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Post Post #1389 (isolation #200) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:47 am

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Ffery/Cabd, hope you enjoyed my IC-posting. Please let me know what I could do better to help newbies as that was always my goal in this game. I think if I took control a bit earlier we wouldn't be here? Though the learning experience (even for myself) is something I'll take away from this.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #201) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:52 am

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Lunar, I thought your behavior was
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scummy. It got to the point where I told Cabd this day that I felt it was 'too scummy to be scum.' I think that's an approach that is valid, because you played in such a dgaf way that it made me question if well, you'd do that as scum. I'm curious: was this intentional on your part? Why did you decide to no kill? Clearly you had thought about things more than I anticipated and I want to know what you and Safebet were planning or thinking about in some of these instances.
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Post Post #1405 (isolation #202) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:00 am

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I am not going to blame Quiet/Mikul but I will say that it was quite difficult to get a word in as you two keep entertaining each other exclusively. For some reason, you both just happened to have the same style and seemed to be at ends with each other. I was..shocked even. Shocked that newbies could post at such volume. The amount of effort is impressive in it's own right, but it's good to just let the thread breathe. It also helps to just not think about the game for sometime. I feel that what happened with you (Mikul) is that you became overly obsessive about an outcome and then tried to work yourself into a frenzy. It was almost like you were anticipating situations that have yet to happen and spent a lot of time trying to prevent them. You should've just let the game naturally run it's course, you'd be surprised how much you would've found out just by that alone.
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #203) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:04 am

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I'm proud of you Lunar honestly. Maybe that's wrong to say? It feels like a lot of time games end up where if someone loses that you have to feel bad for yourself, and not good for your opponent. I think this is poor sportsmanship. I know what I need to do next time but I'm also very happy that I was faced with such a challenge in the first place.
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Post Post #1407 (isolation #204) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:05 am

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Oh and of course I'm proud of Safebet too so congrats go there too
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #205) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:11 am

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In post 1409, Lunar Martian wrote:It certainly wasn't easy for us either. Town played really well and it was close to the very end. I was really hoping that yesterday Town would kill me. I think if safebet had led the push on me, then safebet would have easily coasted through today. But I survived today for the same reason I survived yesterday.
I almost had you D1 but ahh that dang doctor claim. Good thinking even if it's just 'look at the setup'. You said you wanted advice? Try not to rely too much on too scummy-to-be-scum because know that next game we're in if you're acting like this I'm just gonna eject you without hesitation.
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #206) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:12 am

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That's a bit bare

Before I continue on my thought, what do you feel you could do better Lunar and what do you think scared you the most?
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Post Post #1418 (isolation #207) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:29 am

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In post 1413, Lunar Martian wrote:
In post 1412, unwnd wrote:That's a bit bare

Before I continue on my thought, what do you feel you could do better Lunar and what do you think scared you the most?
Early on I'm not sure what went wrong exactly, but I had a really hard time picking it up and playing well later. I kept seeing everyone as obviously Town, which wasn't really an issue in the other game I played.
Yeah that can be really difficult as scum. You start thinking 'well, I can't push this because they're just so town.' I'll admit, even now I hesitate pushing on town because I'm afraid if I come at it wrong it'll be my head. Your confidence in that regard to reads was good, but I think you should mesh with that unsure/inquisitive townie vibe that your other game I looked at seemed to have. The doctor claim really did you a ton of favor because I was reading your play like 'I'm the doctor so I don't have to do much.' Games like that won't always come around though, so my best advice to you as scum is to try and hone into your sensibilities. It's good to display town confidence (as scum), but at some point people are gonna wonder where you're getting it from yeah? That's where faking your town motivation to find out the answers can come into play. It gets easier the more you try it, so don't be afraid to attempt different things as scum.
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #208) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:35 am

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In post 1419, safebet222 wrote:I'd love to get advice from any of you as well. I think that D3 was a bad day for me. I didn't understand the full mechanical ramifications of putting my vote down on lunar when I did. I also thought I nearly scum slipped at one point.
It's kinda funny because you and Lunar played polar opposites on the same team. I was really impressed by you getting out there and interacting with town. You weren't afraid to defend your position and did the extra work to make it seem like you really believed in what you were saying. Where I caught you though is that it felt like all that talk sorta amounted to nothing. You were good at explaining yourself, but to what regard does it matter to your overall reads? Where you're going to vote? I stopped seeing that, and one of the things that really helped me was actually ISOing you and Illwei, where your Illwei thought just didn't make a lot of sense. I realized you were just responding to town's best interests, and you never seemed to add onto that if that makes sense. Just work on using that aspect of you being able to explain yourself to also convince town to make wrong choices. I remember D3 you were trying to tell me it was Lunar/Mikul but I simply didn't believe it because it just wasn't convincing.
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #209) » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:38 am

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I will take any criticism/advice by the way. Yes I'm experienced, but that doesn't matter to me. Please let me know if there's anything I could better, and I hope that my presence was an enjoyable one.
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