeorgeBailey other than the Cider association?

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who are your top scumreads and why?

neither of these are confident, but salsa and gb are the two I want to look at

initially I put salsa slight scum for the color thing, but you guys say this kind of read is against the rules, so I will back off of it

GB's interjections felt like he was just trying to explain things and seem useful, without giving any opinions

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Sorry, guys. It's nothing to do with you or anything. The last few days my anxiety has skyrocketed and I was starting to obsessively check the game and argue in my head, which are signs for me to reevaluate what's going on and how I'm spending my time. It's silly and irrational, I know, but that's what my brain does to me; making mountains out of molehills and sometimes I just have to step away from molehills.

Thanks for understanding and have fun.

peace dude take care of yourself

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I picked a few that we can look at.

I've never even thought about salsa being a breakfast food before!
Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Oh. Lmao. I didnt realize it was L-1.

Well, it does make it easier when people announce they're putting someone at E-1

Strange question, but I'm genuinely curious - why is it generally frowned upon to use the word lynch instead of eliminate on this site? Is it something to do with the forum not wanting to advocate violence?

Us mere peasants can't even begin to comprehend this almighty trick else our our minds would implode

hmm he did seem nervous when I replaced in...

From what I've experienced so far, things like that are often described as "jokes".
I know- I don't get them either.

I don’t get how any of these, besides the one about salsa, are an attempt to pocket. Especially the question about lynching, like how does that even come off as a pocket?

Do you have any town reads or other scumreads?

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I don't have an opinion on your slot but I do believe that my reads on the newbies are most likely correct so one of the SEs is likely Facebones' partner.

Which of the SEs do you think is scummy?

Specifically, how do you read BM's push on you, and his pairing of you and GB as possible scumpartners?

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Another reason I am quite certain this is scum is because there have been zero slimy votes on Facebones.

encahnt’s and GB’s votes on FB were both awkward/baseless

i’m having trouble reading you one way or the other. i’m not entirely convinced you are mafia, but facebones i read towny. So if you are the two competing i’m going to put my vote on you, unless we can get a wagon on GB ideally

Town: enchant, fb
townlean: bm, mini
null/still evaluating: nm, salsa, amelie
scumlean: gb

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VOTE: Amelie

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if you are on the fence, amelie just practically claimed, so is a better kill

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I don't think he should claim until someone claims intent to hammer

but anyway i think both of your reactions are towny

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Salsa, who are your top scumreads and why?

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ok I think Facebones most likely town. Salsabil Faria most likely to be scum. based on associations I've looked at so far.

If Salsabil Faria is scum:

Likely Town - Facebones, Enchant
Likely Scum - MiniMegabyte, RLotus, Not Mafia

If Facebones is scum:

Likely Town - Salsabil Faria, MiniMegabyte, RLotus
Likely Scum - Enchant, Not Mafia

But I think Enchant is most likely town, and so Facebones is only ever really scum with Not Mafia here. Salsabil has a few more plausible partners. Plus she did drop the hammer yesterday, and it was a surprising switch from her scumread on me to sheeping me.

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

thats kinda funny, my thoughts were facebones would most likely be with salsahabil due to her hammering amelie when it made more sense for her to go for facebones

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I'm confident in Enchant and BM being town

I think facebones is town, but need to keep evaluating there

Mini felt towny, but needs to do more to go in the town circle

I think it may just be salsahbil and NM by POE, but salsahabil has been the scummier one
VOTE: salsahabil

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the PRs outing may be worth it if they know it's a set up with two of them, and if one of them isn't enchant imo

so probably just dont

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only setups with 1 PR are Cop-VT and JK-VT

So probably any other PR should claim

dunno, im just impatient to solve.

i feel my poe is pretty strong, dont think this is necessary, at least from my pov

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If Salsa flips town, this is the order for claiming:

Not Mafia
Facebones
MiniMegabyte
RLotus
Enchant

NM youre up

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FB, your role?

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i’m the real cop with green on BM andFB

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it's kinda my fail Salsa. Don't do situation worse. If you got Cop/Tracker, give info.

there's your slip, he would never ask that as cop

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check my interactions with BM on day 2 after i had checked him, that would be my best evidence

But, mini and FB just wait for the flip to give your opinions on the cops, so mafia doesnt know which to kill

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Oh wait. Cop+Vanilla setup. Then that's 2 confirmed, but so rare.

So. Revealing is Tracker/Cop decision. Other roles should't reveal before them.

I also slip it.

I tried to act like not PR, so mafia target someone else. Well, i'm alive, so it worked.

you are alive because you are mafia

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Ah when FB and Mini claimed, NM realized that I am the cop and that he had me as his green check lol

So his partner had to claim, it's pretty obvious if you look at the interaction

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check my interactions with BM on day 2 after i had checked him, that would be my best evidence

But, mini and FB just wait for the flip to give your opinions on the cops, so mafia doesnt know which to kill

Oh nice. You forgot one thing, you can only kill Doctor here.
You will never target me or self, because that's suicide. And Doctor 100% will heal Facebones, because of that.

Unless you are the roleblocker, unless they cant block and kill, I dont know how that works really

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check my interactions with BM on day 2 after i had checked him, that would be my best evidence

But, mini and FB just wait for the flip to give your opinions on the cops, so mafia doesnt know which to kill

Oh nice. You forgot one thing, you can only kill Doctor here.
You will never target me or self, because that's suicide. And Doctor 100% will heal Facebones, because of that.

Unless you are the roleblocker, unless they cant block and kill, I dont know how that works really

Oh, i forgot about roleblockers.

Then yes, Face can die too.

you must be the goon then haha

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Look the likelihood of Enchant being the actual cop is higher from my perspective

I assure you he is not.

Why do you think that?

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Look the likelihood of Enchant being the actual cop is higher from my perspective

I assure you he is not.

Why do you think that?

Just seems too risky if a play for a fake claim to say they have a red check and then that red check claim cop who has two green checks? Take it if you must but in my head you are lower down the ladder for this claim

He has to claim because if I had a redcheck on him or 2 alive checks then the game is over, it's not risky it is the play he has to make.

Furthermore he knew I was the other pr when he claimed since you and fb had already claimed.

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if anything it should be an indicator of him being scummy getting out in front of me, since he was later in the order we layed out, as if he is trying to look town

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I'll explain my checks.

BM- I wanted t check someone on the Amelie wagon, since I figured there was a high likeliehood that scum was on there. FB and enchant I was reading strong town at the time, so it was between salsa and BM. I chose bm because I figured it would be easier to find Salsa scum than it would be to find BM. Furthermore, if i had BM confirmed then it would helpful to work with him on the game, as you can see in my interactions with him on Day 2.

FB- I checked FB because I was looking for the other town inside of mini and FB. My reasoning was if BM lives and my check lives then I have the game solved. At the time I thought enchant was towny and he may die in the night.

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There would be no reason as to why NM would hammer themselves after having a cc if it was their mafia mate

he hammered himself so I didn't have time to claim

He was already outed to you, and he would have been outed to me since im the real cop and he put me in his green check.

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no he did it to distance from his partner

you are going to lose the game if you live until tomorrow

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im trying my best to convince you but it feels pretty lost at this point

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hopefully FB has a different opinion than you

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Look I’m going to go back and look at D2 for you but I’m not convinced at this point

you don't seem very keen on changing your mind, I hope you give it a fair evaluation

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Tell me one thing

Why on earth would someone who isn’t the cop cc the cop claim rather than wait for the actual cop to claim? Why would mafia draw attention to themselves like that???

To look opposed to the cop claim that is already outed. It looks as if Enchant was trying to bury NM with his cc, when in reality NM was already outed due to the role block thing. It is meant to make it look like NM and enchant aren't together, and it is working evidently.

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And if I may ask you a coutner question:

If I was mafia with NM, why in the world would NM hammer himself without giving me a chance to cc?+-

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it's kinda my fail Salsa. Don't do situation worse. If you got Cop/Tracker, give info.

This is really all the evidence needed. Enchant can say all the wifom about his as he wants, but there is no chance a cop fakes this kind of concern.

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To protect you!!!!! Ahhhh this is song my head in we are going in circles please Facebones come save me

How does that protect me? IF Enchant claims a red on me, NM hammers himself, and I go into day 4 without the chance to claim day 3, that makes me look horrible. Disagree?

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Actually, they would to not get killed by the mafia

There is no way an inexperienced player does that subtle of a fake VT slip

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To protect you!!!!! Ahhhh this is song my head in we are going in circles please Facebones come save me

How does that protect me? IF Enchant claims a red on me, NM hammers himself, and I go into day 4 without the chance to claim day 3, that makes me look horrible. Disagree?

He did it as he realised the game was over for the mafia

It really just seems like you are convinced I am the mafia and are conf biasing all the evidence for enchant being town.

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this is why im saying this seems lost

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To protect you!!!!! Ahhhh this is song my head in we are going in circles please Facebones come save me

How does that protect me? IF Enchant claims a red on me, NM hammers himself, and I go into day 4 without the chance to claim day 3, that makes me look horrible. Disagree?

He did it as he realised the game was over for the mafia

So first he did it to protect me and now he did it because he had given up

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ok there is no hope, hopefully FB makes it to f3

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Hope Facebones makes it to what??

final 3

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because you will vote me and lose the game

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because you will vote me and lose the game

To em you are implying you will also be in the final 3 yet you’re so set on Enchant being mafia if that was the case wouldn’t they kill you

Is this considered a slip..?

.....

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if enchant kills me I will flip cop and enchant will be outed, obviously i will be in final 3

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Yep so I’m going to die tonight because you saying that makes me think you have a plan

the fact that you are evaluating me as if you are already convinced i am mafia, and hard defending the actual mafia is a bit frustrating

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ok

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it is what it is, enchant had me fooled as well up until he claimed my role

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As i say, he probably did it for laughs. Here's no benefit for haste. Even more, it's harmful for mafia in this situation.

How is it harmful for mafia? He gives town less time to debate the cop claims and gives you the credit of being on his wagon. What you are saying makes no sense.

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I’m starting to think that maybe Post 475 could be a post in hope that if for some god unknown reason Facebones does tonight then despite the red check RLotus won’t be looked at as much

you are making things up to support me being mafia

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how in the world would i not be looked at if FB dies tonight

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youve already made up your mind

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The more time town has to discuss the claims, the more chance they have to come to the right conclusion. That is the reason to speed up the game. And I'll reiterate, it gives you the credit of being on your partner's wagon.

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i'm fighting a 3 person mafia team lmao

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The more time town has to discuss the claims, the more chance they have to come to the right conclusion. That is the reason to speed up the game. And I'll reiterate, it gives you the credit of being on your partner's wagon.

Aren't you tried to shut up them before, so "Mafia have hard time to kill"? What discuss?

me and you giving our explantion and evidence, that is what to discuss

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i'm fighting a 3 person mafia team lmao

No you’re fighting two town here

im fighting a mafia and a deeply pocketed town

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I’m starting to think that maybe Post 475 could be a post in hope that if for some god unknown reason Facebones does tonight then despite the red check RLotus won’t be looked at as much

Yep so I’m going to die tonight because you saying that makes me think you have a plan

hysterical

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oh look NM shading me too, it's like NM and enchant are working together or something

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no youre just a donkey trying your best to lose the game

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enchant is never dying are you high

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it's kinda my fail Salsa. Don't do situation worse. If you got Cop/Tracker, give info.

Anyway i see Not_Mafia as 100% Mafia. If not, it should be punished. Aren't that against rules or so?

Imo, this should be plenty evidence that he is not cop, no way he fakes this kind of concern for salsa being the cop as pr.

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VOTE: enchant

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Also, on posts 431-434 he slipped that he is not the roleblocker and turned out not to be

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Furthermore, look at the spot where he claimed on page 17. NM claims cop that was roleblocked, then Mini claims doc that was roleblocked. Immediately after being outed by the doctor, Enchant decides to CC. NM then goes on to hammer himself.

1) That sequence happened to perfectly. As if NM was outed and then tolld his partner to CC.
2) If enchant were the cop why would he claim immediately after the fake cop claim was outed? ESPECIALLy if he has a red check on me. If he holds his claim he gets to see what I claim and if I don't claim got, he wins the game. It makes no sense for him to do.
3) If I am NM's partner and Enchant CCs NM with a red check on me, why does NM hammer himself there? Surely, he would give time for his own partner to claim cop. If the day had ended without me claiming, I would be dead in the water today.

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Mini's reasoning as to why NM hammered himself immediately and not giving me a chance to claim was that NM had given up, which is pure nonsense. It is a 50/50 in final 3 and completely winnable for mafia, NM never just gives up there.

Why did ya hammer yourself?

Morally I felt like we deserved to lose

NM goes and says this in respone to Mini. Now why in the world would NM affirm Mini that he had given up and completely bury me like this? It makes no sense for my partner to do this.

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Ye, i forgot about roleblockers. I even didn't knew there is doc, before he claimed.

I find that hard to believe, as cop you wouldn't look at the set up and realize there are two possibilities. Either mafia has 2 goons and there is only a cop, or mafia has a roleblocker and town has a doctor. Mini had already claimed doc before you "forgot" there was a roleblocker. Now, if you are a cop, you would instantly see that doc claim and realize that there is a roleblocker. No, you knew NM was roleblocker and there wouldn't be a roleblocker going into final 3.

Don't fall for his dumbtell.

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I'm confident in Enchant and BM being town

i feel my poe is pretty strong, dont think this is necessary, at least from my pov

Here is me being confident in BM on day 2 (I checked him night 1). It is nothing earth shattering, but that is the evidence for me being cop.

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FB, that is pretty much all the evidence I have. If you have any questions I'm happy to answer.

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3. Because he is troller, who got mafia role as well or did this to place blame on me. Again, assuming i'm mafia, it doesh't give me anything but make me suspicious. You can claim next day anyway.

Dude, if someone claims your role and you go the whole day and into the night without counterclaiming, it is very scummy. If I had only claimed today it would be very suspicious. This argument is complete nonsense.

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I'm not saying any one of these things that enchant has done is impossible to do as town. But all of them added up it is too freaking obvious that enchant is the mafia here.

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3. Because he is troller, who got mafia role as well or did this to place blame on me. Again, assuming i'm mafia, it doesh't give me anything but make me suspicious. You can claim next day anyway.

Dude, if someone claims your role and you go the whole day and into the night without counterclaiming, it is very scummy. If I had only claimed today it would be very suspicious. This argument is complete nonsense.

I would just say town is dumb in that case.
Because that's obvious haste, you had no chance to answer at all. What scummy? At best i would disregard that.

Also. There is reasons to counterclaim a bit later, though that's specific.


So point not pointless. There's zero reason to not believe claim a day later, if mafia obviously speed up things.

FB, imagine Enchant claimed cop yesterday and I didn't claim until just today. Who are you more inclined to believe?

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Can i answer as well? I would just look for other things.

If mafia vote self before someone could claim, that's doesh't make claim less legit. You assuming like town can't think at all.

I wanted FB to answer because me and you obviously diagree about this

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him hammering himself didnt make you look bad whatsoever like what lmao

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in fact it puts you on the wagon of a mafia, just stop

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Also would i kill Mini? Like really, she believe me over you. Also i noticed how you trying so hard to change her mind and when failed just removed her, because she would never vote for me.

Oh look, you are contradicting yourself again.

Oh nice. You forgot one thing, you can only kill Doctor here.
You will never target me or self, because that's suicide. And Doctor 100% will heal Facebones, because of that.

You yourself said that mechanically Mini is the only one who can die. Now you use it as evidence to me being mafia.

You are grasping at straws here my friend.

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Lotus it probably in your position to spare Mini, otherwise it would look like you cutting my support.

You even said it would be best for me to spare Mini, but now you say it makes more sense that I killed mini. You can't get your story straight lolol

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Ok youre arguments arent compelling whatsoever but we will so what facebones thinks

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we will see what facebones thinks*

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Does it make sense for mafia to claim cop and say their investigation turned back innocent for their scum buddy? It's definitely plausible.

It's certainly possible. I find scum partners often want to distance in final 5. It's WIFOM at this point, so interpret his cop check how you want, he can do that to partner or non partner.

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FB, have you read through the series of posts where the claims went down, and if so do you have thoughts on them?

I feel the timing of the claims is key.

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I sort of agree with this question- if you are a cop, wouldn't it be more helpful to try and find the mafia with your check?
Can you please explain this one.

Basically how enchant explained. I did it hoping BM (my first check) would survive the night. If I have you + BM town then I just have the game solved. If I have BM town and say NM mafia, then I have 2 slots till unsorted.

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Of course. Mafia killing counterclaim is funny. But that's not about that. Mafia can skip kills if they wish. So, Lotus had decision to kill Mini or Not kill Mini.
He of course did, because she believed me. You can see how happy he say like it's not her decision and you will in final 3.

It is still the same situation, we each have to convince FB, and if the votes end up 2v2 we will eventually just sleep anyway.

What I find funny is

you yourself said only Mini can die

, but suddenly change your logic now.

Oh nice. You forgot one thing, you can only kill Doctor here.
You will never target me or self, because that's suicide. And Doctor 100% will heal Facebones, because of that.

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I have given it a read through, and like I said, I don't like how Enchant decided to not wait her turn to claim and jumped ahead in the queue. The fact that ~70 minutes after Enchant made post 414 NM got elimmed seems very opportunistic for the mafia, before you had a chance to claim.

yess precisely, it felt very well coordinated

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BM lead the wagon on a town day 1, no one should have been confident on him at that point. Well you knew bc you are mafia, That’s why you were so sure of yourself on town reading bm and me and never had suspicions. In fact you never had any convictions all game just awkwardly flopped on whoever town was voting on.

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Talking about phony checks, you got to make up your checks when everyone has claimed and just so happened to have a green on the only VT left and a red on the person who hasn’t claimed and can only be pr from the mafias perspective. So obviously fake.

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I'm saying that it is such a coincidence that you claimed a red check on me as sooon as you knew I was the other PR.
NM(mafia)
Facebone claims VT
Mini claims Doc
THEN you claim cop with a red on me, when I am the only possibility for that second PR.

I'm not saying this is impossible to happen to a town, but things are just adding up to you being mafia.

Also, yes, you should have at least questioned your BM read after day 1. He pushed hard on a towny and got them lynched. I'm not saying you should necessarily be trying to elim him then and there, but your level of confidence on the BM read after his actions on day 1 should only be coming from someone who KNOWS he is town.

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The whole reason of making an order of claiming is so that you get the mafia to claim first. Then, they will be locked into their claim before the real PRs claim. We saw that with NM, who claimed a cop who was roleblocked, then Mini claimed Doc who was roleblocked. If Mini had claimed first, NM would have known not to claim roleblocked.

So, yes, if enchant were the real cop there is benefit for him to make me claim before claiming his supposed red check on me.

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No, townies do dumb things sometime.. I probably asked more questions if Amelia was mafia, because how it's unlikely for townie push mafia member on 1day. Even more if he survive night after this. I dunno, i would probably just check him, just for sure.

Of course towns do that, but it should at least make you question your read. Being supremely confident just isn't natural there.

Also, counterquestion. Why you say i'm almost confirmed town as well as BM? How you explain that? I pushed Facebones so why you not question self about that?

I didn't know FB was town at that point. I just thought you had a newb town vibe. Admittedly, you played very well at hiding in the town up until your claim yesterday.

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Why i should wait for Doc reveal? List just lost his sense.

Keeping the doc alive really isn't that useful in that scenario. What, the doc gets a save and we have 4 left? Then it's better for us to sleep to make an odd number. Literally just extending the game.

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The only reason I can think that NM and yourself voted on FB instead of Amelie was because BM was so tunneled on Amelie. You thought that you could miselim FB then BM would make it easy to miselim Amelie the next day. Idk dude you should have asked him in mafia chat haha

FB, are the squabbles between me and enchant helping you solve, or am I wasting time responding?

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Actually I bet I'm right about that and that is why you so suddenly switched from the amelie wagon to the FB wagon.

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Because his narrative isnt very good

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never played as mafia

an elim is mathematically better than no elim

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It makes sense, though chances to get Cop/Tracker in setup, looks pretty high. Higher than chance for Eluminate mafia in 1 day.

Of course, it looks like lottery. Or i can't see something obvious. My thinking is wrong?

If you elim day 1 you get 4 chances to hit mafia. If you skip day 1 and the mafia gets their night kill, you only get 3 chances to hit mafia

9(elim+nk) --> 7(elim+nk) --> 5(elim+nk) --> 3(elim) --> Game Over. That's 4 elims if you elim everyday.

9(nk) --> 8(elim+nk) --> 6(elim+nk) --> 4(elim+nk) --> Game Over. That's 3 elims if you skip a day.

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again you only get 3 kills instead of 4 and have to dodge the mafia killing your cop both nights, just not worth

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and it also assumes that the cop has both his checks alive after all of this

not to mention you forego voting logic

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if you are having doubts about me talk to me, because all evidence really does lead to enchant

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the doc getting a save leads us to the same position we are in, each trying to convince FB, this 50/50 mind game thing doesnt come from the mind of a towny

you wanted to see if it was viable to target FB over and over so that you can end up with Mini alive, thats why you asked.

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Why the hell i want FB dead

Because Mini was tunneled on me? lol

You just made the argument that I am mafia since Mini died (even though you admit Mini must die mechanically), and now you say that you wouldnt want to kill FB either...

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your logic just does not make sense

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if mini were alive and nobody died, it would be painfully obvious that you targeted fb in order to preserve mini. You had to kill her, this kill doesnt even look good for you idk what you are even on about

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you’re wrong

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i told you to talk to me man

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not sure what i could have done better i thought my arguments were solid gg enchant

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i thought he made it obvious when he “admitted” to giving up

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made it it obvious that i’m not his partner

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i guess if anyone were going to try to bury their partner it would be nm but still damn

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don’t worry enchant played a townie game i was fooled as well