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btw, I legitimately do find it interesting Binatog was killed. I think the fact that Binatog was voting uncrowned yesterday then died in the night points towards Uncrowned being mafia. I also think Uncrowned's constant waffling over the day 2 vote, yet being completely ok with not reevaluating the day 3 vote was odd. I also think the fact he moved onto Lavar EoD2 was scummy. I'm leaning probably 60% scum Uncrowned 40% scum Gamma, but I'm definitely going to do some more work this day phase. I think it's interesting Gamma scum reads me, but I suppose it's not too unexpected. I said at the time day 3 that Gamma agreeing with Uncrowned that I'm probably not scum with NM was towny, however I've kinda changed my mind on that as their opinion was concurring with the thought Uncrowned originally had, as well as them coming into this day scum reading me. I do think the point that if Gamma was scum they'd just kill me and convince Binatog to vote Uncrowned, though. What do you make of that point, Uncrowned?-
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I think Binatogs claim backfired on NM and got him lynched, and with you understanding Binatog to have been a PR, NM would not have done what he did d2 if you were his partner is my read on it. Does that make sense?In post 988, Gamma Emerald wrote:honestly I'm concerned you don't see the issue there in my play compared to NM's during D2, because from objective standpoint I think one definitely exists
Like we were opposed, but we were diametrically opposed, which I can understand seeing as potential scum partners, but I think we just kinda had similar ways of doing things due to being SEs and it turned out NM was scum.-
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who is this to?In post 992, Uncrowned wrote:I think you're misunderstanding d3 or you're choosing to misconstrue it
I had already "evaluated" before you had done your reread-
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You bring up a valid point for why to disagree with it, but generally when people say night kills are just "wifom" I feel like you CAN "wifom" it but in general the first assumption of it holds more credit than the wifoming of it, if that makes senseIn post 993, Uncrowned wrote:idk on the gamma thing that's wine I think
like you could argue the same thing for me rn
-gamma says he's leaning you scum me town
I could pile on that but im not. but that could just be a scum ploy because im not actually convinced that gamma thinks you're scum so im trying to be more townie by saying I SR him instead
things typically aren't that simple
the downside to killing you for scum!gamma is that he'd have to now one v one towncrowned who he knows is relatively charismatic (I think?) and he is self admittedly not that charismatic of a player
I think gammas scum strength lies in going under the radar rather than like... super aggressive plays where he has to beat someone 1v1 in a screaming match if that makes sense-
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imo what's most likely is that you kill Ben because he's the hardest mislim. This is something I mentioned the last day, that the NK makes a lot more sense imo when it's made with that perspective, but it doesn't land on you because you're mafia. I think the assuming Ben was ever going to be a problem for me is wrongIn post 998, Uncrowned wrote:if we're going by that logic then what's more likely
you kill Ben who is going to be a problem for you
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I can't say for certain because I didn't try to get any PR tells from day1 but assuming the team was me+nm I don't see why we don't kill Gamma, who is an SE and utr which is decently pr-ishIn post 1000, Esooa wrote:
imo what's most likely is that you kill Ben because he's the hardest mislim. This is something I mentioned the last day, that the NK makes a lot more sense imo when it's made with that perspective, but it doesn't land on you because you're mafia. I think the assuming Ben was ever going to be a problem for me is wrongIn post 998, Uncrowned wrote:if we're going by that logic then what's more likely
you kill Ben who is going to be a problem for you
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under the radarIn post 1006, Uncrowned wrote:also gamma was most certainly not a UTR on day 1 lol what?
from what i remember he was mostly null read?-
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Ok, this makes sense so I'll consider it more in my reread of day 2In post 1008, Uncrowned wrote:so from a scumcrowned N1 perspective
Ben: Not easily elimmed, but kind of jumpy with his takes and not overly charismatic - probably wouldn't be able to push an elim on myself or N_M + can at least be pocketed by me, but not N_M. Widely TRed. High VT equity.
Norfolk: Not easily elimmed. Pretty calm/analytical playstyle. Can probably push an elim on myself or N_M if he feels the need to. Would be very difficult for me or N_M to pocket. Decent PR equity.
Gamma: Relatively difficult elim, depending on how engaged he is with the thread. Above average towngame judging from the last game I played with him. I think N_M or I would have decent chances of getting him on side. Decent PR equity.
Esooa: Difficult elim. Potential to push on N_M, but strongly TRs Uncrowned. Seems charismatic. >rand chance of being VT
TheDuke: Easy miselim. Doesn't have much influence with the town. Not much equity either way.
Binatog: Same as TheDuke.
n1 kill choice for me is pretty simple i think unless i come into D2 specifically looking to frame you, in which case I would've pushed you a lot harder D2 than what I did.
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btw if either of you want to meta read me here are my off-site games, including one mafia game https://www.mafiauniverse.com/database/ ... 20Universe-
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can you explain this post to me uncrowned?In post 555, Uncrowned wrote:I don't care much for their defense, or lack of.
If this is red, Esooa/N_M are where to look.
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Time to convince everyone I'm town to the best of my ability
Very soon into my joining day 1 I'm trying to give reads and contributions that are actually meaningful rather than randomIn post 65, Esooa wrote:I like norfolks quipping there, it seems towny to me. That's my first town read
Here's some of where I start pressuring NM day1. I think seeing this as distancing is *possible* but incorrect, I'm not distancing by calling him scummy or other such things, I'm asking him to contribute to the gameIn post 92, Esooa wrote:I don't really have anything to say about people being scummy. Binatog is understandable to vote for but they said this is their first game of mafia so they could just be unintentionally scummy. Regardless I'd rather leave them for another day because I don't see them as particularly scummy and I'd rather let a new player live a day or two. I think Not Mafia's posting wasn't alignment indicative but I think we're far enough in the day he shouldn't be posting nothing but fluff/trolling so I'll vote him for now
VOTE: Not_Mafia
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My day 1 had a pretty frequent theme of not wanting to hang LHF which if I'm mafia, this is definitely not the easiest route to take. I've been very vocal about who I read as town/scum and my reasons for this whole game, and I don't think any of my reasons are disagreeable
Again in this post and the last my pushing on NM is saying act towny or get lynched. I think this is generally a towny way to approach slots like his and if I were trying to distance I have way easier ways of doing such. One thing I think both of you probably will struggle with, as did I, is making associations with NM because of how infrequently he posted. If I'm mafia this is to my benefit, and I don't try to constantly push my partner into posting more and making more associationsIn post 102, Esooa wrote:Meh, and that's just how I am. If he wants to not get executed he can start acting townie. He seems experienced enough he can handle it
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I kinda express my frustration here in no one caring to push NM, lol, but this is also why I stopped FoSing NM SoD2: I, as explained, didn't have a strong scum read on him, and never said I did. I couldn't. I wanted content from him. And once I, going into day 2, had the belief that Binatog was scummy that completely flipped how I was going to see NM because my problem was contributions, but FmPoV he was pushing someone I thought was scummy which is pretty town. I'll explain more later
Here is my pushing against LHF lynches and wanting actual discussion. Personally, I didn't think Ben was THAT scummy, but he was my biggest scum read, so if I push that I can either get a stronger scum lean on him and get him executed or change that to a town read, just generally my play style is to push my reads and reevaluate constantlyIn post 159, Esooa wrote:my biggest scum lean is bendover for very strongly jumping on someone for one post almost leading to a exe and for litearlly having no clue what I'm talking about
Which I do here when I say I'm apprehensive about Ben rather than just thinking he's scummy still. I think it's very clear in my behavior in regards to reads like this, that my pushing reads isn't to set up mislims, isn't to do anything scum motivated, but is to progress the game. I also here give arguments for why NM could be scum, and I do this throughout the day. My behavior towards NM would need to be pretty ruthless distancing if I was, being that I try to demand more content from him, tell him he needs to be towny if he doesn't want to get exed, and arguing pretty consistently for why the reasons people give to town read him are wrong. I also think there's no such need for this distancing because of what I said earlier, he is playing literally with the intention to make associatives between himself and others weakIn post 247, Esooa wrote:
I'm still apprehensive about you. I think there very easily could have been some mafia in the original vote, which you mostly discounted, and I think NM very easily could be mafia with the person he didn't hammer being town. You already gave the reasoning yourself: It would be easy to figure out who the mafia is in the vote. This is why he could be wolf while the wagon was townIn post 245, ben dover123 wrote: Esooa, who do you want eliminated today? I remember that you thought I was scum just recently, but has that opinion changed?
Again, actively trying to solve. I'm not reserved to exeing between the LHF, I am scum hunting with the content I have and I'm working with other people to find out moreIn post 296, Esooa wrote:
Because these are the people actively contributing and I find it highly unlikely that both the wolves are in low posters. Games just usually aren't like that. And it's much better to try to find the active wolf than rng it into low postersIn post 295, Uncrowned wrote:
Actually yeah can you explain why this was your selected pool?In post 285, Esooa wrote:Who would you exe today between NM, gamma, uncrowned, norfolk
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Someone said I don't PR hunt if I'm mafia but I really doubt with this post that Binatog made along with my literal mention that he's TMI'ing someone else town I don't find them to be a PR. I didn't even give a shit when I first read this because I wasn't looking at what the PR's could be, but I'm literally accidentally explaining in this post to mafia why town!Binatog is a PR here and yet he doesn't die.
bompIn post 404, Esooa wrote:If he's not scum, it makes it really easy to solve the game. Right now it's either LHF or Ben, imo. So that's why I'd rather just toss the exe into the 1/2 rather than the what... 1/5 when you consider all the low posters here. But who knows! I could be wrong, that's why I haven't spent today just burying Ben.
I make a post that says why I really want Ben exed
Then I come in with this instead, like come on this is such insane wolf theater if I'm with NMIn post 420, Esooa wrote:after sleeping and rethinking things, Ben's play would be very difficult to do as mafia, not sure how in his range it is. Also Wiyverns posting I've liked much less than dukes at any point. I think I would just exe NM today tbh but barring that Wiyvern is the most scummy
I continue my "distancing" which honestly at this point might as well just be considered day 1 bussing if you think we're partnersIn post 426, Esooa wrote:btw if we don't exe Wiyvern today I strongly advocate a NM exe.
He's contributed little, not helping town progress
No one has a town read on him (or should, at least)
His flip will be useful because he's had a couple really awkward interactive with people
More reasons to scum read NM that I am willingly giving for nO REASON if I'm his partner, along with these being actually valid reasons to have scum read him at this point which I'm the first to bring upIn post 430, Esooa wrote:He didn't hammer
A few people defended him for little reason
His reads list is odd
Wiyvern started the game with an rvs vote on him and accidentally forget to put him in his reads list
I could probably find more
But I really didn't like Binatogs day 2 entry. I think paying attention to the way I reevalute on Ben is important and the way I play around my reads in general to understand my vote here. I'll put interactions I have with NM EoD2 and explain this more, but I'm never going to be stuck into my reads. I'm reconsidering my reads pretty actively and constantly and so I didn't personally see a reason not to vote a scum read just because another scum read I had before was voting him. I want to push my scum reads to get more info, better exes later, etc.
This was my biggest reason for wanting him exed after I had voted him. I was wrong but I don't think I have scummy reasons for pushing him, I had a legitimate read and everyone has had wrong reads.In post 661, Esooa wrote:was there a single person he actually accused day 1? Did he vote a single person without multiple votes already on them? I don't really see how you pay no attention to him ISO'ing me and being the first to vote me + his reasons for that when contrasted to his statement of just following wagons.
In post 692, Esooa wrote:do you have any comments on the interactions between uncrowned and myself, gamma?
I'm continuing to try to work with basically every person in thread while I'm in thread as well to get more out of the gameIn post 694, Esooa wrote:Who is your biggest scum read right now?
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ok but by your PoE who is the second cause I only see u not being mentioned as town thereIn post 787, Not_Mafia wrote:
PoEIn post 782, Esooa wrote:why lavar?
Your thought process has matched mine a lot today so you're probably town
Uncrowned has generally been townie
Gamma I guess did pick up on a soft and was pushing against Bina
That leaves Lavar, whose slot has pretty much done nothing
This is, again, a lot of wolf theater if you think we're partnered. I'm not only engaging with NM in a way that I'm trying to evaluate him accurately, but giving VERY legitimate reasons to scum read him while both him and a town are in hammer range (shortly within this window at least)In post 791, Esooa wrote:
well, guess. It'll help me find you as town if you areIn post 789, Not_Mafia wrote:I don't know yet, we have less than a day remaining so I just want to focus on finding the best elimination right now
More questioning because I'm trying to figure out NM's PoV if he's town and see if the PoV makes senseIn post 797, Esooa wrote:
Do you not think Town!uncrowned would do that?In post 796, Not_Mafia wrote:
He definitely seems pretty townie but the way he hemmed and hawed over the competing wagons was suspect, especially if they were TvT as I now am relatively sure they wereIn post 794, Esooa wrote:What do you think about the fact uncrowned has been consensus town read the entire game?
In post 820, Esooa wrote:do you want me to put him at e-1? I don't really want to decide that for myself rn, I'm feeling meek
And finally I end this EoD2 with being extremely unsure of who I want to vote, after interacting with NM as if trying to solve him. I have literally every excuse to move my vote onto the town instead of my own partner, I've given myself every excuse to do that, and yet I stay on NM. Like, is there any scum motivation behind my EoD2? You can *maybe* make a stretch and say it's more distancing but the amount of distancing we did is so not-partnery in any way and there's so much it's really just 1000x easier to understand these as W/V interactions (cause they are)In post 823, Esooa wrote:I really don't want to decide it after I pushed both masons and sided with who is probably mafia but I can
I probably missed some because it's hard to explain everything in this game FmPoV at once but hopefully this helps-
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I wanted to know why you thought I might be mafia day 1 if the Wiyvern elim flipped redIn post 1016, Uncrowned wrote:idk what I meant by it but I think it speaks for itself-
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especially because this was day 1 and your posts about me before had me highly town read, it felt weird to me when I saw that in your ISOIn post 1018, Esooa wrote:
I wanted to know why you thought I might be mafia day 1 if the Wiyvern elim flipped redIn post 1016, Uncrowned wrote:idk what I meant by it but I think it speaks for itself-
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I explained it alreadyIn post 1030, Uncrowned wrote:In post 820, Esooa wrote:do you want me to put him at e-1? I don't really want to decide that for myself rn, I'm feeling meek
hey esooaIn post 823, Esooa wrote:I really don't want to decide it after I pushed both masons and sided with who is probably mafia but I can
why were you pushing so aggressively on people the whole game but when it came to moving your vote here you were super scared
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I've simply said what I need toIn post 1031, Uncrowned wrote:also the way you went super quiet here after i voted and then retracted that vote makes me think you were inches away from victory and now you're just hoping i don't pivot onto you-
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I don't really know, I hate how few posts there's been this day phase cause I can't really judge much. If we voted rn I'm definitely voting gamma. I'm probably going to end there regardless but it'd be helpful to at least hear from them a bitIn post 1034, Uncrowned wrote:so what's your read atm-
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nah lol you can do that to me if you want though lolIn post 1036, Uncrowned wrote:you wouldnt vote him and let me conf town myself-
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lol I'm not going to be voting gamma before he talks. I don't want to let you confirm yourself cause you still could be mafia and I want to at least give him the opportunity to change my mind.In post 1039, Uncrowned wrote:so you don't want to let me conf town myself?
might as well just scumclaim now-
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what was your breakthrough?In post 1029, Uncrowned wrote:i think i have made a breakthrough with the case-
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@uncrowned in regards to my day 3, I've explained why I posted more. I think the idea gamma mentioned that I had a burst of posting is incorrect though. I've been active every day and day 3 was more so a lull in posting rather than a burst, and I even mentioned my dissatisfaction with the low amount of posts. I'd also like to say that is you're going to look for things setting up an f3, gammas posting about "I hope this is right cause I don't want to be in f3" is more awkward. My posting was actually relevant and it followed my thoughts in the game. I had said before I that I found Lavar town, we found Binatog town, and I thought cozywizards posting was towny. I gave reasons for this as well as reasons I wasn't sure about NMs voting him, and I'd hope you can see the towny thought process behind my wanting to consider it. Compare that to Gammas posting, which is extremely low effort and just just... Idk, but my posting at least had a direction and obvious thought processes that I think you should be able to follow, and Gammas was just there-
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On the point of one of us knowing you're town, I think Gammas multi quote was kinda weak in regards to you. I didn't really get the reason for things like his first quote, saying it could be scum or not?? I don't even know, it just looked like filler. I also don't know why so many of his posts were kinda meager in their reads, yet he came out of it being pretty sure he's going to vote me, including initiating a cross vote before I responded. I think Gamma was always voting me over you because I had said before I was likely always voting Gamma. Gamma didn't interact with me at all, including even responding to my own multi quote before voting me-
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Another thing is to say, my playstyle over all this game has been pretty, idk how to describe it, but I'm not apprehensive to share my thoughts and follow through on them. This has admittedly put me in a position where sided with NM, but reasoning for such is explained, both why I wanted to kill binatog and not NM that day. Gamma on the other hand has sat on the sideline all game. You can find scummy things I've done this game but that's the case for every towns game. Gammas posting is blatantly reserved, even to the extent you mentioned previously that you're surprised a town gamma isn't working with you more-
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Also, look at Gammas reaction to me pushing NM day 1, saying that's just how he is and other such things. I don't see any reason town Gamma has to deflect from him and this is, imo, WAY more partnery than me pushing him for content. Gamma clearly showed dissonance in where they wanted to push some low posting slots for content, but it's trying to brush off my pushing NM for content. My demands were applied pretty evenly imo-
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Also consider that in response to Gammas multi quote I can just phone post multiple paragraphs about my game, and I've been able to engage with every single player that scum reads me and I have reasons for everything I do. I'm not scared to put myself out cause I know I'm town and I don't have to make anything up but Gamma just sits back cause engaging on that level is a lot harder as mafia-
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it's pretty blatant I can handle being scum readIn post 1068, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I can handle an SR on me. I feel like a kill like that is one a team makes when panicking about the potential pressure on them, which comes from newer players.In post 1061, Esooa wrote:Also, gamma brought up the Ben night kill again. Do I need to mention smithery time that gamma was BELOW me on Ben's read list?-
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In post 558, ben dover123 wrote:
No, I mean that I probably might edit them after Wiyvern's flip here.In post 551, Not_Mafia wrote:And is that better than not posting them at all? We're all big boys and girls I'm sure we can read your notes taking wiyvern's flip into account
If you really want a hint, here is the current readlist that my notes are going off of:
General Macro reads
Norfolk: Transparent Town
Uncrowned: Proactive Town
Binatog: Genuine Newbie Town
TheDuke: Casual Lean Town
Esooa: Aggressive Null
N_M: Controversial Null
Gamma: Unproactive Lean Scum
Wiyvern: Unproductive Scum
he null read me and says only there wasn't time to consider it, not there wasn't time to pursue itIn post 539, ben dover123 wrote:
I mean, yes people get defeated when they are at E-1, but what is troubling me is that Wiyvern didn't post any real defense against the attacks against him. I'd at least assume he would try and put some resistance on the wagon.In post 537, Not_Mafia wrote:
People can tend to do that when at E-1 with less than a day left to deadlineIn post 536, ben dover123 wrote:
Definitely not liking the defeated tone here. It's like they already gave up on the whole thing.wiyvern wrote:I'm just gonna claim since I'm at e-1 and it'll habe to happen anyways: I'm a VT, so hammer me if you want ig, I'm not a power role.
also, I'm a they not a he
Having second thoughts about the wiyvern wagon, but I think this is the way to go. We don't have time to ponder over eliminating N_M or Esooa now with such little time on our hands, and plus their flips won't mean as much as Wiyvern's flip right now.-
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I'm showy cause I can be. I know I'm town and I know I have many reasons to be town read. I'm hype cause I'm gonna get you voted out and town is gonna winIn post 1076, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This just feels showy. Why do you have to tell everyone you’re mobile posting? Because you’re trying to show me up. I could super-effort here but I don’t believe it’s worth much at this stage. Instead I’m meting out my investment with a level head. I don’t need to post a bunch because I don’t feel the need to flood the thread with my position. The reason I called out esooa’s D3 posting was because I didn’t see a reasonable cause at the time. When I looked back, the cause became clear as her feeling a need to make herself look better.In post 1054, Esooa wrote:ooh hype gammas posting. I'm walking home from work but I'll post my thoughts from mobile cause I want to-
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We both have something to prove, Gamma. The difference is I can prove itIn post 1079, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No. You went out of your way to announce what you were doing, you clearly have something to prove.In post 1077, Esooa wrote:
I'm showy cause I can be. I know I'm town and I know I have many reasons to be town read. I'm hype cause I'm gonna get you voted out and town is gonna winIn post 1076, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This just feels showy. Why do you have to tell everyone you’re mobile posting? Because you’re trying to show me up. I could super-effort here but I don’t believe it’s worth much at this stage. Instead I’m meting out my investment with a level head. I don’t need to post a bunch because I don’t feel the need to flood the thread with my position. The reason I called out esooa’s D3 posting was because I didn’t see a reasonable cause at the time. When I looked back, the cause became clear as her feeling a need to make herself look better.In post 1054, Esooa wrote:ooh hype gammas posting. I'm walking home from work but I'll post my thoughts from mobile cause I want to-
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lmao I kinda fucked this game day 2 as well but thanks, it was funIn post 1101, ben dover123 wrote:GG's to Esooa, you really screwed up scum I think.
Also good attempt by gamma, killing bina was a gutsy play because Esooa was catching onto things. You almost made it-
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I liked playing with you a lotIn post 1107, ben dover123 wrote:
HuhIn post 1106, Esooa wrote:I'm glad even with my day 2 I was towny enough to win a f3
Too bad I died D1, it would have been a fun game to play-
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