Newbie 2095 | Game over

[Greeting]

Let's go!

VOTE: Alianna

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How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

I started playing forum mafia around 2014, played and hosted a couple of games, but on a non-mafia site. Returned to playing only last year.

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Alright, let's start talking.

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

hutmeil

, what do you make of

Alianna

's claim from post 11?

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I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.

It's really low effort. Anyone can make post 16 to make it seem like they're doing something. I wanted to check if

hutmeil

is capable of more than that, but I guess for now we have to assume that they're not.

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What do you make of my claim in post 11?

I wouldn't want my answer to spoil any potential answer from

hutmeil

, which I'm still counting on getting.

[Greeting]

Alright, let's start talking.

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

hutmeil

, what do you make of

Alianna

's claim from post 11?

I'm neutral on this since we don't have much info.

So, you named two possible roles - Mason or Friendly Neighbor. Check the wiki article on Friendly Neighbor, specifically the role PM. Do you still think this claim is possible? Why/why not?

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Oh, you got there already. Never mind. Of course this can't be Friendly Neighbor, because the role works on Nights only and there is no Night 0 in this game or any Newbie games for that matter.

hutmeil

gets a town pass for the time being.

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I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie. Pretty sure it was just meant to be a joke post since it was during RVS.

Then again, they disappeared afterward. I understand that not much is going on right now, but it's been almost three days since their last post. Let's get some pressure going, maybe?

VOTE: Hutmeil

smells more like something newb-scum would do and could get away with it.
If it is a joke it seems like a role-fishy joke to me.

it's obvious that FG & aliana have a hx together so I didn't find it so incredibly suspicious..

The post itself sucked, but the follow-up was promising. When I was a Newbie, I only had a general idea of how the roles worked and I can see a bit of a townie mindset right there.

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I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.

Why

whiskey delta

?

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I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.

Why

whiskey delta

?

I agreed about hutmeil. That's it pretty much

You mean you agree with

whiskey delta

's evaluation of

hutmeil

and that makes

whiskey delta

town? Why is that alignment indicative at all?

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I also am going out on a limb and stating that I have never seen roden go out guns blazing like he is right now.

That is true to be fair.

The

hutmeil

scumread sounds like it's in bad faith too. I questioned him and this went down a townie route.

Roden

's vote is still parked there.

VOTE: Roden

This is E-2.

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Also, irrelevant, but this is the slowest D1 I have ever endured. It's taken us around 3 days to get near the end of the third page. The other games I've been in reached this point in a matter of hours.

Slight townlean from this post.
I think town is much more frustrated with inactivity than scum. Scum thrives on town apathy.
The frustration feels genuine to me.

I disagree. Newbies very well can fake frustration and be hyperactive, even if they claim it's on purpose (13, 18). I am keeping an eye on that slot.

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UUUUUUUUUUUUUH

where he did write its not in ypour scum meta

i personally havent played scum w/ you so this feels off compared to my other games that had town!you in it.

My thoughts exactly. I do not know all of

Roden

's meta, but this doesn't match his town games that I know of.

What makes the Hutmeil scum read bad faith? Can you explain that?

I called out

hutmeil

on their low effort post (16). The response and the thinking process is towny (90). I am far more inclined to believe that this is genuine progress on their part and, in my opinion, it should warrant an early townread. Your vote on them in 55 was justified. However, you didn't seem to have taken into account their posts in between your vote and post 123, where you attacked them for discussing PRs. How else were they supposed to explain themselves, when being asked about it, if not by discussing the existing PRs claims when that is what caused the discussion to happen in the first place?

This is why this read is in bad faith,

Roden

.

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Also, this is not

Mala

's scum game. I have played with her when she was scum and she blatantly doesn't enjoy playing as scum. She's very likely town here.

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Furtive seems towny to me for keeping it below E-1(it's a pretty towny thing to do to stop the potential to hammer until the town's decided where I first played)

Care to expand on that? What do you think of

Roden

, the second major suspect?

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UNVOTE: Roden

No one eliminate him unless we get a counterclaim.

I will be back tomorrow. We still have some time until deadline.

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I see no counterclaim so

Roden

is basically confirmed Cop. If there is a Doctor, please protect

Roden

tonight and

do not claim

.

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furtiveglance

, what is your read of

Tidus of the X

now? You voted them (142), then quickly unvoted them claiming that it was a mistake (144). And yet they are coloured orange on your readslist (195), which seems to indicate that they're high on your suspicion level. As a matter of fact, according to this list, if we take

Roden

out of the picture,

Tidus

should be the one you're going after next.

It's a massive problem that 72offsuit and Tidus of the X aren't talking more. They've entered my scumpool by process of elimination.

From my perspective, you seem to switch on/off on null/scumreading them. Could you please clarify what is your read of them now?

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While reading the thread, someone said that I'm focusing a lot on newbies. That's true. My general theory is that if a newbie player is town, they have a mindset and an agenda which should be easily spottable and not so easy to fake. That is why I questioned

hutmeil

, that is also why I'm questioning

Tidus of the X

and

furtiveglance

(although I think he has some experience). The fact that we have a lot of new faces is probably the biggest perk of Newbie games in general, it is almost impossible to know everyone and everything is taken at face value.

As for the SEs, I already know

Mala

and I don't need to focus on her for now as she's already got herself a townread. I thought

Roden

was scum, but turns out he went on the offensive as a defensive measure which unfortunately backfired on him, and since he's our PR, it also backfired on us as a team. I don't know what to think of

72offsuit

to be fair. Admittedly, I've decided to deal with them later if both of us are still alive in the game.

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We're running out of time and I've received no answer to 373. I'll have to assume that your reads are capitalising on the fact that

Tidus

' ISO is short and he hasn't contributed much rather than getting to read into his few posts and trying to make out something of them. The most likely answer for that is that

Tidus of the X

is inactive newbie limbait and you wanted to make sure that you can always dig up that read whenever it was convenient for you to do so. And there is not enough time to build a wagon on

Tidus

at this point so the timing for you is bad.

It's easy for scum to go after players like this since you usually cannot count on them effectively defending themselves. That also explains why you're going after

hutmeil

. And in my opinion, someone being less active than most is not a reliable scumtell at all, and is mostly used by opportunistic scumbags to push innocents out.

Now you're desperately trying to get people to jump aboard the

Alianna

wagon, and as much as I am hesitant about

Alianna

, she is not as desperate to get anyone eliminated solely to preserve herself. As a matter of fact, she's quite hesitant to vote at all (428). Which is why I'd rather have her stay and have you go instead.

VOTE: furtiveglance

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VOTE: Greeting

VOTE: Greeting

E-2

Why do you think I'm scum?

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@

whiskey delta

From my perspective it looks like everyone started ganging up on me one second after I went with the

furtive glance

wagon in 441. I gave him a chance to explain himself and he didn't take it, his reads became erratic and chaotic towards the end. Suffice it to say, I went from being his biggest townread to being his biggest scumread. And everyone just went in for the ride, yourself,

Alianna

,

72offsuit

. If your biggest argument is that you have a hunch then sorry to disappoint, but your hunch is wrong.

If you're seeking to blame me for yesterday's miselim, Day 1 was ending, I didn't feel like going after

hutmeil

and the other two wagons were

Alianna

and

furtive glance

. I picked the scummier one and I'm not sorry for that. If I'm scum then why did all of you follow when I was supposedly miseliminating a townie? Sounds like someone who jumped on that wagon after me knew what was coming (aka they were scum) and were hoping to pin the miselimination on me.

As for your theory, I would say that there's a higher chance that it's true than not overall, if we take all mafia games played on this site. In most games I've played the scums have tended to spread their votes amongst wagons. Which would indeed mean that there is one scum in {

whiskey delta

,

Alianna

,

Greeting

,

hutmeil

} and the other would be in {

Malakittens

,

Tidus of the X

and

72offsuit

}.

The maths in my head said it's

Alianna

and

72offsuit

. But I don't really think that

Alianna

and

72offsuit

would be paired.

72offsuit

seemed to be quite confident to bet his money on the

Alianna

wagon, he started it, went through with it and did not hesitate to try and have her chopped down.

If

Malakittens

is scum then that means she has really upped her scum game and she deserves to win, because I kinda have a green town check on her which I don't feel like looking back at.

Who's left from that three?

Tidus of the X

. Eh, could be.

I will need to think deeper tomorrow, because I also have a feeling that if

Alianna

is scum, and I certainly have a feeling that she might be, then her partner was on the

furtive glance

wagon to save her, because losing a fellow scum Day 1 is something the scums usually can't afford. Which would mean that this game is in the minority of games where all scums are to be found in one wagon and {

Malakittens

,

Tidus of the X

and

72offsuit

} are all towncleared. This is also a mental note to myself to remember where to pick up my thoughts from when I open this thread tomorrow.

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It was a high stress time and every vote being laid was pivotal. I think scrutiny is fair, especially given that FG replied to you directly in 442. Depending on how you view Mala's 439 that makes your vote the one that tied the FG and Alianna wagons. I would say it is more than a hunch at the moment, but I am not totally convinced yet either. At least one of you, hutmeil, and Alianna must be Town so that is good to remember.

Wait a minute.

Ngl I don’t wanna elim alianna.

FG

This just stinks
Bc I really want one of 72 hut & Tidus sorted

I won’t be back before deadline most likely in going to sleep

Was this supposed to be a vote on

furtive glance

? I didn't even notice it. This does in fact change things.

I agree that 72/Alianna does not make a likely pair. Considering Mala's vote was not counted, hutmeil and Alianna functioned as the tying and tiebreaking vote that pushed FG to E-1. There is definitely potential for hutmeil/Alianna in that lens.

Any perspective on how you arrived to your TR on Mala would be greatly appreciated.

I have played a few games with

Malakittens

and my overall impression is that she's generally not a deepwolf. In the last game we played together, KTaNE, it became apparent to me that she just doesn't like playing as scum very much and doesn't try very hard if she rolls scum. If you're interested specifically at the moment when we were talking about deepwolves, you should look at the Day Phase in that game when

Mala

was eliminated (Day 3).

But now that you've pointed it out, she did in fact want to go after

furtive glance

and her vote just wasn't counted as valid.

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Thing is, my gut says

Malakittens

is town, but logic would suggest that 439 could have been an attempt to start a wagon on

furtive glance

after all, but it just didn't get counted.

So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

Right now my money is on the scum team being

Alianna

+ someone on the

furtive glance

wagon. I know it's not me for sure and nothing else. I guess if we eliminate

Alianna

then we can put this theory to test. If she flips red, then her partner should be

hutmeil

(more likely) or

Malakittens

(less likely). If she flips green, then it's got to be some combo like

72offsuit

/

Tidus of the X

,

72offsuit

/

hutmeil

or

Tidus of the X

/

hutmeil

.

Or... it's you. What

hutmeil

said in 507 about you is actually right. I don't know if I should trust you either. You're clearly aspiring to be town leader, but your voting history isn't really better than mine and yet you're actively trying to throw me under the bus right now.

I'll wait for everyone to weigh in before I cast my vote. It's still only Day 2, but each vote is more valuable with every townie going down and we are not having another miselimination today.

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This is a prod dodge. Hello,

BlueBloodedToffee

. I will cast my vote later today.

[Greeting]

I am back. To be fair, I cannot move on without this elimination.

Alianna

has a high chance of flipping red. If it's not

Alianna

, then I am thinking that this game definitely has a deepwolf mastermind and there's only one suitable candidate,

whiskey delta

.

Or maybe, it's just

Alianna

and

whiskey delta

, who knows.

VOTE: Alianna

[Greeting]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mala

Into the darkness I go.

I've been thinking about this as well, but I'd rather see the

Alianna

flip first.

[Greeting]

I can’t with you anymore.

See you post game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not going to base an entire scumread off this, but this feels really sketchy, as if they knew Roden was dying because no doc.

Oof I dig that

How would you know there's no Doctor in the game,

Alianna

?

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The way the

Alianna

wagon was building so slowly looks like we hit the jackpot. She is not claiming, so all that is left is for someone to hammer.

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It’s literally a coin flip whether or not there is a doc and Roden was dead man walking as soon as he claimed. It’s a stretch to TMI that

@Alianna - where is your head right now?

514 irks me so badly.

I understand the assumption here was "

Roden

killed N1 = no Doctor". But there is another possibility. If we are at A1 and not C1, the scums have a Roleblocker. It is technically possible for them to have blocked a Doctor if there was one. Or, for instance, the Doctor could have had a brain fart and didn't submit their action. This is a Newbie game and people should be expected to mess up from time to time.

The fact that

Alianna

went after the first possibility almost instantly bothers me.

[Greeting]

1 day 15 hours left.

We just waiting for another flash wagon?

I think we hit the nail on the head with this elimination and that's why the wagon isn't building up. If the team is

Alianna

/

whiskey delta

, then the latter will do everything he can to derail this. He suddenly stopped responding to you too and that kinda sounds like admission of guilt.

[Greeting]

This... is very disappointing. I am really disappointed of myself in this game. We are getting screwed like hell and this is our last chance. I only ask that no one cast votes unless they are absolutely certain, because this is ELo ("eliminate or lose") and it takes just three votes for someone to go down. The plus side is that here {

Malakittens

,

whiskey delta

,

Tidus of the X

and

hutmeil

} we have exactly two scums. I am going to analyse all four that's left and hope that it's not just a 50% chance at this point.

[Greeting]

“I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side”

That’s not how role assignments work (or they shouldn’t). It’s supposed to be random.

I disagree. This is a newbie game. If all 3 SEs are Town, scum would be at a great disadvantage which is not good for the game. If I were the mod, I'd want to keep the game balanced and not lopsided. Are you trying to save Greeting?

As someone who has hosted a game on MafiaScum, I can assure you that all draws are random and must be randomised in accordance with sitewide guidelines. Hosts are held accountable for their games by the moderation team, and Newbie games hosts have higher requirements than hosts for other games, because these games are meant to provide a very standardised experience for new players to learn from.

What I am thinking as of this moment is that either

Malakittens

has been pulling the strings for most of the game and I have allowed myself to be pocket her with reciprocation or that we have two Newbies, like any pairing from {

Tidus of the X

, yourself,

whiskey delta

} who are kicking ass. And to be fair, I do not think one is more likely than the other.

[Greeting]

I will push through with my WD vote. But I want to hear from everyone first.

Think about this. WD is on both Town (mis)lynches from D1 to D2. Same with Greeting.

D1 - furtiveglance (5): Roden,

Greeting

, hutmeil, Alianna,

whiskey delta

D2 - Alianna (4): BlueBloodedToffee,

Greeting, whiskey delta

, Malakittens

WD has been moving from wagon to wagon both days as I've said earlier. He's been on my scum list since D1.

How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

WD asked this early in the game. I believe, scum strategy was to elim the strongest players first.

As for Greeting, she's been in my neutral list for a while. However, she's been posting safely so she fits my "not being so active but active enough to not get called out” theory. She also on both mislynch wagons so she's shifted to my SR. Meta-wise, I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side. The other 2 SEs are dead, so that leaves only her.

My vote history is bad and there's no use of me denying it. My performance in this game has been below my own expectations. Sorry, team.

But, if you take a more detailed look than at just the final vote tallies, you'll find this post:

You don't want to?

Hmmm, how can I hammer someone in my TR-neutral list. My conscience is holding me back lol. You make a good point though that she's not scumhunting hard enough.

But if Mala is purposely delaying, I guess I'll hammer.

How many hours are there left?

You were just as much willing to hammer

Alianna

, just

Malakittens

beat you to it. And if you did hammer instead of

Malakittens

, the list would include not just me and

whiskey delta

, but yourself as well. But you conveniently left that out, didn't you? I guess now you could be explaining that you didn't really mean to hammer

Alianna

, but I'm not sure if anyone is buying it.

[Greeting]

At this point, I'm inclined to think that the solve is

whiskey delta

and

hutmeil

(more likely) or

Tidus of the X

(less likely).

This is most likely my final shot at solving this game. If we get it right, it's highly unlikely that I make it to Day 4, so I'll do my best at laying down everything I've got on this theory. If we don't get it right, at least I will know that I tried.

Spoiler: Long wall of text

From the very start of the game,

whiskey delta

was very active. I can tell that he's experienced in playing mafia and I have reasons to believe that he's the one behind the wheel for the entire game.

Looking through his ISO, I can see that his interactions with both

hutmeil

and

Tidus of the X

were kinda murky.

hutmeil is admittedly my leap of faith read in this situation. I am more convinced by what others have said than anything hutmeil has done in particular, but again if Roden turns up red then I would take them off the table as well.

Tidus hasn't said much which looks ~bad but at the same time I feel like scum would try harder to look productive. 148 isn't much but might be a >Townie reaction.

Both of these really don't give that much information.

Post 255 is

whiskey delta

's first meaningful interaction with

Tidus of the X

. The response in 257 is kinda town-ish though.

Actually, now that you say that, it doesn't make sense to scan greeting when everyone is saying he looks town, it would nonly confirm him even more as town. I remember reading somewhere that it's a better idea to scan null reads because you have absolutely no idea which alignment it could be, so that's something against his claims.

There still is, however, a chance he could be cop, there are currently no counterclaims after all

Sorry, no, I don't have an alternative. Currently not very good at reading alignments other than the obvious stuff

My opinion is that it was a good choice to get a green check on me early in the game, but unfortunately we could not get that due to that horrible Day 1 wagon. But this is something that fits what a newbie townie would say. Newbie townies in general are more likely to go after the "obvious" solutions such as assuming that it's best to get all the scum reads check out. Truth is, even the loudest players in the game involved in scumhunting can keep flying under the radar for the entire game (aka

whiskey delta

).

There is, however, something worrying about the pairing of

whiskey delta

/

Tidus of the X

. There has been an attempt at an interaction in 505, and

Tidus

' responses to that interaction have been kinda underwhelming. I cannot, however, make anything AI of

Tidus

' responses in 508 and 516. I hate to say this, but these responses weren't good at all, but more importantly, they were consistent with his overall performance in the game so far. Which, to me, makes the

WD

/

Tidus

pairing far less likely.

hutmeil

- follow-up.

Please note that for the duration of all of Day 1 and Day 2 there was virtually no interaction between

whiskey delta

and

hutmeil

. To me this looks like both of them were distancing from one another so that we could not find any connection between them. It does make sense and is a pretty valid strategy as scum.

I also have a read on

hutmeil

's part which seems to be proving this theory. In 260, I noted his nullread of me as caused by me asking supposedly too much questions, while he didn't seem to notice the same thing about

whiskey delta

. And here's the read on

whiskey delta

:

whiskey delta

I like how he generates discussion. But something is off and I can't put my finger on it.

What was I doing asking questions if not generating discussion? And what was

whiskey delta

doing that supposedly worried him? Does not make sense. Looks like a slip.

Late on in Day 1, operation to put the blame on me for

furtive glance

's miselimination started to take place. In spite of the fact that he jumped on the wagon himself. In 491 and 496, attempts and hopes were made to get me to take the bullet. It wasn't enough, so the plan was to back off and go after

Malakittens

instead.

Looking back, 561 was quite clever. At the time it made me get a soft townread of

whiskey

's slot. Maybe if he were bolder with pursuing this, he would have even convinced me to after

Mala

. Still, the way the gamestate is, I see this post as laying grounds for a

Malakittens

elimination Day 3.

Mala

and

whiskey delta

are definitely not both town-aligned, and neither is

Mala

and

hutmeil

and this is another reason for

whiskey delta

to be our elimination for today.

Now, going back to 191, me and

Malakittens

are both listed as townreads. Which makes sense from a scum point of view. Going after obvious town is a known scum tell around here and I would expect

whiskey delta

to know that. In my experience, it's almost always inexperienced townies who do this. This would also explain why I am still not dead as of now. My vote history is bad and in his eyes, it was probably easy to use it to miseliminate me when there is nothing else. And this is our last chance at getting it right, which gets the pressure going.

Another thing, who brought up the voting history right now? His partner,

hutmeil

, in 692. And, as I pointed out in 699, this was a double-edged sword, because

hutmeil

's voting record looks less bad only on paper.

I am town, I believe

Malakittens

is town, plus she doesn't seem aligned with either

WD

nor especially

hutmeil

whom she's been gunning after since the beginning of time. So the pool has got to be {

whiskey delta

,

hutmeil

,

Tidus of the x

}. And I think both

WD

and

hutmeil

know they're time is up, and they are gunning against each other to make the other one look cleaner Day 4.

Do not be fooled by this.

I am pretty much sold on this solve, so I will not hesitate to cast an actual vote. Do not follow me on this too easily,

WD

needs to be given a chance to explain himself and respond to this post.

VOTE: whiskey delta

[Greeting]

No rebuttal honestly. I played like shit and deserve this elim.

Hammer away. Sorry Town

VOTE: Greeting

If we’re both Town then scum can choose which to hammer since you are apparently confident enough not to worry about a speed hammer in ELO. If not then good game. Wish I had pushed you harder D2

I spent literally hours reading this thread back and forth

and I just do not see another solve. It's not me, not

Mala

and it definitely is not a pair of

hutmeil

and

Tidus of the x

.

If you really were town, you'd be defending yourself and you're not doing that and going on the counteroffensive instead, which means I'm right and I need not worry about this going wrong. I'm just wondering if your teammate is going to bus you or not.

Anyway, I am off to sleep and I won't be around until later tomorrow. It is the only way forward in my eyes, and if it really is the unlikely gamesolve that we're both town then it's game over and I'm beat fair and square, but at least I did my best. Goodnight.

[Greeting]

Me (left) vs. town (right)

[Greeting]

Firstly, thank you everyone for the game. I really enjoyed it. The amount of lies and hysterics I had to pull to get this makes me want to consider a career in politics.

Thank you for hosting, ducky.

Thank you Tidus, I'm glad we played together as scumbags. I just wish you were a bit more active and involved. I was really anxious when you didn't respond to me when questioned and seriously worried whether town would catch this, but thankfully they didn't.

For what it's worth, I do not think town played badly. It's just we did better.

Day 1 was really unfortunate for town and tipped the scales significantly in our favour already. Had we not pushed

Roden

to almost get eliminated, he would have gotten a red check on me and I would be

done

. The game would essentially be almost certainly a town win.

But even with this game being essentially mountainous (lacking any power roles) past Day 1, town still could have made it to the winning line.

Town's crucial mistake was to ignore my abysmal vote record which should have been damning enough to kick me out on Day 3. There were three reasons why it didn't happen. First one was that

whiskey delta

allowed himself to stray away from his better judgement and decided to follow me with his votes instead, which made both of us look really bad. Second one was that the only player who caught on to this was

hutmeil

, and, while he was absolutely correct pointing it out, he lacked the influence to make town look into it. I ruthlessly took advantage of this to shun him. As for the third reason,

whiskey

, you are a good player. Unfortunately, you lost hope towards the end of the game. I believe that if you made Day 3 you vs. me, you could have gotten

hutmeil

to vote me out and I instructed

Tidus

to bus me if I'm ever put at E-2. This would have at least ensured you made it to Day 4.

[Greeting]

At least I know I'm still terrible at this game. Fuck.

Why the fuck was I killed?

I felt threatened by you, so I had you killed.

Tidus

was hoping to miseliminate you, but I did not want to risk you going after me for essentially leading town into a mass suicide.

[Greeting]

By the way, my plan was to have

Tidus

build a case on

Malakittens

and convince town and myself to go after her, and for myself to publicly blame both Day 1 and Day 2 miseliminations on my solid townread on her. That didn't happen though. I noticed that

hutmeil

would go after

whiskey delta

instead, so I decided to use

whiskey

's vote history and outspokenness to frame him as a mafia team leader and get that miselim instead. It worked. It would have happened as soon as

hutmeil

got on that wagon as

Tidus

would have hammered if

whiskey delta

didn't self-hammer earlier.

[Greeting]

Congrats to the Mafia too.

Greeting, part of why I doubted was because I basically had the same record as you so figured if I could then so could others. I got really preoccupied with other silly stuff that took me out of focus on you but you were convincing enough to make me always question my doubts. Well played.

Tidus, what I said about your game isn’t true. Sorry for saying that. You genuinely had me believing you were just a newb lost in the sauce. I don’t think anyone will make that mistake anymore

I think you put up a good effort, your mistake was to choose to follow me over your own instincts.

I hope we get a rematch someday, I'd actually love to roll Masons or mafia with you!