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Shifting off of Val because they will be away for the time being, and also because GeneralWu seems more concerned with semi- relevant at best posts.
Give some thoughts about the game in your posts. Or at least a vote. -_('-')_-
I understand its D1, and you are asking questions, but going forward, it will be better to ask or answer those questions with some actual info, provided something of note has happened.
As for T3, I would avoid shifting votes without an actual reason, it is the only legitimately scummy thing you have done so far imo.
But it's still that stage of the game where most people haven't made more than like one or two posts.
And besides most other people are making a bunch of semi-relevant posts, too.
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Post #34 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:37 am
Postby GeneralWu »
I didn't know EM shut down until much later. One day, I wanted to see what was happening on that website, so I typed it into the search engine. I couldn't access the website; later I found out that it got shut down permanently.
In post 35, GeneralWu wrote:Also remember that other website you swotched to?
AoPS.
This feels like fake conversation stimulation because you already know the answer. I might be reading too much into this though.
I did already know the answer, but I thought you might've wanted to keep it a secret since you didn't mention the name of that website in your earlier post.
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Post #43 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:04 am
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 42, catboi wrote:While this is technically true, it feels as though your content is aimed at discussing anything other than the game itself, and for page 2, that's fine enough for my vote.
I like going off topic during RVS.
It's sort of like the breakout rooms in Zoom school. Whenever you're in a breakout room with your friends, you never discuss the topic you're supposed to discuss.
In post 42, catboi wrote:While this is technically true, it feels as though your content is aimed at discussing anything other than the game itself, and for page 2, that's fine enough for my vote.
I like going off topic during RVS.
It's sort of like the breakout rooms in Zoom school. Whenever you're in a breakout room with your friends, you never discuss the topic you're supposed to discuss.
I'm too old to understand this reference. *mumbles something about getting off my lawn*
In post 47, GeneralWu wrote:Right now my only input is that catboi seems to be trying pretty hard, so he's a bit towny.
So is meg.
how much effort is considered trying?
I think they're trying hard because they're doing their best to make reads even though there aren't many posts. When there aren't many posts, making reads like that is considered trying in my opinion.
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Post #54 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:05 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
Mafia is the hardest game I've ever played next to StarCraft, but it's not insanely hard. There are plenty of people who actually win amazingly in their first games.
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Post #67 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:00 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 64, T3 wrote:VOTE: GeneralWu
His posts seem very fake helpful. He townreads me, nav, and Roden for putting in effot but won't elaborate further on that. His reads sem lazy because they look more based on postcount than actual content.
I just think you guys are trying your best to find scum early in the game even when there isn't much going on, and that's towny.
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Post #71 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:37 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 68, Roden wrote:I literally just won a scum game doing exactly that lol. I fully expect to get policy elim'd if scum gets voted out Day 1 again.
I just think it's very difficult to recover once one scum member gets eliminated day 1. Probably the only way for scum to recover in that case is to kill a town power role on night 1.
I also think it's a bad idea to policy zgrynibys you solely for the reason you mentioned.
In post 59, GeneralWu wrote:This has nothing to do with the game; but for the people with anime avatars, what are the names of the characters in your avatars? I'm really curious.
For mine, their name is Raqio. They're from a game called Gnosia, which is basically half visual novel and half single player Mafia in space. Mafia vs AI sounds like it wouldn't work, but all characters have legitimate tells while still being programmed to try to trick you. It's honestly really fun and intriguing, and I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys Mafia style games.
Whoa dang that's really cool. AI mafia sounds fun.
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Post #73 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:48 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 69, navigatorv wrote:T3 still gives me weird vibes, but I think that might be because he reminds me of a player in my other game who turned out to be scum. Actually analyzing what he's said so far though seems to lean slightly townish. Things like asking what color a person's role was (there should only be two going by the sample PMs and scum would already know what everyone's is if that's the case) and pointing out problems with Wu's posts. None of that's definitive, but it has made me a bit less wary if nothing else.
Honestly, I also think T3 is a bit weird. It's a bit suspicious how he just voted me for townreading people and not elaborating further, even though when I made those reads there weren't many posts and thus not much to explain. I also think it's a bit weird how he said navigator is locktown, because I wouldn't locktown anybody so early in the game.
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Post #74 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:59 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 69, navigatorv wrote:Wu is probably the scummiest of the people that have posted so far, but I don't know if that's just me being easily influenced. One thing I will say is the assumption that scum won't bus day 1 is false, that's actually a somewhat effective strategy in certain games, especially on this forum (at least that's what I was told by one of the SE players in my last game). All it takes for a mafia victory is one tricky and charismatic scum player, so having a partner isn't technically necessary, especially since that'd make it easier for you to have more influence on who dies since you'd have complete control over NK
I'm not saying that there's no bussing at all during day 1. I'm just saying that it's pretty difficult for scum to recover if one scum member gets zgrynibysed day 1; therefore it's unlikely for scum to bus so hard that one scum member gets zgrynibysed early on.
Having a partner makes it easier to win the game because if you're mafia and your partner dies, then you have to kill more townies to win. While it is easy to make yourself look towny through extreme bussing on day 1, it's a huge risk because it doesn't always work. Furthermore, you'd automatically lose the game if, for instance, a town cop investigates you on night 1. If you had a partner, it wouldn't be an automatic loss.
Also, in every mafia game I've ever played, I don't think there were any huge disagreements over the NK.
Having a partner isn't necessary for winning, but you can be at a huge disadvantage if you lose your partner early in the game.
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Post #80 (isolation #22) » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:07 am
Postby GeneralWu »
Why is it not weird to locktown people this early in the game? If you locktown people this early, you might not consider the possibility of your being mistaken.
Also how is Roden towny for suggesting he be policy zgrynibysed?
In post 80, GeneralWu wrote:Also how is Roden towny for suggesting he be policy zgrynibysed?
Take it from someone that did something similar in my first game, asking to be eliminated reads as incredibly towny on this forum since most scum have too much self preservation to risk anyone actually following through. Basically if someone says they wouldn't have a problem being eliminated there's room for doubt, but if someone actively encourages their elimination if things play out a certain way, the chances of them being town are higher.
Obviously that doesn't work with games that have unusual roles or modifiers like vengeful and there's a chance that scum might just be willing to take the risk, but those are circumstances that aren't likely to happen in a newbie game so to most people it reads as a town action
If you're a townie, you know 100% that you're town, so if you get zgrynibysed you know that town will 100% lose one member.
I'd say that asking to be zgrynibysed is NAI because both town and scum have strong motivations for not wanting to be zgrynibysed.
In post 109, shwinnebego wrote:I’ll post more complete reads eventually. I didn’t realize that each game day was a week tbh
Home forum is breadnroses, game days are usually a day
Range of high chaos to vanilla but we skew high chaos
You're used to 24 hour games but then you disappeared for over 36 hours? Doesn't really add up to me.
VOTE: Shwinnebego
He might just be busy or something.
Or he might think that since day 1 is so long, there's no need to post as much right now.
I think his activity is NAI.
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Post #123 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:15 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 121, Roden wrote:I don't normally switch my vote up this much. But if you don't want to pressure scummy activity, then pressuring you instead seems like the only way to get this game going.
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Post #124 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:19 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 122, GeneralWu wrote:I don't think shwinniebego's inactivity is scummy. Usually, people who don't post that much might just be busy
I think shwinniebego probably just doesn't know exactly what's going on, and I wouldn't attack him this soon.
Besides, where did shwinniebego lie?
I wanna add that if he keeps doing what he's been doing, then that's suspicious. Since this is his first game on this forum, I think he's just getting used to everything; but if he continues to not provide any evidence for any of his claims, then that raises some red flags.
But basically, when I get scum read as town I tend to think the person accusing me is likely scum, especially if I think they have a really bad reason for doing so.
Let’s see how well your self improvement regiment is working. You are scum! I think it’s evil to share your own internal process about how you react to being sussed. Real townies have no feelings, we sublimate ourselves to the collective good. VOTE: Roden
I don't think it's scummy to share your own internal process about how you react to being sussed. I think it's towny because you can scumhunt by looking at the people who are attacking you and then figuring out who's attacking you in a suspiciou smanner.
In post 193, shwinnebego wrote:I’ll hammer General Wu right now out of boredom if someone asks me to
I’d vote ya but I need to keep presh on Roden. They have it comin!
Your reason for voting Roden seems pretty bad.
In post 227, shwinnebego wrote:(In my experience, my playstyle is not any less effective at hunting wolves than anyone else's - at least not on D1. I think town will thank me for drawing attention from wolves in various ways.)
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Post #238 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:10 am
Postby GeneralWu »
shwinniebego is just jumping around, and I think he's trying to find all sorts of ways to accuse people for little or no reason.
His reasons are also not really making sense.
I think there's a chance he's scum.
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Post #239 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:17 am
Postby GeneralWu »
I don't think shwinniebego/roden is w/w. If they're both scum, I don't think they're very coordinated.
A few of Roden's posts seem off (like 115, which sounds suspicious), but shwinniebego is probably the scummiest as of right now, though.
catboi is acting very towny right now because he could've just kept his vote on me and let shwinniebego hammer me for no reason, but he chose not to.
Also, save the dragons has posted mostly only one-liners as of right now. It doesn't seem like he's joining the discussion, and that's a bit suspicious.
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Post #245 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:34 am
Postby GeneralWu »
Also quick note I think Meg is towny. Though he has few posts compared to some of the other people in this game, those posts show some really decent effort to scumhunt.
Anyone who thinks I should move it should ping me and make a compelling case
These are some of shwinnie's early posts. He votes T3 on the first page, even though T3 just got voted earlier. This might be a genuine townie move, but I can also see it coming from newbscum who, during RVS, vote people who have already been voted just to find a way to push to eliminate someone.
Also, shwinnie says that "anyone who thinks [he] should move it [the vote on T3] should ping [him] and make a compelling case". However, he himself barely makes a compelling case to explain why he voted T3 in the first place. This sounds suspicious to me.
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Post #257 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:09 am
Postby GeneralWu »
I feel that T3 is town because he's trying to solve the game. However, something about him seems a bit off.
I haven't looked at Val too much yet since he just got back like yesterday.
catboi is town because he could've just left his vote on me and let shwinnie zgrynibys me for no reason, but he didn't do that.
navigator seems genuinely trying to help, though I don't agree with everything he says about mechanics.
Meg is also towny. Though he makes fewer posts, those posts actually contain content that moves the game along. He also tried to stimulate discussion even very early in the game, indicating that he was trying his best to scumhunt and move the game out of RVS.
Roden seems weird since he was quick to jump on shwinnie. It's a bit scummy, but I don't think Roden/shwinnie is w/w.
save the dragons is inactive and most of his posts are one-liners. Some of his posts also don't do anything to move the game along.
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Post #259 (isolation #40) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:17 am
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 256, T3 wrote:I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.
Why would you claim survivor doctor as mason?
Also, fakeclaiming is usually scummy activity; it doesn't really help to fakeclaim as a townie unless you're trying to do a reaction test or something.
Or maybe during RVS when somebody goes like "hey everybody, I'm a mafia rolecop come kill me!!!!!!!!!!" as a joke.
By the way, "rolecop" is a very fun word to say. So is the word "sunspots".
In post 256, T3 wrote:I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.
Why would you claim survivor doctor as mason?
Also, fakeclaiming is usually scummy activity; it doesn't really help to fakeclaim as a townie unless you're trying to do a reaction test or something.
Or maybe during RVS when somebody goes like "hey everybody, I'm a mafia rolecop come kill me!!!!!!!!!!" as a joke.
By the way, "rolecop" is a very fun word to say. So is the word "sunspots".
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Post #263 (isolation #42) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:43 am
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 64, T3 wrote:VOTE: GeneralWu
His posts seem very fake helpful. He townreads me, nav, and Roden for putting in effot but won't elaborate further on that. His reads sem lazy because they look more based on postcount than actual content.
In post 69, navigatorv wrote:T3 still gives me weird vibes, but I think that might be because he reminds me of a player in my other game who turned out to be scum. Actually analyzing what he's said so far though seems to lean slightly townish. Things like asking what color a person's role was (there should only be two going by the sample PMs and scum would already know what everyone's is if that's the case) and pointing out problems with Wu's posts. None of that's definitive, but it has made me a bit less wary if nothing else.
Honestly, I also think T3 is a bit weird. It's a bit suspicious how he just voted me for townreading people and not elaborating further, even though when I made those reads there weren't many posts and thus not much to explain. I also think it's a bit weird how he said navigator is locktown, because I wouldn't locktown anybody so early in the game.
It's not really weird to locktown people this early in the game. I also think Roden is towny for conceding on the nav read and sugesting he be policy limmed if there's a scumflip.
In post 81, T3 wrote:I'm confident that nav is town.
Why though?
His early viberead, him saying he can be easily influenced meanwhile agreeing with me. Complex thought processes and emotional reactions are something newbscum can't fake.
@catboi these posts make T3 seem towny. He's trying to scumhunt, though I don't necessarily agree with his reasons for his reads.
In post 263, GeneralWu wrote:@catboi these posts make T3 seem towny. He's trying to scumhunt, though I don't necessarily agree with his reasons for his reads.
Three posts? The most recent of which came on page 5? I mean, the nav read doesn't even make sense, honestly, and the one on Roden is fairly shallow - making an offhand comment joking about being policy eliminated on a day 1 scumflip isn't hard for someone of either alignment to make.
I agree that his reasons are bad, but I still think he's trying to help.
I dislike eliminating shwinniebego here for a few reasons.
1. The first is that I find it likely that if they are a town, they are probably a PR ( or doing some WIFOM thing). I would not want to out them if they are so.
2. I think that their flip doesn't give us much information. Either they are a town that has very much struggled adapting to the meta on this site, or they flip scum, which would be a very attractive bus on a new player. Either way we don't learn much about other players.
3. I honestly don't scumread them that much, they seem too apart from the norm of mafia games like this, so I think their behavior is NAI.
4. I feel that their input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town.
Instead I feel like StD is a better vote, they overall don't provide much to town.
Shwinniebego, you should post your input if you feel like you need to say something, it will both help you get better and may help town.
I would like StD to post their reads and contribute a bit more substance. It doesn't really matter if you can't post often, but at least try to post something that is useful when you do.
And T3 appears to be avoiding confronting the accusation made at him by Val89, although the accusation doesn't hold a whole lot of weight imo.
So how did you feel that shwinnie's input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town? Before you made this post, I don't think shwinnie posted much content or gave many reasons for his reads.
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Post #304 (isolation #51) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:26 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 257, GeneralWu wrote:I feel that T3 is town because he's trying to solve the game. However, something about him seems a bit off.
I haven't looked at Val too much yet since he just got back like yesterday.
catboi is town because he could've just left his vote on me and let shwinnie zgrynibys me for no reason, but he didn't do that.
navigator seems genuinely trying to help, though I don't agree with everything he says about mechanics.
Meg is also towny. Though he makes fewer posts, those posts actually contain content that moves the game along. He also tried to stimulate discussion even very early in the game, indicating that he was trying his best to scumhunt and move the game out of RVS.
Roden seems weird since he was quick to jump on shwinnie. It's a bit scummy, but I don't think Roden/shwinnie is w/w.
save the dragons is inactive and most of his posts are one-liners. Some of his posts also don't do anything to move the game along.
shwinnie and Roden are the most suspicious people as of right now in my opinion.
I dislike eliminating shwinniebego here for a few reasons.
1. The first is that I find it likely that if they are a town, they are probably a PR ( or doing some WIFOM thing). I would not want to out them if they are so.
2. I think that their flip doesn't give us much information. Either they are a town that has very much struggled adapting to the meta on this site, or they flip scum, which would be a very attractive bus on a new player. Either way we don't learn much about other players.
3. I honestly don't scumread them that much, they seem too apart from the norm of mafia games like this, so I think their behavior is NAI.
4. I feel that their input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town.
Instead I feel like StD is a better vote, they overall don't provide much to town.
Shwinniebego, you should post your input if you feel like you need to say something, it will both help you get better and may help town.
I would like StD to post their reads and contribute a bit more substance. It doesn't really matter if you can't post often, but at least try to post something that is useful when you do.
And T3 appears to be avoiding confronting the accusation made at him by Val89, although the accusation doesn't hold a whole lot of weight imo.
So how did you feel that shwinnie's input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town? Before you made this post, I don't think shwinnie posted much content or gave many reasons for his reads.
I also want meg to answer this question, because I'm pretty curious.
In post 109, shwinnebego wrote:I’ll post more complete reads eventually. I didn’t realize that each game day was a week tbh
Home forum is breadnroses, game days are usually a day
Range of high chaos to vanilla but we skew high chaos
You're used to 24 hour games but then you disappeared for over 36 hours? Doesn't really add up to me.
VOTE: Shwinnebego
He might just be busy or something.
Or he might think that since day 1 is so long, there's no need to post as much right now.
I think his activity is NAI.
You're assuming a lot here. If any of that was an issue I think he'd just say that.
Not really sure why you two seem to be against pressuring him and want to shut down potential content. Are you TMI'ing that you know Shwin is town?
VOTE: GeneralWu
I don't normally switch my vote up this much. But if you don't want to pressure scummy activity, then pressuring you instead seems like the only way to get this game going.
Can you tell me why you don't even want to consider pressuring someone who lied and is trying to avoid attention?
I dislike eliminating shwinniebego here for a few reasons.
1. The first is that I find it likely that if they are a town, they are probably a PR ( or doing some WIFOM thing). I would not want to out them if they are so.
2. I think that their flip doesn't give us much information. Either they are a town that has very much struggled adapting to the meta on this site, or they flip scum, which would be a very attractive bus on a new player. Either way we don't learn much about other players.
3. I honestly don't scumread them that much, they seem too apart from the norm of mafia games like this, so I think their behavior is NAI.
4. I feel that their input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town.
Instead I feel like StD is a better vote, they overall don't provide much to town.
Shwinniebego, you should post your input if you feel like you need to say something, it will both help you get better and may help town.
I would like StD to post their reads and contribute a bit more substance. It doesn't really matter if you can't post often, but at least try to post something that is useful when you do.
And T3 appears to be avoiding confronting the accusation made at him by Val89, although the accusation doesn't hold a whole lot of weight imo.
So how did you feel that shwinnie's input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town? Before you made this post, I don't think shwinnie posted much content or gave many reasons for his reads.
I also want meg to answer this question, because I'm pretty curious.
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Post #355 (isolation #59) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:22 pm
Postby GeneralWu »
In post 354, MegAzumarill wrote:My main point with that part was that it seemed like swhinniebego had had a very different experience with mafia and was reading things in a different way than most of us. As such, a differing opinion could generate some good points if we end up being off track. I think that point was correct, because swhinnie responded to that post with what i think are a lot of good points in his next post.
I see.
I just found it very strange how you said shwinnie could contribute in one post, and then shwinnie immediately changed playstyle.