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I'll be honest. I'm probably not going to read your past games unless I really, really have to thank you for providing them though.In post 23, furtiveglance wrote:I've been playing for a few months here.
Here are my completed town games: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88666, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89004, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89124
And my completed scum games: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89137, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89296
So far I've won 1/5 completed games
Mafia can be hard did you win as a wolf or town?
No worries on the mention. I've seen the rules posted about ongoing games. Second game here - so you've played elsewhere?In post 24, Tidus of the X wrote:This is my second game here, though i currently cannot mention what game I was in
Cool. I started playing around that same time until probably ~2018ish and then stopped. Hosting games is fun tooIn post 25, Greeting wrote:I started playing forum mafia around 2014, played and hosted a couple of games, but on a non-mafia site. Returned to playing only last year.
The question then is what are youIn post 26, Alianna wrote:This is my fourth game. I played in Newbies 2090 and 2092, in which I was VT both times. I also have one ongoing that I legally cannot discuss.
I don't have any other experience.thistime?
Is the newbie queue that different from the rest of the forum?In post 29, Roden wrote:A little over a year, but the last time I played in the newbie queue was back in September.
Thank you all for answering. Like I mentioned, I played for a few years on my homesite very regularly but that was a while ago. The deadlines will be an adjustment for me since I've only ever played with shorter ones but maybe a slower pace game could be just what I need these days. Suppose we'll see-
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I don’t disagree but I would add vanilla games do exist so it’s not impossible for Town to win without PRs. Generally speaking how would you describe the play here on MS?In post 32, furtiveglance wrote:Town, Newbie 2090. I think these games heavily depend on how many PR die early.
Mafia, stressful? Couldn’t beIn post 35, Roden wrote:It's a bit more serious and formal over here, for the most part, but a little less stressful imo.
I think I’ve heard of that forum. My homesite is called DM but I’ve played on a few different boards over the years like 2+2, VS, and MU.In post 36, Tidus of the X wrote:Yeah, I played on one other site, GameFAQs. I'm still very new to mafia though.-
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Anything stick out to you as rank worthy yet?In post 38, furtiveglance wrote:Towards the end of introductions people usually make 'readslists' ranking people from town to scum.
Good thing this setup doesn't allow for that then.In post 40, Alianna wrote:I don't know math but I'm pretty sure that number would drop to lottery odds in 7v2.
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What do you find disgusting about it?In post 53, takotsubo syndrome wrote:
Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.In post 16, hutmeil wrote:I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.
My notes:
Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)
Is this like a late stage RVS vote? Cause your phrasing doesn’t make it seem like you think 72 is scum. Offhand but it is funny they voted you for not RVS voting originallyIn post 63, furtiveglance wrote:These notes from hutmeil are very entertaining.
I'm gonna start beef with 72offsuit so you other people have something to talk about.
You like to rhyme, and commit crime (?).
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In post 70, Alianna wrote:
I have stuff to say about hutmeil but I'll wait until they respond.In post 68, whiskey delta wrote:hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that@hutmeil?
Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though
VOTE: Roden
generate some discussion then. Like why you are voting for FG, or what you think of 72 or Greeting or me or anyone else besides hutmeil?In post 71, Alianna wrote:Also, irrelevant, but this is the slowest D1 I have ever endured. It's taken us around 3 days to get near the end of the third page. The other games I've been in reached this point in a matter of hours.-
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For pressure. After stating you don’t think hutmeil would react that way as newbscumIn post 72, Roden wrote:Hedging how? I voted there.
Fwiw I had it in my head that your vote was E-2 but now I see that tako syndrome didn’t vote-
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I hadn’t thought of the different mafia roles for each column yet but that’s a good point. Clearly I need to familiarize myself more with this setup as we go. I guess my hang up stems from what I thought you were clearly implying with your phrasing. “Informed” as in like informed minority, but I agree with your conclusion that the more simple answer is probably the correct one.In post 79, Alianna wrote: I don’t know when hutmeil plans on responding or if it matters, so I’m just going to say what I was going to say.
It could be sus that they assumed I was talking about a town role, but the two possibilities were that furtive and I were masons and that furtive is FN who somehow informed me pregame.
FN can only exist in column B and masons can only exist in A and C, so this might be an indication that they don’t know what column we’re in (therefore town).
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Why not whiskey delta?In post 102, Greeting wrote:
WhyIn post 78, furtiveglance wrote:I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.whiskey delta?-
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Because in the greater context of the game Town clearing a possible MisElim early on as scum doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Could be faked, of course, yadda yadda but the post shows some depth I’m not sure scum go to just to TR someone they didn’t have to. lolme if wrong but I kinda like that read for where we are currently.-
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Is this the part where you double down on your pressure vote and turn it into a scum case?In post 126, Roden wrote:I think it's safe to assume that giving scum info about town PRs was considered anti-town play even a decade ago.
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I know you were replying to FG in this, but since they are not included in here - what are your thoughts on them so far?In post 177, takotsubo syndrome wrote:@FG:
I don't understand the townread on 72.
I'm half & half about hutmeil. Gut is telling me to go after that slot, but also the fact he's newer is stopping me.
I'm ok with a townread on Delta, Alianna & greeeting tho.
I want to give more time to sort Roden out tho. Roden is often a slot that's harder for me to read even tho I have played with him mult. times.
Tidus is newer so I can see that slot being limbait, but he also hasn't done anything.
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Town
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Roden
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This is how I'm seeing things currently and admittedly a lot hedges on hutmeil being Town and Roden being scum.
I already mentioned 79 fromAliannathat I liked a lot. It's a good evaluation coming from what it did and just generally not a read I would expect scum to make in that spot. They are being responsive in a way that gives me the impression they are paying attention and prodding others for info. Feels Townie and probability also says they probably just are.
I likedGreetingearly on for 41. Easy post to make for scum but still ~Townie in purpose. You can see how they are carrying the read they make on hutmeil while branching out in their responses. 182 more or less mirrors my sentiment irt Roden and I would consider this vote clearing if Roden ever flips scum.
Malakittensis almost pure tone reading. I wasn't the biggest fan of their entrance once they replaced in but their handling of hutmeil has been more dynamic than others and I generally like their response to FG in 177. Again, simple probability means this slot is most likely Town so without any flips to readjust accordingly I feel semi-good.
hutmeilis admittedly my leap of faith read in this situation. I am more convinced by what others have said than anything hutmeil has done in particular, but again if Roden turns up red then I would take them off the table as well.
72got an early TL for 20 & 47 because they seem geared to generate reactions. Didn't give much when asked for content but seems to be digging in now and asking pointed questions. Holding pattern until I see more but still >rand Town.
Tidushasn't said much which looks ~bad but at the same time I feel like scum would try harder to look productive. 148 isn't much but might be a >Townie reaction.
Furtiveelim would be something I could compromise on. I would describe their play as present enough to avoid suspicion without really making an impact either. 63 & 69 feel a bit contrived. They are asking questions and making comments along the way which aren't overtly troublesome but gut says are off. 120 & 122 make me curious about their reasons for having Alianna as a TR in 165 which sort of reads like cheeky TMI. FG as Town along with those 5 listed means their POE would be down to Tidus, Malalt, and Roden which makes the sequence between 137 & 150 interesting in a world where Roden is scum. The mix up could be genuine but I'm more pointing out the fact that they should be considering Roden a suspect based on their own reads but seem to be voting around the wagon up to this point. Worth coming back to if there is ever a scum reveal between these two.
Roden55 initially pinged because I didn't like how they were saying hutmeil was more likely Town but still voting them for "pressure". I feel their SR on hutmeil has developed unnaturally like they latched on early and have been backing their way into it. 123 & 124 is where I think this begins. Hutmeil doesn't say anything in 90 or 109 that implies they were voting Roden because they had more votes at the time so calling the vote opportunistic reads like false justification. 167 & 185 don't feel accurate to me irt hutmeil getting TRs. I'm not sure how he came to that conclusion but I disagree that hutmeil hasn't been analyzed or was done for self-preservation. Besides the SR on hutmeil I don't have an idea of where they are on anyone else, which in itself concerns me too. Others have said they don't recognize this play from Roden so I am willing to reconsider if needed but they are my strongest SR at this point and I would be fine eliminating if the deadline was today.-
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It really has nothing to do with your phrasing and everything to do with the arguments you are making to SR hutmeil. If hutmeil is Town then you appear to be scum fabricating a case against them. Your reasons justifying your vote while discrediting the TRs on hutmeil don’t make sense to me. The fact it’s so against the grain does give me some measure of pause, however.
If I am just mixed up because my comprehension sucks that is something I can accept but if that is the case, maybe help me out and present your case against hutmeil again in a few sentences that detail everything? And any other things that have stood out to you so far-
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In post 219, the worst wrote:
VOTE: FurtiveIn post 223, furtiveglance wrote:As for my vote, I think E-1 would be a bit hasty. If you currently had 2 votes, I'd vote you.-
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I can't say much else about Hutmeil until they post but we are not on the same page there as things stand, so hence the friction.In post 196, Roden wrote:There isn't much else going on, Hutmeil answered the prod then disappeared again. There are several people defending them, but they aren't really doing anything to defend themself. If it gives you pause that I'm "going against the grain", then you should be questioning why Hutmeil simply isn't playing and is staying silent as you all attack me.
Also, how exactly am I discrediting the town reads on Hutmeil? What did I say that was incorrect?
You said in 185 "I think the reason they're getting town read is a poor reason, since it comes from self-preservation rather than any attempts to actually analyze the player" regarding Hutmeil being TR by other players while you were voting against them. Who was doing what you are describing here? This is what I mean by discrediting because I don't think your account matches how things actually played out.
It's not, obviously. When I say you appear to be I am speaking from my POV. The reason I find you scummy is because of how you cased Hutmeil and how your reason changes each time you mention them. You voted originally for pressure, then called them opportunistic, and now you are lumping in activity tells.In post 197, Roden wrote:
?In post 194, whiskey delta wrote:If hutmeil is Town then you appear to be scum fabricating a case against them.
Why is this the only possible outcome?
You have backed off at this point but I agree that there is not much else to discuss about Hutmeil until they post again.-
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Generally I would agree but that is exactly why I switched to see if FG will follow thru on their 223In post 228, Tidus of the X wrote:Furtive seems towny to me for keeping it below E-1(it's a pretty towny thing to do to stop the potential to hammer until the town's decided where I first played)-
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LMAO perhaps so… I would be lying if I said I hadn’t entertained the idea already, but then again I figured your vote could end up here going back to 165 so I suppose it’s not all that surprising after all. I have been wondering when or if it would ever come which is also part of why I forced the issue.In post 232, furtiveglance wrote:
I don't really get why I was a scumread initially, but that aside, this comment looks like you thought you had solved the game with me/Roden. Which is a terrible solve.In post 231, whiskey delta wrote:My two SRs suddenly turning on each other is an interesting twist that I'm gonna have to sleep on
VOTE: Roden
What I really mean is you and Roden cross voting and being tied at E-2 is good info for now and later on. I don’t expect to be 2/2 but I also don’t think I’m 0/2. It’s a toss up until I’ve had more time process and see others weigh in.-
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Easy, it’s just a game after all. I am laughing at you calling my read terrible, to be specific. Like I said, it could be, but before this latest development it seemed you were reluctant to vote Roden despite them being in your POE so maybe it’s not so terrible or I’m just thrown off because you telegraphed this a while ago but only now have come around to it.
I have time to consider you both more. Putting you at E-2 and forcing you to call your own bluff and put my other SR at E-2 is beneficial to me and to the game state. I’d like to see others weigh in before I do anything else, like I already stated. No one has yet. For where we were 5-6 pages ago this is great stuff.-
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“switching from Roden to me makes it look like you don’t care which of us goes”
I would say pushing both of my D1 SRs is exactly what I should be doing here. Not having a definitive answer because it’s page 10 of D1 doesn’t mean I don’t care. More wagons equal more info and if swapping between two players I can see either being scum generates more then that is a good thing.-
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Let me clarify further so you at least have a better idea of where I am regarding you both. Independently I find you both scummy for reasons I have laid out. Whatever team tells I was seeing could admittedly just be conf bias as I tend to get ahead of myself sometimes and can be pretty confident in my reads once I get going
It is not lost upon me that after I mentioned a willingness to swap to you if necessary that Roden - as lead wagon - pivoted to you shortly after when it was apparent the hutmeil push was getting a lot of static and with no prior mention. I think this looks ~bad but maybe it’s genuine and they are spreading focus elsewhere like they stated. Between the two of you, I think Roden has an upper hand at the moment because of the points they are bringing up. Several of your reads have flopped without much to point to as the reason and other moves seem to lack conviction imo, sort of like you are doing them just for the sake of it. Even now, it feels more like you’re voting Roden because you were called out for it rather than because you actually think they could be a wolf.
Last post until this evening unless someone responds to me directly. I’d like others to start weighing in since I feel you, me, and Roden have been the loudest over the last several pages.-
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Not calling you a liar but I want to note in this situation scum will always claim some PR. There is still 48+ hours until deadline so I’m content to let this air out a bit more and see what others have to say
Which makes them a good NK candidate if they are Town. Do you think Greeting isn’t?In post 251, Roden wrote:I planned to check Greeting tonight btw. Way too many people town read that slot.-
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Generally speaking it’s not without a counter claim or compelling evidence to suggest the claimed person is lying. You have to look at the entirety of their play and see if things make sense. Does Roden - as Cop - play against his own ideas of self preservation by playing highly aggressive D1? Does it make sense that they would want to view Greeting based on the game state?In post 254, Tidus of the X wrote:I don't know if it's a good idea to kill a claimed power
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I understand that most of your games so far have been together?In post 270, Alianna wrote:
Wait, what exactly did you mean by this question?In post 256, whiskey delta wrote:@FGcan you go into more detail on your 246?
How do you and Alianna read each other generally?
Same question to@Aliannaas well.
I'm asking how you would typically approach reading FG. You disagreed with my read so I was hoping for some insight from someone that has more time with him in game. What are his tells? Have you been able to figure out the difference in his play between alignments?
@FGplease answer this as well irt Alianna. You have her as a mild suspect so I would like to know what you're seeing. Being Alianna'a top TR despite no meta freaks me out a little tbh so I am looking for perspective.-
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In post 265, Roden wrote:PRs get caught early by making it obvious they don't want attention when they usually play the game in every other game.
It might be a good idea to not blindly scum read anyone who tries to have independent thought.
Thank you.
I'll be honest - you're not really in a position to sit here and condescend after getting E-1'd on D1 as the Cop. For the better part of a week you parked your vote on a player and ignored/handwaved/mischaracterized analysis around them that said you were most likely wrong with your approach. YouIn post 266, Roden wrote:Yeah I don't really care tbh, I'm mentally checked out at this point.Consider it a lesson about how people play the game I guess.It's been pretty clear that I'm town simply for the fact I'm actually scum hunting and not playing with self preservation in mind.
Btw why are we considering anyone other than Furtive if he was one of your top scum reads? Or were you just distancing from your partner?stillhave yet to answer questions that have been asked irt your case/read on hutmeil. I typed out a paragraph with post numbers included pointing out exactly why I was bothered by you and your response was "you just don't like how I say things" lol like what, dude? I'll take my share of the blame if we really did out the Cop on D1 but let's not pretend it was unwarranted. You'd be hammered by now if not for your claim, so there's that. What made you think playing so far outside of your typical range (according to others) AS THE COP was a good idea? Only now when I squint really hard does it make sense that you were so quick to jump on the PR discussion and sus Greeting for agreeing that your play was off.
Likewise, you say the bold & underlined about your own play but apparently cannot see that I have a similar "bull in China shop" approach. I haven't played in years and knocking the rust off will take time. You all are new to me and I have no idea how the site meta goes, but I'll learn and get better as we go. If you really are Town, then I suggest you step back and clear your head, do whatever you need to do, and look at everything with fresh eyes.-
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Fair enough. If you had to describe Town!FG in a word or two, what would it be?In post 273, Alianna wrote:I've played with them in all three of my games thus far, but we were both town in all of those games. I couldn't tell you what scum!furtive looks like, I just haven't noticed anything that strikes me as a deviation from their towngame.-
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From 278
“You actively discouraged people from posting and scum hunting,and if Furtive flips town then you also played a major part in setting up the town PR and a fellow townie into being forced into a 1v1/chain mis-elim.”
Couldn’t disagree more about the first sentence but whatever
Bold sounds a little bull in china shop-y to me dude ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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“Are they going to come out and say things that stick out and sound shady? Or are they going to be reserved and try to sound helpful/solvey?”
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Last post of the nightIn post 301, Roden wrote:
What did 72 do? What did Furtive do?In post 300, whiskey delta wrote:Right on time.
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@Roden - stuff has happened. Things have changed. My reads are not the same and it seems I need to reevaluate completely. You can vote FG if you want. Vote me if you’d like. I don’t care I’m going to keep trucking and we will both just learn to get along
72 was a Hail Mary low poster elim vote - I’ll call it what it is. Timing aside the last two posts they made make me want to see what else they have to say. We are in this spot largely because of consensus so maybe more against the grain reads are warranted.
For FG I think part of it is that they aren’t scum reading me tbh but also because I was so wrong about you I am doubting my scum (and town) reads more generally.
Looking at the wagons at the time of your claim is what is really making me reconsider. My reads can suck but was everyone else just as bad? Counting myself that started your wagon there’s 5 to consider immediately.
Roden - (whiskey) hutmeil, Greeting, FG, Alianna
FG - 72, Roden, whiskey
FG still an option but one I’m way less confident about. I need to review everyone on the wagon again but 6/6 Town is not likely.-
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Players reevaluate all the time. You aren’t flipped but are as good as, and my reads have already changed so what is the point of your question exactly? Clearly my worldview needs adjustment. If I was wrong about you I could just as easily be wrong about others too. I’m not confident that FG flips either way anymore.In post 320, Roden wrote:
Why would being wrong about me make you doubt your other top scum read? Are you saying that if you had successfully voted me our Furtive out, and once of us flipped town, then you'd think the other was town?In post 318, whiskey delta wrote:
Last post of the nightIn post 301, Roden wrote:
What did 72 do? What did Furtive do?In post 300, whiskey delta wrote:Right on time.
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@Roden - stuff has happened. Things have changed. My reads are not the same and it seems I need to reevaluate completely. You can vote FG if you want. Vote me if you’d like. I don’t care I’m going to keep trucking and we will both just learn to get along
72 was a Hail Mary low poster elim vote - I’ll call it what it is. Timing aside the last two posts they made make me want to see what else they have to say. We are in this spot largely because of consensus so maybe more against the grain reads are warranted.
For FG I think part of it is that they aren’t scum reading me tbh but also because I was so wrong about you I am doubting my scum (and town) reads more generally.
Looking at the wagons at the time of your claim is what is really making me reconsider. My reads can suck but was everyone else just as bad? Counting myself that started your wagon there’s 5 to consider immediately.
Roden - (whiskey) hutmeil, Greeting, FG, Alianna
FG - 72, Roden, whiskey
FG still an option but one I’m way less confident about. I need to review everyone on the wagon again but 6/6 Town is not likely.
And you're right, 6/6 town being wrong isn't likely. the odds of town being wrong are extremely low, in fact. That's because there weren't 6/6 townies voting me or suspecting me. There were only 4.
You just seem to be admitting here that you don't want to vote out your scum reads and prefer to just push out a low poster who isn't defending themself.
6/6 counts everyone on the wagon (including you) which matters for the odds.
I literally just told you I am less sure about all of my reads. I hard charged on a wagon that got the Cop outted. I know you feel righteous in your conftown status but I don’t care. I am resetting and starting over again. Vote me or move on. You’re doing exactly what I did that got Town into this mess by tunneling incessantly.-
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This is worth follow up imo. If Roden, FG, and myself are all Town then this fits the bill of scum sitting back and nudging Town squabblesIn post 283, Roden wrote:Alianna it might be helpful to do literally anything other than snipe at a specific thing a conftown has said to try to discredit them.-
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For future reference, when you write stuff like you have here in the bold, it's the reason I scum read you. It is a blatant exaggeration and simply not true. Chirp away to your heart's content, I literally cannot stop you, but if you are going to continue asking me questions that are clearly leading and false I will just stop responding to you all together.In post 378, Roden wrote:It seems that you're only ok with tunneling a scum when you do it to confirmed townies, and that because of your "mistake" that no one else is allowed to pursue their scum reads unless it saves Furtive.
What do you think of Furtive blindly defending you and trying to save you from elimination last night even though he said you were scummy and that you were his only current scum read?
Things FG actually said last night:
1) My turn was weird/scummy
2) I am a complex read for him
3) 72 and Tidus were null/scum reads from before
4) He was probably going to eat it anyway
#4 actually has me wanting to TR that slot because of how accepting they seem to be of getting elimmed. Take a step outside your tunnel and consider that for a sec. There is a universe were all three of us are Town and the scum have been under the radar. Think about what you have said regarding scum play vs town play and then reevaluate this D1 - I think you'll find it enlightening.-
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In post 383, furtiveglance wrote:There's about 1 day to go. I don't like hutmeil's recent posting at all. Alianna isn't really giving me town vibes either.In post 384, furtiveglance wrote:I think whiskey delta is probably town for their approach to Roden pushing me. I'm kind of townreading Tidus' recent posts also.In post 385, furtiveglance wrote:Still thinking Greeting/Malakittens are town.In post 386, furtiveglance wrote:I think 72offsuit is town.
In post 381, Alianna wrote:Nobody has CCed.In post 382, Alianna wrote:Unofficial votecount mostly for my reference.
Alianna (2): 72offsuit, whiskey delta
furtiveglance (1): Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X
Not Voting (5): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, furtiveglance, AliannaIn post 389, Alianna wrote:I need to respond to 72's case and re-evaluate some stuff. It's a maybe.
this page alone makes me think I made a good choice flipping these readsIn post 393, Alianna wrote:Scratch that, idk if a response is even worth it.-
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You and Alianna, as it were. Not directly correlated to each other, but I am leaning more Town on you so your read on her does impact mine to a degree. So does 72's. I would be lying if I said I wasn't sponging their read but I think they could be on the right track with Alianna/Greeting/hutmeil roughly.In post 397, furtiveglance wrote:Which reads did you flip?
The short and dirty:
I think the way you have largely approached the D1 blunder has been Townie. Instead of switching gears onto me after Roden's reveal and him pressuring you to do so - which there was plenty of opportunity to do - you stayed consistent on your other reads. You also hesitated to vote Roden until I forced you by switching and making you the vote leader instead.
Simply put I think I was too quick to TR Alianna and could have been pocketed instead. I am bothered that she had me at the top of her TRs after I did the same with her first. 72's post (idr the number right now) pointing out the odd read Greeting made on that slot that has me really tinfoiling. Both of those players fit the criteria of what I think scum would look like who were largely out of the spotlight on D1. Both helped to wagon the Cop to E-1 while my big mouth did most of the arguing too.
Or could be newbscum who in the span of a few hours went from zero pressure to vote leader and aren't sure how to proceed because they know a FG!town flip would make them look worse after also being on the Cop wagon. She can't just eat this elim if she's scum but she also can't just wagon onto one of her TR's without it looking sketchy.In post 398, Roden wrote:That's not how that works. If Alianna was scum and knew Furtive was town, she would just sheep the Cop and blame my bad reads once they flip town. Instead, she's showing hesitance, since she's afraid of being wrong and feels pressured to get this vote right. This is a town mindset.
All Furtive and Whiskey care about is making sure each other survive. They don't care if they vote correctly or not, as long as they don't die. This is a scum mindset.-
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@hutmeil - Votes are a tool to gather information and should be used accordingly. If I wanted to play safe and make friends I’d be doing the opposite - food for thought.
I am claiming intent to hammer.
Someone from the Roden wagon needs to be the elim because I agree with Alianna that there isn’t all Town within that group. I don’t feel great either way about this flip but it’s better than nothing. I’ll be back on my lunch break in a bit-
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Okay so given what I just said and how I have used my vote what do you think that means?In post 447, hutmeil wrote:
Exactly. I'm using your voting history and find that you flip a lot. Just an FoS.In post 446, whiskey delta wrote:Votes are a tool to gather information and should be used accordingly.
Back to work now. Lunch soon-
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