Newbie 2099 | GTA San Andreas | Endgame

[Bulbazoor]

BBT the roleblocker directs rad, his goon, to kill juice. If you are town then it is BBT and flower imo. But I don't see that scenario as very likely

[Bulbazoor]

As BBT would have at least tried to block juice there and it appears like juice was not blocked based on there being no kill.

[Bulbazoor]

VOTE: BBT

[Bulbazoor]

Or maybe in that scenario BBt might just be a goon protecting flower the RBer. I haven't looked at that scenario too closely tbh

[Bulbazoor]

And maybe if flower is RBer they went rogue? Who knows why a team of BBT and flower target rad and don't block juice at the very least

[Bulbazoor]

I do find it curious that BBT was breadcrumbing a PR claim when he said "you guys will really regret voting me out". I believe he was gearing up to fish the PRs out at that time but it never got to the point where he was put at E-1.

[Bulbazoor]

So he just dropped the whole thing like he never said it and it was never really discussed again after the fact.

[Bulbazoor]

I will wait to see what FP says about the points I have raised regarding BBT. It goes against his reasons for saying BBT is not scum.

[Bulbazoor]

Spartan said he was waiting for a non doc or JK claim to counterclaim. That seems like a pretty obvious tracker soft looking at the context.

[Bulbazoor]

See this is why I didnt want to do it this way, I was hoping on the off chance someone would claim something non doctor or jailkeeper based and I could counter claim but I guess the cats out the bag. It's why I alluded to it a few times with everyone scum reading me yet I'm a PR :/

[Bulbazoor]

I still shudder anytime I even read through spartan's ISO, but that reads as pretty clearly having some form of knowledge about the setup. It is a pretty clear tracker claim there and it happened before Juice even outed as jailkeeper.

[Bulbazoor]

I did not even consider that.

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You do raise a good point about scum!Spartan knowing the setup. If town!FP was saved or even scum!FP (I believe it was the former most likely) got targeted by the JK, spartan easily knows there is a town jailkeeper.

[Bulbazoor]

Well, I still do not dislike a vote on BBT. I am more reluctant on lynching rad now than I was before.

[Bulbazoor]

Spartan is so cynical. He is never willing to consider the possibility that I might even be town. Why is that? Just because I didn't answer a question to his satisfaction day 2? What are his real reasons for wanting me eliminated? And I named a scenario that I think is the one that happened. But he did raise a valid point about you knowing the setup. The team could still be BBT and spartan or flower and spartan. Rad is occam's razor here (he was just scum that got roleblocked).

Who cares if I didn't know juice was JK? It makes sense to kill him at some point just by virtues of being the towniest.

To address your point about my argument not making sense, why would roleblocker and goon both target same person for kill and roleblock?

[Bulbazoor]

Who cares if I didn't know juice was JK? It makes sense to kill him at some point just by virtues of being the towniest.

Which is what most likely happened night 2 when you got your scum buddy Rad to try and kill Juice but he was jailed so couldn't.

I guess it is very you to say it makes a lot of sense for you to night kill one of the town who had you at the top of their town list...

You do not even think for a second that I could be genuinely game solving?

[Bulbazoor]

Is this just because you dislike the way I have played this game? I am trying to see your POV for why you have scumread me so hard. Every argument you make against me just seems like confirmation bias. The way you scumread me, it seems like you would twist me being innocent on a cop report as me somehow being godfather.

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My point being there is no godfather in this setup.

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Spartan also didn't consider flower shifting their tone on me and suddenly following along after BBT and saying he had a good point. This is what happened with me and Rad yet spartan chooses to focus on the interaction between me and Rad. They are both the same thing happening yet spartan only chose to focus on me. This tells me that maybe spartan is only selecting stuff I do and viewing it as such motivated. He might not be paying as much attention to what others do because he is so focused on me.

[Bulbazoor]

Why couldn't it be a BBT and Rad team spartan?

[Bulbazoor]

That doesn't explain how BBT is not scum

[Bulbazoor]

All I saw was he would target juice. How do we know he didn't target juice? He could have sent rad to do it

[Bulbazoor]

And FP is not 100 percent clear? Who said his word was the law of the land?

[Bulbazoor]

FP: whoever votes BBT is scum.

Spartan: bulba you are scum because FP said that if someone scumreads BBT they are scum.

*flower changes tone about BBT and then hops on bulb being scum*

Spartan: proceed

*bulba brings up how rad brought up a good point that makes sense in the context of the events that took place*

Spartan: this guy is scum

You see what my issue is here?

Another example:
*I don't answer if I want BBT out according to his standards*

Spartan: he is undoubtedly scum

I feel like he is really hopping on me when everything I have done can also be done due to how flabbergasted I am due to this hard-core push on me. It should be clear that I don't know who to trust with everyone pushing me. I did have a rad and BBT read, but now I am curious about what flower will do.

[Bulbazoor]

And I don't think I have seen anyone present a good argument against the theory that BBT sent rad to perform the kill and that their target was indeed juice.

[Bulbazoor]

Even spartan says that I targeted juice for a kill night two. Why is he discarding the possibility that BBT targeted juice through rad night two?

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I just think the most likely scenario here is BBT did indeed try to target you and sent rad to do the kill. Spartan is pretty much saying what I think happened except swap me with BBT and you have my solve.

[Bulbazoor]

I think BBT was breadcrumbing PR when he said "you guys will really regret lynching me". I find it odd how that was never really discussed after the fact.

On your point about BBT having a PR read on juice, they very well could have targeted juice and then targeted someone else for a block. If there was a roleblocker, there was also a possibility for a cop and doc setup so I do not see why you roleblock and kill the same person especially if the cop and doc setup is a possibility.

[Bulbazoor]

And the fact that BBT and Rad are not really acknowledging each other much today also leads me to believe I am correct on my solve. I do admit I am still sort of puzzled as to why flowers flipped so suddenly on me.

[Bulbazoor]

So why is a BBT and Rad team not plausible? You saw how they tapered off of each other today. Why are they both on me now and haven't really paid much attention to each other as soon as the PRs started hinting that they wanted me out?

[Bulbazoor]

I am still down 100 percent to vote rad btw. Assuming a team of bulb plus rad, the PRs were still keeping flower as a viable lynch option. Flower getting lynched there is a good option for said scumteam. What do I gain from vehemently not wanting you lynched? If anything I would not have been fighting as hard for you to stay in this situation. Especially given that the juice and fp seem very open to voting you out.

[Bulbazoor]

BBT never went to the lengths I went to pursue my scumread on goldfish for his scumread on rad. He just kind of threw him up in his scumread list and I get the feeling he chose the alwaysnever slot to read as town despite them not coming across as very town to begin with (when it was alwaysnever in the game). I ask you to go back and reread BBt's interactions with rad.

[Bulbazoor]

I was certain goldfish was flipping scum on day one. I believed goldfish was scum due to:

The disproven meta
The fact that they weren't very active (I tend to be biased against inactive players)
Them apparently reading for PRs from their post (I will admit though that I was paranoid about them flipping PR)

And you saw how certain I was on that read from how hard I asked for the day to end.

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And that line (if BBT did PR read Juice) was very unnecessary to make as town. What purpose did it serve for town!BBT to say "oh hey I pr read juice" subtly when juice was not even being considered as a target for a lynch?

[Bulbazoor]

Juice is currently voting flower I think

[Bulbazoor]

If he says me, it shouldn't come as a shock as there has been piling pressure on me today and I am an easy vote for him to say

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And he has a "big townread" on flower

[Bulbazoor]

What a quiet IRL day this was for the game

[Bulbazoor]

I’ve read flowers posts and I do think they make sense the association between Rad and Bulba is almost a little too obvious but that’s shouldn’t deter me I suppose.

I’m mostly reading Bulba as town due to his tone but Flowers tone also comes across as town, he strikes me as someone who really believes he’s correct.

I still think killing Rad is the safest but it doesn’t really change the game state much whether we do it now or tomorrow and I suppose Rad is more likely to be good based on him giving up earlier today


If town wants Bulba dead I’m willing, it’s quite possible I’ve just been convinced by his mostly emotion driven defense, he hasn’t given me great reason to vote anyone else today other than that people could be scum rather than them actually being scum.

I’m going to count vote counts to make sure I don’t hammer and then I’ll vote bulb.

I think today has run out of steam anyway we are talking in the same circles.

I literally argued a whole fucking case. I can't anymore.

[Bulbazoor]

VOTE: bulba

[Bulbazoor]

That was the hammer. I don't think town had any chance to win with me still in the game. Everyone was just going to remain super fixated on me no matter what I did.

[Bulbazoor]

yes I am very blatantly town too. Mod come in and end this day please.

[Bulbazoor]

I don't see how anyone can read how invested I was in this game and say otherwise.

[Bulbazoor]

I am just ready to move on to the next game.

PEdit: Yep. But you guys just insisted on eliminating me and not reading any points I made and constantly misrepping me.

[Bulbazoor]

The last vote count picture fits my situation perfectly. I tried but it is hard shifting the views of stubborn people who for some reason suddenly do not want BBT or rad out.

[Bulbazoor]

I guess spartan will look like a fool once I flip which is the one consolation I have in me dying

[Bulbazoor]

even when I flip green spartan will say that mod got the flip wrong and somehow try to claim I am the actress or I have disguised my role.

[Bulbazoor]

I have never seen someone scumread someone for something so absurd as "oh you didn't say whether you want BBT out or not". And nobody questioned the fact that that was the main thing that a case on me was built out of? Unbelievable.

[Bulbazoor]

Summary of the whole game: somebody else does something NAI
town and spartan: carry on
I do something NAI
town and spartan (wearing their scum colored glasses): crucify bulba! He is the scum.

someone else presents a flimsy ass case
town and spartan: hm valid argument. your read shift seems natural.

I attempt to make sense of the game and present some arguments as I don't have full information like scum does so I am just putting forth my best guess at what is going on
town and spartan: you are scum! You are clearly making up some BS. Why did you flip on that read and get paranoid?

[Bulbazoor]

Spartan: FP says anyone who votes BBT is scum therefore Bulba is scum hurr durr.

[Bulbazoor]

Lol

[Bulbazoor]

Well played scumteam

[Bulbazoor]

N2 Rad was jailkept and so he couldn't do the kill.

We (I?) actually thought that Juice was Cop and so we roleblocked randomly to try and stop Doc protecting Juice.

I figured this happened as it was a chance you had the doc and cop set

[Bulbazoor]

Yeah I definitely lack in the persuasion aspect. I get too emotional too quickly. My apologies

[Bulbazoor]

BBT - did great to turn around Elemk terrible start. Should of just stayed on my original read.
Shame about the self hammer - but it is what it is. Want to say sorry to Bulba for freaking out - they had cleared themselves by going to giving me hammer of them. But meh it is what it is.

If I had understoof how JK worked - I would never have softed

At that point I figured you, BBT, or spartan was going to hammer me the next day. Maybe I was wrong

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Correction : next IRL day