Newbie 2041 | Herbs and Spices | Game Over

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no haha I meant as in like

"I'm not newb!scum" implying that you're just regular scum

but its just a wording thing im not actually taking it seriously

gamma what about the non slip stuff that has been said? do you have a response to cozy?

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that's implying he read scum PT which i guess is something that could be missed

uhh

so i was kinda thinking that he wouldn't try the gambit of "let's just elim both of us" but i've come to the conclusion it's probably *not* alignment indicative because assuming we elimmed you and you flip green it's kinda just a fresh state anyway and he'd pivot onto someone in ELo

im kind of happy to elim here, i don't think you're playing too hard for a scum wincon atm

VOTE: Cozy

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this is e-1

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you caught me ):

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yeah like i said it doesn't *feel* like gamma is overly concerned about playing to a wincon right now so i think he's fine?

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gamma evaluating me as possible town when they could push me as mafia is pretty towny so I feel good about cozy

feel good about them being mafia cause it's not Bina and likely not uncrowned

ok? We should talk more

what changed between the first two posts and the more recent ones?

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ehhh idk this is kinda weird to me

you had three full real life days to do ISO reads and whatnot and the thread D3 has been very quiet

i still think cozy is the elim here but if he's green this kinda feels like some tmi on a slot you know is gonna green flip and you're trying to "towntell" before we do it

based on vote counts and the way lavar decided to pop in only to hammer N_M with no trajectory on the slot at all i'm mostly sure this is the solve but... yeah idk man

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feel good about them being mafia

that's fine but it feels weird coming directly after you said this

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I am but if there's stuff you want to reread might as well do it

we got time

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I didnt want to spend the day because I've come to my conclusion

idk what you mean about lavar being TRed unless you mean from your perspective? I certainly didn't TR lavar when he arrived

also if we're assuming he told lavar to bus then him voting lavar before death makes sense

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my gth is definitely thaf you two should crossvote

but yeah really I got no idea. I think gamma is more likely if im being honest

im somewhat sure n_m was trying to create associations between you and him d2

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I think you're misunderstanding d3 or you're choosing to misconstrue it

I had already "evaluated" before you had done your reread

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idk on the gamma thing that's wine I think

like you could argue the same thing for me rn

-gamma says he's leaning you scum me town

I could pile on that but im not. but that could just be a scum ploy because im not actually convinced that gamma thinks you're scum so im trying to be more townie by saying I SR him instead

things typically aren't that simple

the downside to killing you for scum!gamma is that he'd have to now one v one towncrowned who he knows is relatively charismatic (I think?) and he is self admittedly not that charismatic of a player

I think gammas scum strength lies in going under the radar rather than like... super aggressive plays where he has to beat someone 1v1 in a screaming match if that makes sense

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if we're going by that logic then what's more likely

you kill Ben who is going to be a problem for you

or gamma and n_m kill Ben to frame you

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oh and yeah that post before was for esooa

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you do realize if norfolk or i were mafia ben would still be alive because we 100% could've pocketed him and he was obv VT?

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if i were scum i 100% kill Norfolk N1

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ben's ISO in regards to me consists of townleans at the minimum and ends with me being his second highest TR, with only norfolk above me

if i were scum i'd recognize pretty quickly that between the two of them, norfolk is the more dangerous as he wasn't TRing me as hard as Ben was and seemed like someone who could likely connect dots and be capable of pushing through an elim if he needed too. Couple that with the fact he had far more PR equity and the kill choice is pretty simple for N1 especially as it wouldn't incriminate me in anyway whatsoever

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also i don't think the differences between attempting to miselim ben/norfolk are all that different

like sure ben would probably be slightly harder but not enough to justify me killing him over norfolk, especially when i can just pocket him

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also gamma was most certainly not a UTR on day 1 lol what?

from what i remember he was mostly null read?

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I think the assuming Ben was ever going to be a problem for me is wrong

like i'm not sure you can argue this for yourself when you're trying to claim he'd be a problem for me?

if he wouldn't be a problem for scum!you then there is no universe or timeline where he is a problem for scum!me if D1 plays out the exact same way it did in this game

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so from a scumcrowned N1 perspective

Ben: Not easily elimmed, but kind of jumpy with his takes and not overly charismatic - probably wouldn't be able to push an elim on myself or N_M + can at least be pocketed by me, but not N_M. Widely TRed. High VT equity.

Norfolk: Not easily elimmed. Pretty calm/analytical playstyle. Can probably push an elim on myself or N_M if he feels the need to. Would be very difficult for me or N_M to pocket. Decent PR equity.

Gamma: Relatively difficult elim, depending on how engaged he is with the thread. Above average towngame judging from the last game I played with him. I think N_M or I would have decent chances of getting him on side. Decent PR equity.

Esooa: Difficult elim. Potential to push on N_M, but strongly TRs Uncrowned. Seems charismatic. >rand chance of being VT

TheDuke: Easy miselim. Doesn't have much influence with the town. Not much equity either way.

Binatog: Same as TheDuke.

n1 kill choice for me is pretty simple i think unless i come into D2 specifically looking to frame you, in which case I would've pushed you a lot harder D2 than what I did.

Remember: You were a competing wagon with Binatog D2. That time to elim you for scumcrowned to push you would've been then.

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idk what I meant by it but I think it speaks for itself

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Awh, uncrowned unvoted, I would have hammered here if I had the chance. Maybe I'll present it to someone else

VOTE: wiyvern

Esooa, do you want to explain why you are not advocating for a N_M elim today and why you want him eliminated tomorrow?

I believe wyvern is more scummy, so I want a wyvern exe first. But I was saying, in the case we do veer aware from that, I strongly believe NM to be the second best exe

was probably a reaction to these and similar posts from around that point in your iso

also holy shit if I am right and the wiyvern green meant scum esooa and scum n_m then I am a gawd

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oh wait I said if wiyvern flipped red

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well I'm really not sure then

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i don't think you can argue N_M/You being impossible as theatre considering there was no one else really pressuring the slot

do i think it's likely you were just distancing? no

but it's certainly possible given the gamestate. no one else was pushing N_M and thus it makes it easy for you to keep pushing in that direction every now and again for towncred

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pretty sure it's just gamma here tbh

he's coasted most of this game and while that's not super AI for him i don't think he's been as solvey as i'd expect him to be

well played to you esooa if this is an L

VOTE: Gamma

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actually I wanna see his catch up

UNVOTE: gamma

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i think i have made a breakthrough with the case

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do you want me to put him at e-1? I don't really want to decide that for myself rn, I'm feeling meek

I really don't want to decide it after I pushed both masons and sided with who is probably mafia but I can

hey esooa

why were you pushing so aggressively on people the whole game but when it came to moving your vote here you were super scared

TMI?

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also the way you went super quiet here after i voted and then retracted that vote makes me think you were inches away from victory and now you're just hoping i don't pivot onto you

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so what's your read atm

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you wouldnt vote him and let me conf town myself

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so you don't want to let me conf town myself?

might as well just scumclaim now

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im kinda of the belief that town!gamma really wouldn't just want to sideline a ELo even in a newbie

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I've made that comment that I did to Ben recently as town as well. It's well within both ranges.

As for TheDuke thing, I explained that multiple times although Lavars replace in made me rethink the slot. I said that Wiyverns no resistance wagon (which flipped green) was also probably indicative of town duke (though I kind of forgot about this once lavar entered which was bad on my part)

I didnt really like esooas end of d3 as it seemed like a push for towncred but idk if that necessarily only comes from scum

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I think you two should crossvote

its clear just like d2 im being treated as the important vote here.

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there's subtle shading of "oh it could be uncrowned" but no actual pushing in that direction. one of you knows im town and I *think* i know who that is, and the other of you is relatively sure I am too

so yeah put down the votes

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ok cool so im confirmed

gimme a bit just eating some cheeky nandos

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so I think gamma this game has treated me weirdly

in the other two completed games we have together, there were times where he questioned me hard. he actually had SRs on me and just generally felt like he really wanted to get a proper read on me

this game he has been so apprehensive toward me that it doesn't feel natural. like a weird middle ground where he's not sure how to engage with me but doesn't want to ignore me out of fear of being SR

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I also think his placement on wagons has mostly been worse than yours so im leaning on voting him atm

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I think I was the one that brought up Gamma/N_M on D2 tbh hahaha

maybe Norfolk did too idk?

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Gut is telling me Gamma.

I reread D2 and I think my suspicion of Gamma/N_M might just be correct.

If you're scum Esooa, you've done an excellent job of coming off as tonally town. Much respect if so!

Sorry if this is wrong Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

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put me out of my misery

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if this is incorrect then i am on a terrible streak of games atm

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Which one is it dont play me like this );

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lowkey proud i called this out d2 kinda

although I ended up sorta backtracking on it but we'll take it

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yeah this was a very interesting game overall I think

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you'll get into games with the same people pretty often here depending on what queues you're looking at joining up in

gamma and i have had 3 completed games together in the last month

i might toss my name into the newbie queue again because i like that they're a little slower paced and probably can't commit to too many games atm

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Hm. Kind of worried about Gamma/N_M being a potential team now.

I feel like I've been treated as a swing vote in this gamestate which has me cautious of being pocketed.

The way Gamma thinks Esooa is scum while ignoring N_M for making a similar push is a bit off to me. I feel like you'd call out both of them, not just one if that makes sense.

I think the "associatives" here between Gamma/Binatog and N_M/Esooa feels a bit much? Like they're *trying* to make it seem like those are their partners? I feel like they'd try to be at least a bit more subtle about it.

damn i can kind of be decent at the whole mafia thing... sometimes lmao