Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

[BBmolla]

VOTE: bbmolla

lobby stalker

VOTE: zMuffinman

oh hey peta long time no see lmao

VOTE: Mikul
^obv scum, ez game

[BBmolla]

unwnd's opening post is kinda yikes, might be their personality though

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE: unwnd
VOTE: BBmola

Why?

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE: unwnd
VOTE: BBmola

Why?

Omgus

okay

[BBmolla]

I feel like a why me response, especially in day1 where votes are p. much arbitrary, tends to be scummy. There probably is no reason, and there is nothing to defend, but it's natural to want to. On reflection, BBMolla's other post was also brief, so maybe it's meaningless, but it's what stood out to me on first glance.

how am I supposed to read what a vote means if there's no reason behind it

and I was right there was reason, it was OMGUS

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

[BBmolla]

Hmmm.... I'm not experienced enough to say but the start of this game feels very awkward. It seems like people are trying to seem like they already know who the Mafia are but to me there's really not much to go on. Even the things other people are saying I think they're mostly reading too much in to. I'm not sure if faking confidence or being genuinely overconfident is an indication that people are Mafia though.

vote confirmed this is absolutely scum

hop on folks we're executing this

[BBmolla]

So why were you voting Lunar before this post then?

to push them for more content

why aren't you voting them?

[BBmolla]

Hmmm.... I'm not experienced enough to say but the start of this game feels very awkward. It seems like people are trying to seem like they already know who the Mafia are but to me there's really not much to go on. Even the things other people are saying I think they're mostly reading too much in to. I'm not sure if faking confidence or being genuinely overconfident is an indication that people are Mafia though.

vote confirmed this is absolutely scum

hop on folks we're executing this

what vote?

my vote on you

cause you're scum

[BBmolla]

BBMolla gives me an opposite approach, where he is already giving the answers. He's confident in himself and I think that he believes that confidence will cause things to go his way. I don't think that confidence is justified quite yet however, and I think his authority is more demanding than it is beneficial. While he may not be a newbie, the way he's approached the thread with lack of care/sensitivity makes me think he only wants to give off a tough impression instead of using it for town's benefit.

how people respond to conflict is way more telling readswise then a bunch of people being nice to each other

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
lunar vote was just for reactions and I'm relatively satisfied

moving on to a better vote
VOTE: safebet222

[BBmolla]

BBMolla gives me an opposite approach, where he is already giving the answers. He's confident in himself and I think that he believes that confidence will cause things to go his way. I don't think that confidence is justified quite yet however, and I think his authority is more demanding than it is beneficial. While he may not be a newbie, the way he's approached the thread with lack of care/sensitivity makes me think he only wants to give off a tough impression instead of using it for town's benefit.

how people respond to conflict is way more telling readswise then a bunch of people being nice to each other

I don't think I'm being particularly nice, but I don't know where you think newbies would even realize they were being pressured. If I were to regress back into my first few games, this type of behavior more than not scared me, and less willing to give reads. Why are you not in consideration of this aspect?

I feel like the moments where one is unsure how they're supposed to react you get the truest reactions, no?

[BBmolla]

What happens if they lock up? Then we just run the risk of mis-limming a townie who was too scared to do anything. They don't see pressure the same way we do, and I may be biased in that regard but that's what I believe to be true. I

I guess my point is that's better than the alternative. I've had too many games that activity dies because we get stuck in RVS/RQS because people are too afraid to take any stances so everyone defaults to politeness and activity dies and we lose.

Conflict I tell ya, that's what it's all about

[BBmolla]

like, you have null reads on more than half the game, who is your one confident read and what have I been doing different than all others?

[BBmolla]

A sea of null reads is a dream for scum

I'm hunting the scum who are pleasantly wading there now

Safebet is a safe bet

[BBmolla]

I'm here everyone... really busy day between work and kids... will post later. In the meantime...

@BBMolla... is this vote cause I've been gone for almost 24 hours? I kind of feel that you're voting whoever has been away the longest.

I'd be voting Turtle then

What have you done this game?

[BBmolla]

Going to bide my time before I respond to you BBMolla. I understand your disposition but I don't think you can force others to make content.

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything lol

[BBmolla]

I'm going to VOTE: BBmolla

This feels like opportunistically pressuring the quiet newbies to see if we crack, and just placing a vote for the sake of it rather than based on searching for Mafia.

what would I have done differently if I were searching for mafia?

[BBmolla]

Peta name the scumteam, go

[BBmolla]

I think BBMolla is more than capable to fake his own town behavior. Where I think he is scummy right now is that he is only

emulating

that behavior, and why I believe that is because I don't think any of his pushes or bravado make sense in the scope of things.

What is "that behavior" that I'm emulating?

Why do my pushes or bravado not make sense?

[BBmolla]

BBMolla, was Lunar's (lack) of reaction a reaction to you? He seemed to completely ignore your pressure here.

Yes

[BBmolla]

mr. turtle please exist so I can PoE the scumteam ty

[BBmolla]

unwnd - He's obviously pinging me with what I perceive as a condescending attitude... it strikes me as interesting that he only has one scum read and 3 town reads with a

fistfull of nulls (as BB pointed out)

, the BB scum read is disingenuous... In my little experience,

BB's method is common around this site

, I would imagine that unwnd knows this too, and unwnd's play overall pings me as an attempt at being a powerwolf.

First bolded: I admit my read-list had a bit of nulls, but I don't understand where you see discrepancy? I normally wouldn't post something like that this early, but I wanted others to engage my thoughts directly.

Second bolded: I refer to the argument I presented before in that..what's stopping BBMolla from just faking it? You're saying that his method is common but so too is that method being scum. You've referred to my own behavior being powerwolf but I think that term can be stretched out pretty far. I could make the argument that BBMolla is playing powerwolf by the way he is interacting with newbies, but I don't want to make this into circular logic.

I treat newbies like I treat every other game. I keep in mind that some people might act different due to not being used to the site meta, but playing the "kind, helpful SE" is unbeneficial unless I'm scum. Unless there's some sort of early fight that becomes the center of attention, but that didn't happen here.

[BBmolla]

I normally wouldn't post something like that this early, but I wanted others to engage my thoughts directly.

Normally meaning a non-newbie game?

[BBmolla]

okay, i like you

I had the opposite reaction to Illwei's post, I thought it was kind of gross

[BBmolla]

unwnd - He's obviously pinging me with what I perceive as a condescending attitude... it strikes me as interesting that he only has one scum read and 3 town reads with a

fistfull of nulls (as BB pointed out)

, the BB scum read is disingenuous... In my little experience,

BB's method is common around this site

, I would imagine that unwnd knows this too, and unwnd's play overall pings me as an attempt at being a powerwolf.

First bolded: I admit my read-list had a bit of nulls, but I don't understand where you see discrepancy? I normally wouldn't post something like that this early, but I wanted others to engage my thoughts directly.

Second bolded: I refer to the argument I presented before in that..what's stopping BBMolla from just faking it? You're saying that his method is common but so too is that method being scum. You've referred to my own behavior being powerwolf but I think that term can be stretched out pretty far. I could make the argument that BBMolla is playing powerwolf by the way he is interacting with newbies, but I don't want to make this into circular logic.

1st: Your BB read is disingenuous, I think you understand exactly what BB's style is and that its effective regardless of alignment. Also, its interesting that you're scum hunting but null read half the field...

2nd: By your own admission, this is wifom. So why is BB not also worthy of status in your null pile?

This is the discrepancy.

Oi thank you for finding the words for me lmao

[BBmolla]

okay, i like you

I had the opposite reaction to Illwei's post, I thought it was kind of gross

I should probably expant on my last comment
What about it didn't sit right with you?

Ignoring this, I immediately dislike unwnd and safebet a tad for having full reads, despite there not really much going on. Safebet was feeling pressured it seems, and unwnd was doing it under the pretense of teaching, so...okay...

"They seem scummy for this reason... but it's invalid... anyway"

seems like scum fencesitting

I don't feel that strongly about it atm tbh

[BBmolla]

BBMolla, was Lunar's (lack) of reaction a reaction to you? He seemed to completely ignore your pressure here.

Yes

Personally, I remain skeptical. Especially because Lunar questioned you on your vote in #87. It seemed like you realized some intelligent life in our little alien and didn't wanna be caught on a bad wagon.

Furthermore, I think that it contradicts your own claimed behavior in your response to me initially (#105). You have had two instances to interact with players and you have instead chosen to disengage:

Spoiler:

VOTE: bbmolla

lobby stalker

VOTE: zMuffinman

oh hey peta long time no see lmao

VOTE: Mikul
^obv scum, ez game

UNVOTE: unwnd
VOTE: BBmola

Why?

UNVOTE: unwnd
VOTE: BBmola

Why?

Omgus

okay

Spoiler:

VOTE: Lunar Martian

Hmmm.... I'm not experienced enough to say but the start of this game feels very awkward. It seems like people are trying to seem like they already know who the Mafia are but to me there's really not much to go on. Even the things other people are saying I think they're mostly reading too much in to. I'm not sure if faking confidence or being genuinely overconfident is an indication that people are Mafia though.

vote confirmed this is absolutely scum

hop on folks we're executing this

So why were you voting Lunar before this post then?

to push them for more content

why aren't you voting them?

Hmmm.... I'm not experienced enough to say but the start of this game feels very awkward. It seems like people are trying to seem like they already know who the Mafia are but to me there's really not much to go on. Even the things other people are saying I think they're mostly reading too much in to. I'm not sure if faking confidence or being genuinely overconfident is an indication that people are Mafia though.

vote confirmed this is absolutely scum

hop on folks we're executing this

what vote?

my vote on you

cause you're scum

BBMolla gives me an opposite approach, where he is already giving the answers. He's confident in himself and I think that he believes that confidence will cause things to go his way. I don't think that confidence is justified quite yet however, and I think his authority is more demanding than it is beneficial. While he may not be a newbie, the way he's approached the thread with lack of care/sensitivity makes me think he only wants to give off a tough impression instead of using it for town's benefit.

how people respond to conflict is way more telling readswise then a bunch of people being nice to each other

UNVOTE:
lunar vote was just for reactions and I'm relatively satisfied

moving on to a better vote
VOTE: safebet222

If your claims in #105 were actually true, then you wouldn't be attempting the same thing not once, but twice. I think maybe even three if we count safebet. I don't believe you attempted to discern either of their alignments through interaction and instead are just placing votes and making strong remarks under a guise of scumhunting.

I said in 105 I wanted to hunt in the null reads

so I hunted in the null reads by pressuring them

and because I did that more than once it's scummy

???

I don't follow

[BBmolla]

okay, i like you

I had the opposite reaction to Illwei's post, I thought it was kind of gross

It seems we have very different ways of looking at the game, and that suggests that your thoughts possibly aren't motivated by the same things as me.

The first part of the statement is true, the conclusion is false.

[BBmolla]

i'm...going to be honest. i had the same thought as unwnd, i felt like you abandoned your vote on lunar far too early

There were bigger fish to fry imo. I thought the nonreaction was enough for me to look elsewhere, but I think it's reasonable that you don't.

do you think the way i'm playing is scummy?

If I was playing that way it would be. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is for you. But I'm noting it.

i have an instinctual distrust of early readlists and so i felt a small bond with illwei when he said that. i don't think it's a reliable tell, and i don't necessarily have any issue with the content of either unwnd or safebet's lists, which is why i'm not voting them, but i appreciate that illwei thinks that way, on a gut level it feels town to me. why did you have an issue with that post?

I explained above but the fencesittiness bothered me, but I liked their response to me disliking it and I don't feel that strongly about it anymore.

[BBmolla]

Mikul's wave of posting seems town

[BBmolla]

Feel relatively okay about almost all active posters

Still trying to determine if unwnd believes what they're saying or if it's calculated, that's going to determine whether they're town or scum

Looking forward to Lunar's reaction to further pressure

I feel good about Mikul, Quiet, Illwei

Safebet/Peta is where my vote will be if Turtle seems town

VOTE: Mr. Turtle

We're just about 10 pages in, I'm not going to keep letting this slot slide. Time to post hombre. I don't even need you to read the game start posting, read this page and give your thoughts.

[BBmolla]

Deceius

Fun fact, his named was actually Decimus, it was a typo lol

Turtleboy I will literally get fferyllt to hit you up on discord, I really need to know your slots alignment to figure out this game

[BBmolla]

Slightly, that’s primarily why I wanted to go Mr. Turtle, Safebet might be PoE scum but I can’t tell without Turty

[BBmolla]

While nice he sees things from my point of view, as I posted earlier agreeing =/= same alignment

[BBmolla]

You’re likely right about prod timer wish I could message him on discord lmao

[BBmolla]

meh like safebet's scumreads seem against the grain, he's hardly "safe" as you called him, and i feel likethere's some decent belief there, not a lot of caution in his language, put a lot of people as town early, hasn't backed down on his mikul scumread even though it's going against what other people say

I just don't get a lot of townpings in his post, that's all it really comes down to for me atm

[BBmolla]

I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily

[BBmolla]

meh like safebet's scumreads seem against the grain, he's hardly "safe" as you called him, and i feel likethere's some decent belief there, not a lot of caution in his language, put a lot of people as town early, hasn't backed down on his mikul scumread even though it's going against what other people say

I just don't get a lot of townpings in his post, that's all it really comes down to for me atm

I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily

idk we can fight about it if you try to wagon him i guess

sounds like a plan

[BBmolla]

whats yr read on unwnd

cant tell if scum or just reads the game very very differently

still deciding

[BBmolla]

VOTE: unwnd

Spoiler:

I get why you voted me, but you're reading it wrong

VOTE: unwnd

[BBmolla]

Hey this is bad form but I don’t want to spend another week wasting time on trying to convince y’all I’m town, so I’m just gonna hard claim that I’m probably a power role.

[BBmolla]

If I’m right about things a night kill on me is likely to fail but I welcome it and why I’m pretty okay claiming early

I’m honestly kind of okay executing Turtle at this point, if they can start to contribute more than cool but if their posting rate continues they are just going to be an unreadable enigma

[BBmolla]

Hey this is bad form but I don’t want to spend another week wasting time on trying to convince y’all I’m town, so I’m just gonna hard claim that I’m probably a power role.

COME ON MAN

shrug

If the Turtle slot doesn't post more in the next day or so I will be voting that way, too much of a wildcard either which way

[BBmolla]

Hey this is bad form but I don’t want to spend another week wasting time on trying to convince y’all I’m town, so I’m just gonna hard claim that I’m probably a power role.

COME ON MAN

shrug

If the Turtle slot doesn't post more in the next day or so I will be voting that way, too much of a wildcard either which way

dude cmon you could have talked to me; you shouldn't pull this crap in a newbie game

turtle was the secret scum read i mentioned a while ago but it was sort of predicated on the premise he was going to flake, and he didn't, but certainly could still be scum

let's talk about it more post game

VOTE: Turtle

[BBmolla]

I have literally no idea how to read turtle.

None.

Here's my scenario for you:

Turtle doesn't get elimmed
Mafia don't kill him obv

So that means if we get to LYLO he's going to be there

Do you want to be in LYLO with Turtle?

I guess there's the off chance he could be a PR and that's like the only scenario where we shouldn't execute him here

[BBmolla]

Molla very well could be scum and have an idea what colums we are / are not in. Not directly claiming a role could be a safe thing to do if he's half faking because as scum he would have an informed perspective of what game we are playing

soudns good let's explore me beign scum tomrorow

[BBmolla]

I don't think there is a reason to leave it alone. Because he is either fake claiming or he's cop or tracker. I would rather tie him to his role and not leave it open to flex in later dayphases in case he is take claiming and decides to take the 1v1

[BBmolla]

I will say if he's fake claiming as vanilla or says that. I am auto lynching without a second thought.

sounds good let's explore all this tomorrow

[BBmolla]

I would really like you to hard claim

i will hard claim that I am probably a power role

any more than that you can find out from my flip

[BBmolla]

[quote = Somewhere bb said]
So that means if we get to LYLO he's going to be there

I don't like this line of reasoning, it seems worse than an Info kill to me. It's voting someone out because you think you won't be able to read them later?? and you're kinda preflipping Turtle there as Village.[/quote]
I mean

If they're scum then executing them in LYLO is not a concern

if Turtle is scum it's more about the fact that their unengagement will always allow them to get away with not playing the game thus not allowing us to catch them

[BBmolla]

I have literally no idea how to read turtle.

None.

Here's my scenario for you:

Turtle doesn't get elimmed
Mafia don't kill him obv

So that means if we get to LYLO he's going to be there

Do you want to be in LYLO with Turtle?

I guess there's the off chance he could be a PR and that's like the only scenario where we shouldn't execute him here

i agree with the fundamental idea that mr turtle should be elim'd before ELo unless he starts contributing or claims a power role that isn't counter claimed. don't know if i want to do it day 1 when i can learn more voting elsewhere but depends a lot on how he answers my questions

we have 8 days so I'm fine waiting

If they start playing and start townpinging I'm all for not executing

but so far their content is nigh unreadable

but let's see what happens

[BBmolla]

nah I won't out you

[BBmolla]

VOTE: molla

I am willing to call your bluff on that. If it takes a flip to get a claim, I will take the flip.

okay

[BBmolla]

what's the benefit in elimming me today instead of tomorrow

[BBmolla]

Gives you more time to work out what you are doing. I don't necessarily want to eliminate you. I want to tie you to something. After things happen it's alot easier to walk back or tailor your soft / breadcrumb to what happened. Forcing you into something makes claiming a lot harder to walk back if conflicting stuff happens.

Hard claiming helps scum more than town

Explain why you disagree with this statement so I can work through it with you

[BBmolla]

@ peta.

Again I know why you are saying this. Because of what it forces. But if he's lying , I'm telling you we are going to end up on a weird 1v1 or him totally walking back what he is saying. One that he will get a pass on from most people.

I’ll hard claim tomorrow, if I 1v1 someone then we’re guaranteed to get one scum

Which considering 1/7 town is ~15% of the town and 1/2 scum is 50% of the scum it’s a good trade

[BBmolla]

@molla

Okay when tomorrow comes around. If you claim vanilla my vote is not moving for the rest of the game until you die.

Do what you will.

[BBmolla]

don't know if I said this, but I am unopposed if we go to Lunar instead, I reread his ISO today and was thoroughly underwhelmed.

[BBmolla]

im down to discuss my play tomorrow or post game, it really benefits town less for me to say more.

Also, I'm noticing that I keep messing up my pronouns. I need to start defaulting to they. Sorry, everyone.

Spoiler: if this is for me, off topic sidenote

if this is for me, I identify as a man, but for pronoun my preference is a singular he or she, I just don't really care which. Pre-Covid, I did a lot of theatre, and theatre is getting very much into using pronoun identifiers upon introduction so I've been thinking a lot about my pronouns and I feel bothered saying "Hi, I'm BBmolla, I prefer he/him/his" because it's technically not true. I don't think I have a preference, but I've also never had anyone refer to me as anything as he, so I could be wrong. I know I dislike being referred to as they, but I guess I was a bit curious if I would not like to be called "she" and wanted to see if there was a way to experiment with that.

Anyway, maybe this is all very belittling to those who truly are affected by incorrect pronoun usage, so I've removed it for now.

Long story short, if you want to match what I identify as, go ahead and use he.

[BBmolla]

Mafiascum has a much more dayplay focused game, the power roles are there but the focus is not on them. We have a lot of games that don't even have power roles because there's very much a belief that scum can be found just by dayplay, and this has rang true throughout games on this site.

Even if day one the scum may have an easier time blending in, this facade becomes more and more difficult to keep up as the game goes further, because they have to keep their story of beliefs straight.

But keeping it all consistent is why your lack of posting bothers us so much Turtle, it gives no info on you any which way.

if you're having a hard time with reads, answer these for me:

• If the mod came out and confirmed Lunar Martian as scum, based on the interaction Lunar had with people today, who would be your first guess as to who their partner is?
  
• Is there anyone you find unlikely to be their partner?
  
• If there were mafia on your wagon (AKA, the people voting you), who is your best guess as to who it would be?

[BBmolla]

I don't really understand the part of your quote which I have colored red. Could you elaborate on that?

The less posts you have, the easier it is to keep your through-line in order if your mafia. Hence the "mafia lurk" stereotype.

But, even if you're town, it doesn't give us any sort of way to figure that out. I was jumping points that was my bad.

[BBmolla]

I like Quiets musings personally, I think they’re relevant

I’m content with a Lunar elim, but

always get a claim before a hammer.

It’s site standard and also helps prevent elimming PRs pointlessly.

[BBmolla]

I would like to state that I’m suspicious of Peta

I can try to elaborate but a Lunar flip would help me figure that out better anyway and I don’t want to elim PETA today

[BBmolla]

I would like to state that I’m suspicious of Peta

I can try to elaborate but a Lunar flip would help me figure that out better anyway and I don’t want to elim PETA today

lol at thinking you could catch me

lul

[BBmolla]

I'm just off in left field. Is no one else really just pinging scum with quiet. Like my Spidey sense is vibrating so fast, it's euphoric. Everything about him is off

not for me, but I also didn't think all his stuff was filler

safebet is probably town tho

[BBmolla]

yeah I don't get the fuss about quiet tbh

@Lunar: intent to hammer

please claim

[BBmolla]

@Lunar: intent to hammer
please claim

would you also be willing to wait on a response from Illwei before hammering? I want to have them double down or back off before Luner is elimmed.

yeah sure I mean we gotta wait for lunar anyway

[BBmolla]

Lunar hasn't seemed to be trying that hard, and I understand that they're a new player so maybe I should be more lenient, but they haven't been doing anything really or updating us saying that they are busy/inexperienced/unsure.

they did, they said they're busy till Wednesday

so we're gonna twiddle our thumbs

[BBmolla]

There are 9 of us. 6 townies and 3 scum, right?

reread the setup please

[BBmolla]

I think a two ringer scumteam seems more likely than a 2 newbie scumteam

Why

Lunar flip tells me about PETA cause there are a lot of interactions there and I don’t want to elim peta today

[BBmolla]

Fuck it

VOTE: LunarMartian

Hammered, fuck the claim. See y’all tomorrow.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:

[BBmolla]

alright I'll be here if you need me, I don't like any of the new wagons forming

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Peta

[BBmolla]

oh so you are skipping the lunar flip and just reading peta now?
what changed?

or is this another reaction test?

lunar wagon is dead apparently

[BBmolla]

I'm not so sure the first one was a reaction test. maybe BB didn't notice.

it was

[BBmolla]

like we're just going to deadline wagon someone and it's going to be awful and I'm not looking forward to it when Lunar seemed like a solid scum or info lynch

im a bit annoyed

[BBmolla]

you never answered why you think lunar's flip would say anything about me

further, do you think i have any impetus to dismantle the lunar wagon wagon if scum?

We’ve all interacted with the lunar wagon, it’d say something.

And yes, considering your helpful nature this game I could see you jumping off Lunar for towncred or just to stop a buddy elim.

[BBmolla]

Regardless the vote is symbolic anywho cause we’re not executing you lol

[BBmolla]

Id rather turtle get replaced

Lunar I think is scum at this point

[BBmolla]

Well I’d rather turtle just post a whole lot more but if that’s not an option a replacement would be great lol

[BBmolla]

Id rather turtle get replaced

Lunar I think is scum at this point

Well you thought I was Mafia the whole time and seemingly for no reason, but then you also unvoted me.

I don't trust molla and I don't think that a vague claim should be enough to protect the most suspicious player in the game.

BTW, I'm here and getting up to speed. Feel free to ask any questions or prod me on things I missed.

omgus

[BBmolla]

yeah either elim is fine for me at this point

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Norfolk Boy1

short on time let's turn up the heat

[BBmolla]

We have a day to deal with claims homies we need to get moving

[BBmolla]

I don’t CC but there’s more to it I’ll explain tomorrow

[BBmolla]

If I die then it should become clear anyway

Oh boy hope I don’t

[BBmolla]

I’m afraid you might get the wrong idea from what I said

I don’t want to elim Lunar today

[BBmolla]

Sadly I think Norfolk is town with their claim

But we’re out of time I think

[BBmolla]

VT unprompted claim seemed Town

Quiet or Unwnd might be the way to go

But we’re low on time so I can live with us just going Norfolk for safety

[BBmolla]

Try not to keep claiming unless you’re claiming PR please and thanks

[BBmolla]

Fuck this game is hard

[BBmolla]

I don’t trust Peta

I’m fairly confident he’s why this game is so difficult

Peta: you truly think we’re being outsmarted by someone who thinks a fake townslip is a good idea

[BBmolla]

Okay fuck it

VOTE: Illwei

[BBmolla]

Unwnd should be dead by ELLO

[BBmolla]

unwnd is almost certainly scum

[BBmolla]

honestly definite possibility they're both scum and we win lol

[BBmolla]

the amount of information quiet flip gives is tempting tbh

[BBmolla]

Ill be pondering and hammer before bed

[BBmolla]

Illwei your reasoning is weird

[BBmolla]

why do you think that elim is better than quiet

[BBmolla]

the composition of the quiet wagon was far better than the wagon on you. someone is scum on your wagon unless you are scum.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Norfolk

just to be sure I guess.

night.

[BBmolla]

This ones on me boys

Well played Mafia y’all fought hard for that one