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Post #93 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:50 pm
Postby Trendall »
In post 73, Lunar Martian wrote:I also think its more likely that mafia would be pushing Tama for something like that than that Tama themself is mafia.
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Post #170 (isolation #10) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:59 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 168, Luca Blight wrote:What do you think of Mini, independent of what anyone else thinks of her?
Well they just seem to be responding like somebody who can't really do much about the arguments presented against them. Like if they're town they know they can't possibly have 'slipped', and with the preview thing I think somewhere they accurately pointed out that nobody explained what that really has to do with them being mafia or not. But if they didn't see it, they didn't see it, they can't do much about that. Generally if a player gets frustrated at the start of a game like that I'm more likely to just think they're town.
'Fellow townie' to me just seems like a turn of phrase that people use without really thinking about who they're referring to. People come in and say 'hello fellow townies' at the start of the game despite the fact that they know not everyone there can be aligned with the town. And the preview thing - I keep getting this thing recently where I submit a post and it just completely vanishes and I have to type out the whole thing again. Or somebody can just not see the preview thing or whatever. Neither of those things are a big deal for me so I have no real reason to think MiniMegabyte is mafia at the moment.
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Post #183 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:36 am
Postby Trendall »
I didn't say that you did, I said that one could. And it's just not necessary other than to create this 'look how helpful I'm being' vibe because you wanna look town.
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Post #187 (isolation #17) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:43 am
Postby Trendall »
You actually wrote 'with 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate' and all this kind of stuff on it. In reality all a person needs to do is say 'Mini is at E-2' or something.
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Post #194 (isolation #20) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:52 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 192, ben dover123 wrote:Does writing "With 9, it takes 5 to eliminate" on my fake votecount make me look like I want to look town?
I don't know why you are asking me this because I've already said that, yes. It's unnecessary busywork, and one possible thing that motivates players to engage in unnecessary busywork like this is that they are a mafia looking for things to do in lieu of having actual arguments against people.
That's not a 'strawman', a 'strawman' and other fallacies take place within arguments, and arguments have reasons and conclusions. I wasn't arguing for any conclusion, I just effectively made a statement about your being unreasonable in leaving me time to reply. That statement wasn't said in support of any further conclusion. It was just a statement, so no 'strawmen' can have taken place.
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Post #213 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:29 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 211, Cook wrote:Your reasoning is that Ben is intentionally ignoring most of your post.
I didn't say anything resembling this at all, he is welcome to ignore as much of my posts as he likes. I haven't complained about him ignoring parts of my posts once, so you might have misread somewhere I don't know.
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Post #222 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:16 am
Postby Trendall »
I don't see what relevance it has whether you are 'engaging with other players' or not. The second one, I have already explained what my position is on this so not sure why I'm being asked this when I've already answered.
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Post #230 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:44 am
Postby Trendall »
I didn't make a big deal out of it, I mentioned it in like one post, and then ben spent like 30 pages asking me questions about it as though I had made a big deal out of it.
If it were up to me I would have just posted like that one sentence, and like maybe someone else would have said 'okay' and like it barely ever would have come up again. You're the one who had a gigantic reaction to it and wanted to talk about it for about 40 pages.
Well a few posts ago you were complaining about me ignoring most of what you said, and now you are complaining that I am trying to prove
everything
that you say wrong which...I mean again you're the one saying 'you haven't answered my question this' and 'I want an explanation that' so it's like...what can I do?
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Post #239 (isolation #34) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:08 am
Postby Trendall »
I just said one thing, which is 'oh this guy's posted his own vote count which is like him making it look as though he's doing something' and I never had anything further to say on the issue. Like I obviously don't care about this as much as you do. Again, it was just meant to be one sentence but you've dragged it out into this massive thing for honestly over 50 pages now. So you've had this mega-reaction to like, the tiniest bit of pressure ever, that's what I can see has happened here.
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Post #241 (isolation #35) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 240, ben dover123 wrote:Didn't you SR me for the unofficial votecount being LAMIST-y? That's the whole reason why I brought this argument up. I didn't get why it was worthy of an SR.
I said it was a sketchy thing to do or words to that effect but I didn't come out and declare like 'I now have a SCUM READ on ben dover123 because of his LAMIST argument', I don't talk like that lmao. I think it's too early for me to identify who is mafia at this point, like some people in the game haven't spoken yet I think. All I did was note down like this one point against one player which like, might become relevant later or or might not.
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Post #254 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:35 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 252, ben dover123 wrote:Weren't you commenting on smaller and smaller things in my posts though? If you just made 1 post explaining why you thought my unofficial VC was scummy and answered all the questions then I would have been satisficed. Instead it took us about a page to answer all the questions post by post.
Yeah because you were just asking me the same question that I'd already answered over and over again.
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Post #259 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:40 am
Postby Trendall »
Well it's hard when I say one tiny little thing that isn't a big deal just as like a side comment, and then you spend 60 pages treating it as though it was like this huge thing. It's like, I could post what I think but then I'd have like another 80 lines of ben meta-commentary and 'uhhhhh. what?' and stuff like that to deal with and I honestly can't be bothered.
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Post #261 (isolation #43) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:54 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 260, Lunar Martian wrote:but you're definitely also making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be
I'm not, I'm just responding to his posts directed at me, and there are a lot of posts directed at me, so it's making me look as though I wanna talk about it more than I actually do. Like I said, if it were up to me it would have been like a two line conversation.
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Post #268 (isolation #44) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:07 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 263, Lunar Martian wrote:Trendall, you saying "you spend 60 pages treating it as though it was like this huge thing" when the entire thread is on page 11 is an exaggeration which only serves to escalate things.
I was being conservative actually, it was more like 80
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Post #279 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:24 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 278, ben dover123 wrote: You are just riling me up so hard it seems like you want to get into another scruff, which isn't what I want to do rn.
Why can't you handle someone arguing against you though are you mafia?
That's not true, it gave me information to work with that might be valuable in my figuring out your alignment as the game goes on.,
And again, just because you keep pointing out how town you are and how we should all look at you being so town because you 'want to work together', doesn't mean you are actually town.
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Post #291 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:43 am
Postby Trendall »
In post 286, ben dover123 wrote:Ok, so you say that I argued over such a small thing for 80 pages ish, and now you say it's a normal conversation? Don't contradict yourself my dude.
See this is the problem isn't it, I can't post anything without you asking some question trying to coax me into saying a less accurately worded version of that thing.
Because something's either a slip or it isn't, someone either knew something they shouldn't have known, or they didn't. So when people try to take minutiae about the way people phrase things and blow this up into a 'slip' as if something objective took place, it's suspicious.