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Post #722 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:56 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
these were my reading-during-night-phase takes:
top townreads: FBJim (too townie for school), Ydrasse (assuming crumb substantiated)
moderate townread: Vasex (just seems townie)
null: floo, team rocket queen
top scumreads: HUB (open-wolfing hard?), KittyTacky (that apologetic E-1 vote was pretty gross)
Probably for the best Ydrasse died, as a VT claim after that crumb would've been instant-death. But Ydrasse did a great job of drawing the NK so kudos.
I want to elim KittyTacky today, and give HUB benefit of the doubt for now I think.
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Post #725 (isolation #3) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:04 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 723, Vasex wrote: I have a ready post but the night victim is rather unexpected. This is good that one of the susps is dead and she is just a vanilla townie.
Please tell me why the Ydrasse-kill was unexpected? For me, it was the most obvious kill choice and basically guarantees we don't have a doctor.
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Post #733 (isolation #7) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:12 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
i've played many games with ydrasse. if i'm scum, i'm for sure killing ydrasse there, and if i'm town, i'm for sure elimming ydrasse on a vanilla-claim.
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Post #736 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:15 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
i dont think it really helps sorting-wise, given I think everyone here would probably have done the same thing. I'm wary of you and HUB as SEs both playing it down.
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In post 733, Battle Mage wrote:and if i'm town, i'm for sure elimming ydrasse on a vanilla-claim.
all by yourself?
is that meant to be a joke or a serious question?
more of a egocheck/reference to a song i like
i'll give you the benefit of the doubt then - elimination during the day is done by majority vote. But, and here's the kicker, with 4 to elim and 2 scum remaining, it could take as few as 2 townies to mis-step to result in a town elimination. claiming a power role when you're actually vanilla is rarely a good idea in newbies tbh, but here it paid off.
In post 726, Battle Mage wrote:I'd be surprised if both HUB and TRQ are town. It feels like 1 SE-1 newbie scum. But I have more confidence in flipping the newbie.
so your read on me is what exactly? null but mafia if happy unbirthday boon is town,
just because?
yeah, null but scum if HUB is town is about right. i'm not sure why you say "just because" - are you trying to undermine me, instead of understanding my reasoning? would you describe your playstyle as confrontational normally? how does your approach differ between alignments?
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Post #746 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:27 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 742, team rocket queen wrote:to insist that ydrasse saying something she has said before as vanilla town is claiming a power role...
when someone else in the game actually claimed a power role seems
kinda ... (dot dot dot)
what's your point? the other player who claimed a power role, also didn't have a power role. and that player got elimmed for it. Doesn't that illustrate my argument perfectly?
In post 746, Battle Mage wrote:what's your point? the other player who claimed a power role, also didn't have a power role. and that player got elimmed for it. Doesn't that illustrate my argument perfectly?
happy unbirthday boon's mason claim just doesn't exist to you? or count towards this?
perhaps helpful if you explain your argument, and then i can respond in a way which satisfies us both.
top townreads: FBJim (too townie for school), Ydrasse (assuming crumb substantiated)
moderate townread: Vasex (just seems townie)
null: floo, team rocket queen
top scumreads: HUB (open-wolfing hard?), KittyTacky (that apologetic E-1 vote was pretty gross)
Probably for the best Ydrasse died, as a VT claim after that crumb would've been instant-death. But Ydrasse did a great job of drawing the NK so kudos.
I want to elim KittyTacky today, and give HUB benefit of the doubt for now I think.
What's open-wolfing?
relentlessly and conspicuously trying to elim town - as happened on Day 1. I struggled to believe that HUB really thought that was a scum-elim, but nonetheless HUB continued to railroad it over the line.
like there's a lot of content for it to be a flat null but mafia if happy unbirthday town for ??? reasons
i think you're working under the misconception that it's null because i have no opinion. in fact, i do have plenty of opinions but the pro's broadly balanced against the con's. I don't think you're covering yourself in glory so far today, although i value the engagement.
and yes, i do think 1 SE is scum here. There were 3 SE's on the mis-elim yesterday, i don't believe they were all town, and 1 already flipped town. and it just doesn't have the vibe of a game with 2 newbie-scum.
In post 749, Battle Mage wrote:TRQ - your attempt to shade me here for nothing is both transparent and weak - I'm moving you up to scumlean.
i am trying to ask you to explain why i am null to you
and you are avoiding doing so
i wasnt avoiding it, i just couldnt keep up with your prolific posting - it's quite evident i was responding to a range of posts in quick succession - suggesting otherwise is completely disingenuous.
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Post #761 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:39 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 756, Vasex wrote:I don't like how BM sees players now, but with this strange killing my opinion is also can be wrong. Ok, now time for a bed. zzz
And such killing looks like searching for the role. Townies cannot understand Ydra townie or not because of her silent behaviour, but mafia can see there that she is kinda hidding for some reason.
why don't you like how i see players? tell me more!
In post 746, Battle Mage wrote:what's your point? the other player who claimed a power role, also didn't have a power role. and that player got elimmed for it. Doesn't that illustrate my argument perfectly?
happy unbirthday boon's mason claim just doesn't exist to you? or count towards this?
perhaps helpful if you explain your argument, and then i can respond in a way which satisfies us both.
i'd like an answer to this. i'm Limited Access for next 2.5 days, but may be around tomorrow night for a bit - so if I miss questions, don't panic, I'll get to them.
In post 766, team rocket queen wrote:i do not understand the question. happy unbirthday boon openly said masons with vasex and then accepted masons with flow trap as a fallback,
and happy unbirthday boon is alive so i did not understand what you meant by if you 'claim' you must be eliminated or what have you
interesting. So I didn't think HUB actually claimed mason - I thought it was a joke/reference to the differences in terminology which were discussed earlier in the game.
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Post #798 (isolation #24) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:51 am
Postby Battle Mage »
eurgh. couple quick thoughts from a skimread:
I'm feeling more comfortable elimming KittyTacky today. Agree with Vasex on that one.
I'm not remotely convinced Floo is scum, and no intention of elimming Floo today. Hard disagree with Vasex on that one.
I need FBJim here as my locktown read.
I think I'll commit that, unless something monumental changes, the elim pool for me today is: {KittyTacky, HUB, TRQ} Although really, it's just KittyTacky right?
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Post #799 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:58 am
Postby Battle Mage »
i like Vasex, but I feel increasingly like there's a chance Vasex could just be highly skilled, under the radar scum. But maybe that's just paranoia. Overall probably on a par with Floo now (who is moving up to a townlean because feels just like low hanging fruit here and there isn't enough of a case to warrant the attention) - probably town, and wouldn't elim either of them today, but both worth consideration again if we end up in ExLo.
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Post #804 (isolation #26) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:23 am
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 801, Vasex wrote:Why floo became so townie? Because of the voice of Kitty and his suspicion to floo all the time? This is not a strong argument.
yeah my gut is floo is town. i don't currently care what you think about my argument. At the moment my point is simple - I think Floo is town, and so I'm not voting Floo. You disagree, and that's fine too. My suggestion remains that we don't discount the possibility of Floo being scum, but elim someone more likely today.
I think:
Elim KittyTacky
If scum, we have 2 dayphases to get the last scum. also people will get NKed and narrow the pool. and we'll have more info on associations to inform our reads on the 2nd scum.
If town, like it was probably inevitable anyway, and we'll duke it out tomorrow on the contentious reads, still with more info than today.
it also feels very like, concrete? not mobile? like it is now stated the same as at daystart and that does not feel like battlemage is considering what is happening?
I literally posted an explanation of the changes to my reads and rationale for them - are you really serious here? it's fair to say they haven't changed much from day start, given relatively little has happened thus far in Day 2 compared to Day 1. however to suggest they are static is clearly false - and this is not the first time today you've shaded me in a way which is evidentially disingenuous and bad-faith.
In post 757, Battle Mage wrote:i think you're working under the misconception that it's null because i have no opinion. in fact, i do have plenty of opinions but the pro's broadly balanced against the con's. I don't think you're covering yourself in glory so far today, although i value the engagement.
i wasn't working under any conception because there was no explanation previously beyond, 'null'
what are some of those pros and cons
still waiting on this
keep waiting. this is fairly low on my priority list, and will wait until I'm not V/LA.
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Post #830 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:11 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 815, team rocket queen wrote:battlemage's best posts to me were probably the one about openwolfing and the followup,
I get the sense from your responses to me that your objection to my reads are largely driven by the fact I think you might scum - you took specific objection to the fact I think either you or HUB are scum.
In post 826, Battle Mage wrote:I literally posted an explanation of the changes to my reads and rationale for them - are you really serious here? it's fair to say they haven't changed much from day start, given relatively little has happened thus far in Day 2 compared to Day 1. however to suggest they are static is clearly false - and this is not the first time today you've shaded me in a way which is evidentially disingenuous and bad-faith.
you had floo as null and now you have floo as town because 'gut' based on one post today
but okay continue saying i am shading you when you simply say i am 'null' based on 'pros and cons' but definitely mafia if happy unbirthday boon is town, simply because the game feels like that to you
It's interesting how much shade I'm getting today for not having detailed explanations for my reads, when I haven't yet seen a strong case for Floo-scum?
I am unapologetically a player who uses logic, evidence, wagonomics and gut feeling to make my reads. If you have a personal issue with the way I play, that's completely on you - it's not alignment indicative for me.
In post 830, Battle Mage wrote:I get the sense from your responses to me that your objection to my reads are largely driven by the fact I think you might scum - you took specific objection to the fact I think either you or HUB are scum.
i do not understand this view of the game, and i try to ask more about it many times, but very little has helped my understanding, so
do you think it's unreasonable for me to deduce you are overly pre-occupied with perceptions of yourself, at the expense of finding mafia? that's my feeling, the more you brow-beat me about my take on you, rather than setting out your own views and justification. Particularly when you are so critical of mine.
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Post #836 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:18 pm
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 829, team rocket queen wrote:like it just feels like you are shading me and saying that i am shading you
i feel exactly the same way about you. the difference, i suppose, is that your shade on me has been based on weak and false premises as pointed out when they came up. It feels like OMGUS, but that in itself isn't necessarily telling about your alignment.
In post 832, Battle Mage wrote:It's interesting how much shade I'm getting today for not having detailed explanations for my reads, when I haven't yet seen a strong case for Floo-scum?
I am unapologetically a player who uses logic, evidence, wagonomics and gut feeling to make my reads. If you have a personal issue with the way I play, that's completely on you - it's not alignment indicative for me.
vasex's post count case is strong
i do not, i would simply like you to explain that logic evidence et cetera to me, so i can understand it, and see if it comes from a town perspective,
sorry, the case on floo is that floo didn't post much?
i admit I was intrigued when I saw Vasex argue HUB and you must be town because you posted a lot...but wasn't Vasex also on the wagon to elim the highest poster in the whole game yesterday?
As you are a logic player, and calling me out for being a gut player, I'd like to see you set out your own logic in a way I can clearly and fairly assess. No rush though!
In post 833, Battle Mage wrote:do you think it's unreasonable for me to deduce you are overly pre-occupied with perceptions of yourself, at the expense of finding mafia? that's my feeling, the more you brow-beat me about my take on you, rather than setting out your own views and justification. Particularly when you are so critical of mine.
yes it is unreasonable because i can be doing both at the same time, like you having a strong opinion that stays overtime that is restated but not explaining the reasoning,
you're continuing to imply my opinions have not changed here - I've already illustrated that they have. However, to be clear, it seems a ludicrous attack to have made anyway, given we're 24 hours into my first actual gameday, and I'm on limited access.
In post 838, Battle Mage wrote:As you are a logic player, and calling me out for being a gut player, I'd like to see you set out your own logic in a way I can clearly and fairly assess.
i do not understand why you view me this way
or what you are asking me to do
that's fine - let me be clear.
1. You explain your entire case for Floo scum.
2. Then I want to see Vasex's case for Floo scum.
3. Then I will use my logic to assess them.
I want you to do this first, given when I first asked you just deferred to Vasex.
In post 835, team rocket queen wrote:like you having a strong opinion that stays overtime that is restated but not explaining the reasoning,
and i know that this opinion is wrong so i try to see if it is a considered opinion but it seems to just be one that you have and are going to keep without giving reason
so that feels like mafia agenda to me
which opinion do you "know" is wrong? 1 of you or HUB being scum? Please tell me how you "know" that to be the case - I ask this without fear of fishing for role-based info you are not willing to share, given your earlier expression of support for a massclaim (which incidentally, I don't think is the best course of action today with no PRs outted).
I want you to do this first, given when I first asked you just deferred to Vasex.
i am not actively trying to eliminate floo; i simply think they are one of the three most likely mafia, based largely on lack of content
low content slots, especially those who are not actively engaging with what is happening at the time when they post as opposed to what has come before, are far more likely to be mafia
Let me put it to you that:
A. I am completely sympathetic to the idea of elimming a lurker, and have found there is good correlation between lack of activity and scum alignment amongst newbies in newbie games.
B. Notwithstanding point A, yesterday's elim was pretty gross and Floo wasn't on the wagon. My strong preference is to elim somebody who was, as there's a good chance both scum were, and I'd say it's virtually certain that 1 scum was.
In post 843, Battle Mage wrote:which opinion do you "know" is wrong? 1 of you or HUB being scum? Please tell me how you "know" that to be the case - I ask this without fear of fishing for role-based info you are not willing to share, given your earlier expression of support for a massclaim (which incidentally, I don't think is the best course of action today with no PRs outted).
that i am mafia if happy unbirthday boon is town, as i am town regardless of their alignment, and it does not make sense to me that my alignment is tied to theirs in your opinion
let me put it bluntly. Yesterday 3 SE's ran up a newbie who was fairly obviously town. I don't believe all 3 SE's screwed up. Additionally, from my experience, I trust my instincts, and my instincts are that there is at least one experienced player pulling the strings for scumteam here.
Don't take it personally. A combination of wagon-analysis and intuition.
In post 845, Battle Mage wrote:B. Notwithstanding point A, yesterday's elim was pretty gross and Floo wasn't on the wagon. My strong preference is to elim somebody who was, as there's a good chance both scum were, and I'd say it's virtually certain that 1 scum was.
i mean, sure, i can get behind kittytacky for this reason, in addition to my earlier reasoning, but i don't see how that makes floo town or not one of the three most likely mafia either
and i already said your points about openwolfing might be good, so it's just that again but at the same time, eliminate from the wagon! is good position for scum!you to take as well, so it is hard to evaluate
aside from kitty, your other 2 suspects were floo and me? You're going to struggle to persuade me that I'm scum. Lack of posting from Floo isn't enough of a case for me today given how yesterday went. In a different game, different situation, maybe it would be. But not here.
I'm slightly torn on HUB. Watching the absolute railroading of a newb-town yesterday was gross. And HUB is a very good player, so it would surprise me from HUB-town. Also not keen on the quietness so far today. But it's also super conspicuous, and maybe too obvious. But then, counter-point, clearly it wasn't that obvious if I'm the only one calling it out. However, as noted, I'm willing to give HUB another day to demonstrate being town.
Tbh scum-me doesn't ever come into the game like this - my slot was pretty clean amongst a mass of utter filth. If I was scum here, I'd just cruise to a win rather than rocking the boat.
In post 846, team rocket queen wrote:but at the same time, eliminate from the wagon! is good position for scum!you to take as well, so it is hard to evaluate
especially if partner is also off wagon,
this is just speculation though - i'm sure you could attach hypothetical motives to anybody's behaviour as town and scum. Yes, if I was scum here with say FBJim, I'd definitely be making the point that scum is on wagon. However:
1. If I'm scum with somebody who was also off-wagon yesterday, scum should win this game 9 times out of 10 without even trying. So why am I trying?
2. The point that scum is likely to be on a dodgy mis-elim is...not a controversial thing. I strongly recommend all towns treat mis-elim wagons with healthy skepticism. That's the right approach regardless of my alignment.
for what it's worth, I wouldn't describe HUB as relaxed - maybe the opposite. HUB was absolutely frantic to get the mis-elim over the line yesterday, and has been very quiet since.
In post 847, Battle Mage wrote:let me put it bluntly. Yesterday 3 SE's ran up a newbie who was fairly obviously town. I don't believe all 3 SE's screwed up. Additionally, from my experience, I trust my instincts, and my instincts are that there is at least one experienced player pulling the strings for scumteam here.
game state was a factor, but yeah, probably my bad, but if going to go with 'mafia if wrong!' is ... based on my history of quite frequently being wrong; ydrasse was town, so also wrong, leaving happy unbirthday boon, which i've considered this possibility but it doesn't seem consistent with my other observations
In some ways you were less culpable right - since you didn't really go for it wholeheartedly. If anyone on that wagon had doubt, it was probably you. Although of course that begs the question - were you town having legitimate concerns, or scum who was hoping to distance from the wagon and that it would complete without you on it, but was eventually compelled to join just to get it over the line.
In post 849, Battle Mage wrote:Tbh scum-me doesn't ever come into the game like this - my slot was pretty clean amongst a mass of utter filth. If I was scum here, I'd just cruise to a win rather than rocking the boat.
i am sure we could all say some version of this
you could meta me of course - and if you're going to indulge in wild speculation such as you have, you probably should. I'm sure anyone could try and say some version of it - however in some cases it wouldn't be as credible. What if I'd replaced into the KittyTacky-slot? or the HUB-slot? it's not the same thing.
In post 850, Battle Mage wrote:this is just speculation though - i'm sure you could attach hypothetical motives to anybody's behaviour as town and scum. Yes, if I was scum here with say FBJim, I'd definitely be making the point that scum is on wagon. However:1. If I'm scum with somebody who was also off-wagon yesterday, scum should win this game 9 times out of 10 without even trying. So why am I trying?2. The point that scum is likely to be on a dodgy mis-elim is...not a controversial thing. I strongly recommend all towns treat mis-elim wagons with healthy skepticism. That's the right approach regardless of my alignment.
right, so it is good to consider what seems most likely option.
1. does scum!floo/you really seem like win without trying to you? because it does not to me
2. and do you not think we are doing that with our considerations of happy unbirthday boon and kittytacky?
1. haha I'm offended. Yes, me and Floo should win this game as scum 9 times out of 10. Not a big compliment to us, more a reflection on how badly town played Day 1 if me and Floo were scum. Don't panic though - I'm town!
2. I think it applies to everybody. Hold people to account for mis-eliminations. I don't think it stops at HUB and KittyTacky - how could I be sure it isn't you? or Vasex was the other one?
In post 854, Battle Mage wrote:In some ways you were less culpable right - since you didn't really go for it wholeheartedly. If anyone on that wagon had doubt, it was probably you. Although of course that begs the question - were you town having legitimate concerns, or scum who was hoping to distance from the wagon and that it would complete without you on it, but was eventually compelled to join just to get it over the line.
i was town considering whether it was better to hammer wagon i didn't fully believe in but mostly understood the reason for or to move to kittytacky with fbjim
i'll probably go back and re-read the closing stages when I have more time.
In post 854, Battle Mage wrote:I'm sure anyone could try and say some version of it - however in some cases it wouldn't be as credible. What if I'd replaced into the KittyTacky-slot? or the HUB-slot? it's not the same thing.
i meant a version applied to their slot. like why would i do X as mafia here? is very very common from all alignments
yes but the fact scum can say it doesn't mean you dismiss it out of hand. you should evaluate it on it's merits - that goes for everything. anyone can say it, but some will say it and have a strong case, others won't.
In post 855, Battle Mage wrote:2. I think it applies to everybody. Hold people to account for mis-eliminations. I don't think it stops at HUB and KittyTacky - how could I be sure it isn't you? or Vasex was the other one?
you could evaluate my slot outside of this? it just feels like you aren't willing to evaluate me and just say i'm potentially mafia based on something i think should hold less weight than other factors,
tbh, i'm trying to focus attention on elimming my top suspect (which is not you). I am continually re-evaluating you as we talk, rest assured on that.
In post 852, Battle Mage wrote:for what it's worth, I wouldn't describe HUB as relaxed - maybe the opposite. HUB was absolutely frantic to get the mis-elim over the line yesterday, and has been very quiet since.
I reread HUB, it was relaxed AF especially in the beginning, when it came with voting Kitty, talking about anything, giving sides to players, making jokes about avatars, Russiablock etc.
Yeah HUB is an experienced and capable player. I don't think that player will ever going to be rattled or nervous in the very early stages of a newbie game. So what relevance does that really have? I think the bigger hurdle to overcome is whether HUB scum really goes all out to mis-elim a townie on Day 1. It's a brazen play. But in the scenario HUB is scum and did make that play, I absolutely wouldn't see his early, relatively more laissez-faire, approach to diminish that argument. I understand the read in isolation, but think it's basically a moot point in solving HUB's alignment.
In post 876, Vasex wrote:
The only question I have to it is about Kitty, because I neither at the start, nor in the end of the day cannot understand how he can be sure, that Kitty is townie. Especially in the beginning so fast making opinion about the unknown player.
tell me more!
In post 876, Vasex wrote:
"has been very quiet since" we just need to wait it to talk, this says nothing about it, you cannot judge it on this argument.
I don't disagree we should let players talk - but aren't you the one who was saying we should elim people for being quiet? i also think, in the lurking scale, being low activity throughout a game is less scummy than only avoiding the thread once you get heat.
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Post #881 (isolation #48) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:39 am
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 877, Vasex wrote:Is it very common here to destroy your mafia scum partner to look more townie after his death?
What is more fake here? Or maybe there are no fakes?
FBJim scumreads KT
KT scumreads Floo (and FT)
Floo scumreads KT (and Ydra)
BM scumreads KT and HUB
entirely depends on the situation, but I'd say it's much more common than it should be (i.e. scum are generally far too eager to eliminate their team-mates).
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Post #884 (isolation #49) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:47 am
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 874, Vasex wrote:If Kitty is townie, than mafia Floo and BM/Jim.
i know you don't want to veer from your reads, but I really don't like this. If you're town, and Kitty is town, and you survive until tomorrow, you need to be looking at EVERYBODY. - otherwise we're essentially in ExLo today because if you're wrong, scum will just keep you around to help secure the win. Being open-minded is absolutely imperative.
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Post #886 (isolation #50) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:50 am
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 863, KittyTacky wrote:Where I come from, fucking around like FT was and then waiting a long time to give a claim is... Practically an instant hang. Okay I admit the E-1 post was badly-written but how am I scummy for pushing on a borderline-trolling player who turned out to be a townie? Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
why would FT not have stalled on the claim? I mean yes, it was an ill-advised approach, but the idea of mafia isn't normally that you elim people for making dumb plays if they are highly likely to be town. A policy elim on a newbie who messed up and then gave 200% to try and redeem it? No thanks!
Also, it goes without saying, but this hard-line approach contrasts STARKLY with your E-1 vote which rather implied you weren't convinced about joining the wagon at all. Your defence concerns me (for transparency, a better defence would be something like "I had genuine reservations because...", rather than "I actually had no hesitation but I inexplicably wrote a post where I pretended to do so").
I don't understand what do you want to hear from me more on this topic
In post 880, Battle Mage wrote:I don't disagree we should let players talk - but aren't you the one who was saying we should elim people for being quiet?
Strange joke, because you are trying to make HUB's and Floo's activity equal to each other, which is absurd.
On the contrary, your position is absurd to me. You are suggesting that Floo is scum because they are a newbie who don't post much, irrespective of the gamestate, but HUB is town despite lurking only when the pressure is on them. The latter is surely scummier than the former, but you ignore the latter and overplay the former.
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Post #888 (isolation #52) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:53 am
Postby Battle Mage »
i'm not putting huge stock in HUB's activity level, but considering you seem to think activity is the be-all and end-all, your defence of HUB in spite of the lack of activity is baffling.
In post 880, Battle Mage wrote:Yeah HUB is an experienced and capable player. I don't think that player will ever going to be rattled or nervous in the very early stages of a newbie game. So what relevance does that really have? I think the bigger hurdle to overcome is whether HUB scum really goes all out to mis-elim a townie on Day 1. It's a brazen play. But in the scenario HUB is scum and did make that play, I absolutely wouldn't see his early, relatively more laissez-faire, approach to diminish that argument. I understand the read in isolation, but think it's basically a moot point in solving HUB's alignment.
When I talk about relaxing I mean not any nervous reaction on some events, I mean that mafia usually have some difficulties to talk on any ever topic. He was ready to talk the whole game and this is the style of townie.
I don't think that's true - scum generally find it easy to talk about a load of utter crap, especially in the early part of the game where it's less likely they will be held to account (because towns normally take longer to find their way on Day 1)
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Post #894 (isolation #56) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:00 am
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 859, KittyTacky wrote:Floo is scummy to me because they are lurking hard. See Vasex's post count. Only 16 posts in the whole game. That's sus AF if I have to say.
Sorry but, as noted, that case is weak AF. And it gets weaker the more people say it, because I can understand 1 person being really obsessive over activity levels, but here we have: Vasex, TRQ and KittyTacky all saying that on Day 1, we have to elim someone solely on the basis they have the lowest post total. There is tons of the info in the game, and you even claim we'll get more info when you die - but then you actually don't seem to care about any of this info because your only scumread is the guy with the lowest post number, and even that is only something you took from Vasex.
Like, lurker-scum is a thing, but Floo has mis-elim written all over.
lack of activity only during this weekend (it warned about it) and during your v/la...
HUB just got prodded, so presumably wasn't V/LA? Or it's a Mod error.
In post 893, Vasex wrote:
And I can easily ignore it both with activity of Floo today for some time...
I talked about their activity in the first day.
And this is not main point for me but if imagine situation that I have no idea about who of them is more townie and more scummie I can use at least the argument about their activity which is usually works, according to my experience and hundreds of games. This is even doesn't require to know the language. Rissky but working in most of the situation Especially if we are talking only about a side of HUB
yes I do appreciate it's not easy with the language barrier, but I believe we can do better than a random punt based on post tally. Like, if there's an actual case for Floo being scum based on those posts, I'm listening. But at the moment, I see a near majority of players quite content to see Floo die for no good reason, which makes me think Floo is very likely to be town.
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Post #898 (isolation #58) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:07 am
Postby Battle Mage »
In post 882, floo wrote:I'd be concerned more than satisfied with Kitty's sacrificial comment, in that a town!Kitty should recognize the difficulty of winning 5p ELO. Multiple players have already concluded that Kitty is a forced policy elim.
I agree KittyTacky's willingness to be elimmed today without much fight isn't pro-town. Although it's not a policy elim at all - we're just elimming the scummiest player.
In post 894, Battle Mage wrote:Vasex, TRQ and KittyTacky all saying that on Day 1, we have to elim someone solely on the basis they have the lowest post total.
Wait a minute, this is not true. This is day two. On the first day nobody hanged anybody for the amount of posts
ah that's just a typo. should be Day 2 - but point still stands.