Newbie 2122: DRAGONS! | Game Over

[SzmarzLeek]

Am I supposed to play with myself?

[SzmarzLeek]

patchwork, how do you read happy/mew and why?

could be a short answer, not a huge analysis

[SzmarzLeek]

Delta - I'm not "so sure" about patch. But they were giving some content. It's my approach to the game, that an active person (which isn't trolling) isn't a good target for d1 lim. Reasons I stated before. Alive patch can convince people to their allegiance more confidently. Alive patch would be expected to to keep up with the content. Patch alive for another day could possibly provide more interactions and info on their potential partner.

I am confident with this approach, that's why I wanted to lim happy or Mew instead.

But since patch stopped the quality content and their value alive is getting reduced, I could hammer them now. Also because now I see that I won't be able to build consensus on happy or Mew on d1. It's a social game after all, I can't decide singlehandedly.

I intend to hammer. I guess we're waiting for Delta now.

Warning: intending to hammer.

[SzmarzLeek]

Oh, sorry. Happened when I read.

I'll vote then.

[SzmarzLeek]

VOTE: patchwork

[SzmarzLeek]

Of course I'm not so sure. I'm never sure. I'm just looking for good targets. I believe iavh and Mew are better ones. But I won't be able to build a consensus on them, so I went to with patch. Patch is the best alternative from those two.

[SzmarzLeek]

But you scumread them, right? Cause it's real weird that you didn't declare intent to hammer before Black unvoted. Like REAL weird.

I belive this happened when I was typing my post.

[SzmarzLeek]

I won't comment on the rules, different sites, different customs. I don't feel offended by patch BTW, it's cool. Part of the game.

[SzmarzLeek]

It's a second day where patch stopped the effort and continues their rage/victim posting. I don't like that. Like they stopped the effort for scum hunting and I'm worried they'll say it's because they're offended.

But also as I said, I won't be able to build consensus for other candidates.

[SzmarzLeek]

"For me, it's the optimum play, and if nothing else it will at least cut noise from the game in terms of this back-and-forth arguing which is more ad homenim-y and aggressive than actually productive."


That's a horrible argument to lim someone. My style is how I'm used to play and how it works in my community. I don't regret it and I'll continue to play that way.

[SzmarzLeek]

You're the one manipulating. Your other paragraphs are nothing that I could have an answer for.

Leek hasn't "painted themselves in good light" and "i think is more likely to flip red". How can one answer that?

[SzmarzLeek]

Hey, it works for me!

I don't know mate, I think that's more for you to work out and convince me that someone else is today's lim. If you had a compelling case I'd listen.

Do you have one?

Can't be bothered to provide answers to unspecified questions ("make a case" ). My posts and actions throughout whole game make me probably the most innocent person in this thread.

I have not avoided interactions with anyone in this thread. I had no fear of scumslips or revealing my potential partner.

I turned the whole attention to me multiple times. I was so ballsy, that a scum could never play like that (eg. when almost ordering people whom to lim).

You're lucky I found your predecessor innocent, because otherwise I'd grill you hard.

[SzmarzLeek]

I misunderstood, I thought you asked me to make a compelling case why I'm green.

But I already answered multiple times why I agreed to go with patch today, Delta. I don't like repeating myself and I won't. Those answers were on the thread after you joined as a replacement. If you didn't understand them, then the case is fruitless.

[SzmarzLeek]

Well, I won't come up with more compelling stuff. I'd have to waffle or repeat myself, and those are things I both don't want to do and neither like to do.

[SzmarzLeek]

Okay. Fair enough. I won't convince anyone otherwise. When I see my posts they seemed quite clear to me and a valid reasoning. I won't make a better case tomorrow.

I just ask you to lim me quickly, because I really want to see the progress of this game.

Just let me know before hammer (tag me, quote me) - I'll make a final speech).

[SzmarzLeek]

Final thoughts:


So I think happy and mew are decent targets, also you have to reconsider Delta - they could have been saving their partner patch.

Mew, Delta, Patch, Black, Happy.

Black because they've seen a chance to lim me after Delta's possibly naive wagon change.

Rest is town.

If Patch flips red, Black is clean. So do patch rather earlier than sooner.

I think if you'll listen to me after I flip green, then I'm not the worst d1 lim.

Mint, Aureal and Merlyn are clean.

[SzmarzLeek]

Please make it quick I enjoyed playing with you, sorry if those meltdowns were real, but they seem fake to me. Both patch's and Iavh's. Sorry if you felt uncomfortable with my shades.

[SzmarzLeek]

I give up, sorry, Black. Also if this is regarding you, then others should judge.

[SzmarzLeek]

If you really are town here then you shouldn't "give up" lmao. You're not even the leading wagon. You have to do better than this

Because I literally won't be able to type more without repeating myself. What's the point? If my current game doesn't greenify me, then no point typing further. And I don't think it's a bad lim. I think scum doesn't feel safe right now. A lot has happened during this d1. Valuable day even with a mislim.

[SzmarzLeek]

Also, leek: If you're gonna say I'm faking that, fuck you! With all the disrespect in the world, I do hope you learn to be a little less insensitive. Thanks!

Yes, you fake a lot. Very fake, possible scum.

[SzmarzLeek]

Also, after I flip green, see who was at me when I was at e-1. I think Shea unvoted me then. Very green.

[SzmarzLeek]

Yes, could be site culture. But not totally. We have both chill players and pressuring players. Chill players are better at being perceived as innocent quickly (when they're truly green) and pressuring players are better at finding scum. We consider d1 to be a day of a lot of pressure. Because you want to make content for calmer analysis' for later days.

[SzmarzLeek]

Yikes.

Can we all maybe just move past this and vote Mew? I'm really confused how nobody really seems to think this is a good slot but somehow nobody is voting there anymore?

Nah, nobody wanted to lim Mew + I gave up because Delta scumread me. Please vote me because I want this game to be moved forward.

[SzmarzLeek]

Like I thought we were fucking over this but I guess not!

I had my emotions too. But I believe I was at E-1 too already and behaved way differently than you.

[SzmarzLeek]

Nah, I don't think so. Vote me, Mew, let's move this game forward.

[SzmarzLeek]

This will be interesting.

VOTE: MewTaph

[SzmarzLeek]

@Mint @Aureal

When I fall, you will probably have a lot of content to solve this game. I trust in your analytical brains.

[SzmarzLeek]

vc por favor

[SzmarzLeek]

Well, it's a shame. I got a info from Black saying they were green. Shame that they didn't live. Thanks for choosing me.

Now we got more content.

[SzmarzLeek]

How many lims we have left?

[SzmarzLeek]

ok, above is scum

[SzmarzLeek]

or more trolling i didn't pick up

[SzmarzLeek]

I really struggle to understand Happy sometimes.

How does patch look like when they put innocent me at E-1 at d1?

What the heck was happy attempting to do after my post?

Let's try to answer these questions.

[SzmarzLeek]

Who didn't lim patch immediately, when they were at e-1? Except for me.

[SzmarzLeek]

What were Black's most recent reads?

[SzmarzLeek]

Oh, I thought Black's power only works if they target town, because what would be the point of informing scum if someone is Townie? Scum already knows.

[SzmarzLeek]

daykill happy

[SzmarzLeek]

I'm cry

[SzmarzLeek]

Why would they send me a message though. And I guess it was more patch scumread then me? I was a recent thing I believe.


Mint, our analyst, I'm counting on you, because I'm a bit busy lately and can't spend too much time regarding those issues. Hopefully you find some. I'm not lazy, just busy.

[SzmarzLeek]

So how would you describe your usefulness for the town, happy? Are you going to find scum this game?

[SzmarzLeek]

I'll be catching up tomorrow, I'm away today. Seems like I'll have a lazy Sunday, so I'll be here.

We have a lot of d1 material to analyze, so I'll try to dive deeper into that. Reread Black to be sure.

[SzmarzLeek]

I like shea (+black) v leek here
we could vote leek here but it's e-1 so I don't think I'll vote leek here
if leek flips red I won't be much surprise
if green flip I won't be much surprised either.
it's one of the two anyways :p
leek just seems bad town/scum
will read leek's iso with a town pov and a scum pov then we'll see again

It's an old post, but I came back to it during my reread

Do you guys agree that this is supper scummy?

It's like "I want to be active without actually saying something meaningful".

Then patch put me at e-1 very soon after that, apparently "for pressure".

Could it be that iavh was laying the ground with quoted post to hammer me with cooperation with patch? What do you think about it?

Shae unvoted me really quickly saying "bro it's like 24 hrs into the game". So haply could have missed their chance on their Kindle

I think it could be patch + happy.

Happy has really weird approaches to the game.

Sometimes it's trolling, but if it was a consistent trolling throughout whole game, that'd be more towny. But sometimes they make posts like the one I quoted or cry irl because they care so much.

I think trolling is an attempt to concede about how they really care about them being limmed.

And who's more afraid of being limmed? Scum.

Also, bonus town points for Aureal, because Shea unvoting me so quickly was a very towny reaction.

Unless... patch and Shea agreed to coordinate "good cop and bad cop" play on their PT. But I believe it's less probable. I think it's more likely that Aureal is simply town.

Mint is also town, their analysis' are too deep to be made by scum.

Patch's analysis' I believe are more shallow (as opposed to Mint's in depth ones).

My town:

Mint
Aureal


My yellows (gotta reread them):
Delta
Merlyn

The problem with Delta and Merlyn is that what they played so far would be easy to play for a scum. They haven't been under pressure this game. They haven't made in depth analysis. Gotta be careful.

My probable scum:
happy - the trolling is simply not consistent and something smells wrong here, with weird plays, sometimes it's "i don't care about this game at all" but behind it all I believe there's a player who cares too much

patch - why put me at E-1 24 hours into the game? To pressure me, while it wasn't needed, because I kept responding anyway?

[SzmarzLeek]

Delta - hmm, there's a chance they didn't know the vote count (I didn't) for hammer, but scum could have easily counted the votes.

Also I didn't like their entrance to the game, by nitpicking a minor fact that I was willing to hammer patch just as Black unvoted them. It would be an easy thing for a scum to point out and try to put me on a wagon. They kept shouting in the thread how supposedly WEIRD I behaved. Thankfully black put some sense into them.

[SzmarzLeek]

mafia is about lying, you are 100% allowed to lie in mafia about your conditions, real life, your family, you can swear on whatever you like

It's mafia basics

[SzmarzLeek]

Why wouldn't you? I mean it's better for scum NOT TO LIE too much, just skew the truth for their needs.

There's one truth but there are many interpretations


Why I didn't vote you yet?

It's a social game. I'd like to discuss my thoughts. We still have some time. I can use it to do more reading and maybe change my mind. I can use it to cross examine my thoughts and theories with my townies. It's not a solo game. It's a team game.

[SzmarzLeek]

^ is to happy

[SzmarzLeek]

Aureal, what do you read from your back and forth with Delta?

Regarding their hammer - let's agree that it could be both done by town and diligent sneaky scum.

The gaslighting part is interesting. What is exactly Delta gaslighting you about?

Do you have the same feeling as I do that Delta sometimes does "superficial pressuring" by pestering people regarding meaningless things? Would be easy to achieve by scum.

[SzmarzLeek]

What's with you guys getting all nervous in this game? Iavh, patch and now Delta... C'mon guys. It's a game after all.

[SzmarzLeek]

Delta - hmm, there's a chance they didn't know the vote count (I didn't) for hammer, but scum could have easily counted the votes.

Also I didn't like their entrance to the game, by nitpicking a minor fact that I was willing to hammer patch just as Black unvoted them. It would be an easy thing for a scum to point out and try to put me on a wagon. They kept shouting in the thread how supposedly WEIRD I behaved. Thankfully black put some sense into them.

Leek, can you elaborate on that interaction with Delta? I believe several of us were confused how you said you were scumreading patch apparently because of that pressure from Delta.

Yes.

I wasn't able to built a consensus on my more confident scum reads - Mew and iavh.

You keep saying "but you scum read patch then??".

Its not zero and one thing. It's a spectrum. Patch was my "third choice". Choice I'd be unhappy to go with, because I had better candidates. But I was willing to go with patch, because they started to behave weirdly (all these rage and stopping to look for scum, instead victimizing themselves) + town cooperation and compromises are healthy. So I put my ego in my pocket and agreed with other players, that if they're truly not willing to go with iavh/Mew then I won't be the stubborn and selfish one. It's a social game.

Sometimes you ask "but how can you lim someone you don't SR?". It's a spectrum, people, and we have to agree on something. Patch would be a better lim than other players but worse than Mew and iavh at that point.

[SzmarzLeek]

How much time we have left?

[SzmarzLeek]

Delta, why are you behaving like that? Have you had a bad weekend?

Can you give us your scumreads instead of tantrums?

[SzmarzLeek]

55 hours til deadline.

[SzmarzLeek]

everyone, please provide 1 or 2 names you'd be willing to lim today

[SzmarzLeek]

I think this game might be dead? Where the heck is everyone?

Are you alive, patchwork? Leek? There hasn't even been a vote count in three days.

Yeah, I'm here.

Not much to add though, we kinda didn't move this game forward and it's partially on me. I'm used to 24 hour days and 1 week games. Seems like it's common to lose some motivation after the prolonged games.

I doubt happy's claim but I believe it's reasonable to unvote them. I think I'll go with patch then.

I yellowread patch d1 andywanted to keep patch alive for content, but they're not active anymore (I'm guilty of that too). Putting me at E-1 so early d1 was really weird. Now it's a better time to lim them I believe. They had their chance to greenify themselves with more active scum hunting but they didn't.

[SzmarzLeek]

I ISOed Merlyn right now and I'm not getting scum vibes from them. Looks like legit truth seeker, sharing some of town's feelings and emotions (they wondered about the same things I wondered). Also good beef with patch, lots of good points.

[SzmarzLeek]

VOTE: patchwork

[SzmarzLeek]

"I think that #1371 is a fake townslip as well."

Yeah, it wasn't a townslip. I legit thought that Black's role purpose is to make a committee of innocent people knowing about their innocence. Kinda counter-scum. I'm not familiar will this site's roles, hence the confusion.

[SzmarzLeek]

Remember that it's my first game on this site, so a lot of info to take in. I just received a message from Black and was saddened that they died and we couldn't town-town cooperate in the thread.

[SzmarzLeek]

I don't feel like I've been OMGUSing happy though? Iirc I wanted to lim happy after their fake crying irl meltdown. I don't think I've been omgusing this game.

[SzmarzLeek]

That's simply not true. I explained why I wanted to lim you multiple times during d1

[SzmarzLeek]

Your tunneling on me, your lack of scumhunting, your attempts to you conceal the fact that you don't care about the game with trolling and then apparently caring so much that you cry irl. Your scummy post nr 246.

If you didn't claim, I'd lim you to the ground. I believe your added value to the town (if you're town, I doubt the claim) is negative. The game would be much simpler without your egocentrism and attention hunting, I believe.

[SzmarzLeek]

if not patch, then it's probably Delta

[SzmarzLeek]

I feel like my every scum read has been OMGUSing me in this game. Mew voted me cause I was their direct candidate. Happy has been tunneling me for so long. Patch just changed their mind on me to save themselves. What the heck?

[SzmarzLeek]

Calm down, Tom. We patiently wait for results and regenerate for d3.

[SzmarzLeek]

Then I'll make my case against you.

[SzmarzLeek]

so if you're town, patch, and I'm also town, then who's scum?

[SzmarzLeek]

nah, tell us who's scum, don't act like an grumpy old lady

then I'll go to the parking lot with you

[SzmarzLeek]

I'm town, assume it for a moment and tell us who'll be scum if it's not me

[SzmarzLeek]

I'm at work though and waiting for the flip. Please control your nerves and don't "fuck off" me.

[SzmarzLeek]

Calm down, Tommy, man!

[SzmarzLeek]

Apology for what, exactly? Not sure if you missed that, but they were the one who suggested the parking lot.

How do I treat people?

[SzmarzLeek]

Ehh, you may have some point. I'll reconsider my behavior. Sorry, patch.

[SzmarzLeek]

RIP iavh. I didn't believe they were the tracker. I thought the real one just didn't counter claim to live longer. Weird playstyle from iavh all around.

Patchwork, I retract my apologies. You were a nasty, manipulating scum. Terrible scum, low skill level.

Now we have to check patch and their interactions, who wanted to bus them, who wanted to save them. We have a good chance to win now, I believe. 2 lims left, right?

[SzmarzLeek]

Why? I am sorry if any of you is offended. I just wanted to dig at patch. They can still write in the mafia PT, right?

Mafia is a psychological game. Both sides aim to lower the other side's morale. Also, I don't think I said anything that bad? Compare it to the stuff that was thrown at me. Or the attempts by scum to lim me. I was just wanted to jab the mafia.

All my efforts in this game were to find scum. And I think we're doing pretty decent. Except for Mew, I feel sorry for them.

Scum is lying to your faces. Have no remorse. I have feelings for my town teammates, that's why I feel sorrow if I've ruined any of your fun. It's totally a different culture in my community. Seems like I need to adjust. I'm used to "what happens in the game is a game" approach.

Anyway, let's focus on finding the remaining scum. Starting from Delta.

Jzhenson seemed townie, but they haven't played a game that'd be difficult to play for a scum. They weren't super active, they hade a few, well thought out posts.

About Delta... do you think when Delta joined the game, they tried to change the patch wagon into the Leek wagon and ultimately the Mew wagon? I'll reread Delta-patches interactions tomorrow.

But I have a feeling that Delta's reasons for limming others are kinda superficial. Like with Mew (oh you revenge voted Leek, you must be scum!). Or with me before. Or now with Mint and Aureal (you want me gone, must be scum!).

[SzmarzLeek]

Aren't they helping their scum partner in the scum private thread now? Can't they communicate? It's the norm in my community.

[SzmarzLeek]

Anyway, regardless of that, lowering the remaining scum morale by calling out their bad game is a plus for the town, I believe. Not insults (I'm not insulting people), but digging on them seems like a normal behavior.

[SzmarzLeek]

Maybe Aureal didn't vote you because that'd be E-1. Avoiding lolhammers while we still have time to play. That makes sense to me.

[SzmarzLeek]

Can one hammer themselves? I thought one can't vote themselves.

Anyway, Delta, we have some time. Don't hammer yourself, please. I need more time to read and ISO some players.

May there be a plot twist and the scum would be amongst Aureal, Mint or Merlyn? Yes, it's possible. But often in mafia we overcomplicate stuff, and your voting history unfortunately works against you, Delta. Maybe you have to die in order for us to catch remaining scum. But let's spend that time productively. Right now according to you it's either Aureal or Mint, with stronger SR on Aureal?

Merlyn - I don't like your responses to Mint. I feel like some of them are in bad faith. They were not pointing out that they started the patch wagon so they can appear great player, but to make a point about their innocence. I feel like you sometimes twist Mint's words.

Delta, małe some points about Aureal, please, and I'll ISO them and try to notice the scuminess you see.

[SzmarzLeek]

Point for Aureal - when patch put me at E-1 d1, Shea quickly unvoted me. Very quickly. How likely would be coordinating this with patch? I think it's not very likely.

[SzmarzLeek]

Preferentially we would remove Aureal from the game today and just win straight-up but ho-hum - if I have to go in order to win.

It was a reference to this post of yours.

[SzmarzLeek]

I have to read a fair amount of d1, was jzhenson's vote unharmful at that stage to patch, or was it significant? What was the situation when they unvoted patch? This will help us.

[SzmarzLeek]

So you belive Aureal was setting the ground in d2 for your d3 lim? Which posts do you mean, specifically?

[SzmarzLeek]

I ISOed Aureal and I feel like in d2 they could have easily lim me instead of patch. They townread patch d1, they were uncertainish about me. I'd be easier for Aureal to jump on the Leek wagon than on the patch wagon.

If I got limmed d2, that'd leave the town with having to lim 2 scums in a row, right? Big win percentage for scum.

So either it is a scum blunder, yolo play or 5d chess to lim patch instead of me.

I think we should focus on simpler solutions instead of looking at this conspiracy theory.

By simpler solutions I mean people who tried to save patch d2.

[SzmarzLeek]

And if you say that Black and Delta have some history (which is confirmed by looking at Delta's signature), then Black kill makes some sense.

[SzmarzLeek]

1426 by Aureal

[SzmarzLeek]

Personally, I've been waiting to see what direction Delta was going to go.
Because I raised an eyebrow at his day one positions.
I really didn't like that surprise hammer.
I don't like at all that he has been so quiet day two- I haven't actually played with him before but I get the impression he's normally a hyper poster.
I think if he'd actually accidentally hammered he would have opened with some sort of mea culpa, not shrugged it off with minimal fanfare after I asked about it.
I think the fact that Black was the NK isn't a great look for him, because he'd be particularly wary of her catching onto him from past experience.
And I really don't care for how he's apparently going after the low hanging fruit in happy now, after letting half the day go by to see what sort of pushing might occur.

[SzmarzLeek]

I ISOed both patchwork and Delta.

1. Delta's interactions with patch were surprisingly sparse...

If they talked

directly

, it was to talk mostly about non-game per se related topics.

@Patch: What I wrote wasn't a slight on you, for context. There's ways and means of reacting and I really want you to be able to stay in the game. I understand that you were provoked and it's perfectly valid to be angry and upset, but it's not okay to be telling people to go fuck themselves as the sole purpose of several posts.

I want you to be able to stay and play and enjoy the game, so that's why I want you to feel like you can chill, if that makes sense.

Patch honestly please chill out with telling Leek to go fuck themselves - you're getting super aggressive and personal. I get why, but it doesn't make it okay kind of thing and I would rather you deal with it yourself before someone comes in and deals with it for you if you get me?

Ninja'd: Uh

2.

Delta's reasons for limming people are shallow in this game.

Let's take this example, when I wasn't sure about patch d1 (because they were pretty active for a scum and even wrote some analysis).

'I'm not so sure about Patch'
'I intend to hammer'

VOTE: Szmarzleek

Of course I wasn't sure. I'm a townie, truthseeker.


Anyway, let's look why Delta wanted to lim certain people:
- lim Leek, because he wanted to hammer just as Black unvoted
- lim Mew because they voted Leek as their direct lim opponent
- lim happy because they did a fake townslip
- lim Aureal (now) because they want to lim me.

It's a scummy behaviour, I believe. Scum can't do in-depth stuff from the perspective of a townie, because they're not town. They'll stick to any reason and they hold it strong.

3. Delta's weird attitude about patch in d1 and d2

In d1 Delta tried to save patch, by changing wagons and saying that patches frustration is towny. They said it's not a good lim, they town read them consistently.

Only to change their mind for d2 for a minor thing:

" Patch
- I wouldn't find the lim talk so scummy if it wasn't for the fact that Patch went on to cover off on why they wouldn't have killed Black over Mint. It felt a bit forced and to me it looks a bit like Patch explaining away that a Black lim wouldn't have done anything for them."

Another superficial/shallow reason to suddenly move your townread to scumread.

So Delta's read on patch:
- town at d1
- scum at d2
- voting Leek consistently at d2
- when Patch is mechanically gone in a lim (we're waiting for a vote count) Delta is quite sure about patch:

I

think we've hit scum here

but I don't see the value in that post.

In the

unlikely event

that Patch flips town, I don't know what I would think about Leek tbh.

That's quite a weird progression. It feels like Delta wanted to appear to be sure about patch without actually limming patch. And they said that Leek and Patch aren't likely partners, so how they're so sure about patch, if I'm still unflipped? And Delta was more convinced to my SR, not patch's?

[SzmarzLeek]

So you've just made a whole case against Delta but you're not willing to hammer? Why?

Put another way: Mint and Aureal are already voting for him. Who is this case meant to convince- me? Why?? Why not just vote?

Eh, I'm here, but I'd love to have more discussion. Someone to confirm or deny my thoughts on Delta. Some brainstorming. We have the time. Time is in favor of town. It stirs the discussion, discussion means more content to analyze. What if the game doesn't end after Delta's lim? Does Delta have a point regarding Aureal?

There are 4 townies in this game, let's use our minds as it's our strength. Because right now if Delta flips green then I don't know what I'd do. That worries me a bit. Because then we'd be dealing with a very strong scum, who managed to outplay everyone.

Delta isn't running anywhere (although I believe now that situation might be uncomfortable for you, Tom), so let's utilize the time we have. Rush and lack of content benefits scum.

[SzmarzLeek]

I actually love my response. The audience is you, Aureal and Mint. Because we had two pages of discussion after their votes. And Delta made some comments regarding Aureal. I'd love to listen what you think about it. Because Delta says I'm not seeing something obvious. Maybe you are able to.

I don't have 100% confidence, I rarely do during lims. Delta is like 80% scum chance. But what if we find ourselves in that 20% scenario with not much to analyze from d3 because we voted someone out in 24 hours?

[SzmarzLeek]

^ it's for Merlyn

[SzmarzLeek]

It's my bedtime and I read your posts already and eh I don't get the vibes you get from Aureal. I'd love to hear Mint and Merlyn's opinion on your Aureal case. Maybe I need another perspective.

[SzmarzLeek]

I don't like the fact that Aureal just "ayy lmaoed" your case today and went with the vote and are gone now. It's weekend so I guess maybe people are busy. In any scenario, time and discussion benefits the town in a potential d4.

[SzmarzLeek]

Good posts, Aureal. Thank you for these.

Delta's game unfortunately speaks against them the most. That's how you find scum - you need to see who ultimately provided least value for the town. Their patch saving wagons, accidental hammer, shallow reasons for limming people - those could come from a town as individual events, but much less likely in a sum.

I'd like to hear some final thoughts from Merlyn and Mint. Merlyn, is Delta your scumread? Mint, any thoughts regarding the few pages we produced?

[SzmarzLeek]

Oh my God, Merlyn, what you're presenting in this slow d3 is a cautious activity full of questions and lacking any statements or moving the game forward. Maybe you're the scum and you're acting very carefully, to not blow it up since losing your partner?

And you accused my that I'm not voting yet, while you simultaneously do the same, using the same reasons that I do?

Who's the scum? If it's not Delta, then who is it?

[SzmarzLeek]

I'm not sold on this, I'm not sold on that, very careful game you're playing.

If the thread is quiet, that could mean that things good for scum are happening and they're not trying to influence the game, because it moves in a right direction.

There are 5 players left, it's super easy to catch up, there's no excuse to be inactive at this point.

Merlyn is basically DESCRIBING what is happening in the thread. No statements (if there are, they're quite careful), no wondering, no truth seeking.

[SzmarzLeek]

- vote leek
- describe what others have said
- unvote leek
- don't make own statements, keep describing and asking questions

this is just stalling while trying to appear active

[SzmarzLeek]

- Aureal is making a case against Delta
- I analyzed the thread to show why I think Delta is probably scum
- Mint made their own case on Delta
- Delta keeps actively defending themselves and making a case against Aureal

Merlyn: a whole lot of hmms and carefulness without legit truth seeking

no value added to town from Merlyn in d3

[SzmarzLeek]

I've read patchwork and they tried hard to throw Merlyn under the bus. I don't believe Merlyn could be scum judging by that, trying to lim Merlyn that early.

It seems like Merlyn is truly on another page, like Aureal said.

[SzmarzLeek]

With patch trying to lim Merlyn that early*

[SzmarzLeek]

Yeah I already stopped after my patch reread.

[SzmarzLeek]

Yeah I already stopped after my patch reread.

Doesn't it seem weird for Scum!Delta to stop you from forming a wagon on me instead of, you know, hopping on?

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If Delta is scum then what he presented in d3 is the best defense I've ever seen.
1.attacking difficult targets instead of hopping on someone with weaker position to push them into queue,
2. constantly talking like he's sure that the game won't end after d3, mentions future all the time,
3. responding to everything, stirring up the discussion,
4. not trying to change wagons to an easier one,
5. appears to hugely care about town winning the game

compare this to patchwork, who at the end started angryposting, didn't want to respond, threw around a lot of "maybes"

Delta - scummy game but tremendous defense

man, Delta, I hope you're scum so I can congratulate you on such defense

but that game man, I don't know, your game was scummed and I don't mean inaccuracy here, but shallowness of accusations and patch associations

i don't know, mam

[SzmarzLeek]

didn't Mint vote at the beginning of the day?

[SzmarzLeek]

Delta, rest in peace.

Thank you for joining us as a replacement. I hope the game will end with the hammer, so we can all talk in peace and smile.

[SzmarzLeek]

gg

[SzmarzLeek]

Thank you for this journey, I had a lot of fun. Thank you

StD

for moderating it perfectly and spending your time so we can enjoy ourselves.

Deltabreedy

- once again, this d3 thing was a tremendous defense. As I said before, I regret you weren't scum, because that would be the best scum defense I have ever seen. Votes were a bit off, maybe partially of joining as a replacement (thanks for that btw)? It seemed like you were very quick to judge.

iamveryhappy

- happy was quite unlucky, because they got a towny role, which they tried to hide behind trolling, but then they got into an emotional outburst which makes sense now... they didn't want town to lose their tracker. Having a towny role is very stressful, so we should take that into consideration when judging happy's game.

patchwork

- what a brave bus in d1, could have won the game. Defenitely a very ambitious scum, but it's diffucult to maintain such deep game in later stages of the game and it showed.

MintChippo

- I think this was a 9/10 towny game. Never appeared sus. Had good suspicions. Honest towny. I can't wait to see Mint play as a scum, because those in-depth analyses would be insanely difficult to repeat as a scum.

Merlyn

- wow, what a finish! You fought hard til the very end. A lot of brave, spontaneous moves. D3 was definitely a weaker point.

Mewtaph

(SE) - eh, not a lot of effort. Somehow couldn't appear as innocent as jzhenson, despite similiar volume of posting. I cannot see Mew living til Lim or Lose. Such game would be easy to play as scum. I think it was a good d1 lim anyway, because we'd have trouble with reading Mew at later stages of the game.

Black, Aureal

- similiar game, some imperfect towny emotions, mistakes, but good choices at the end. Congratz Aureal with withholding the scum pressure in d4.

SzmarzLeek

- apologies to Delta, Merlyn, happy and patch. It is now easier to see that I got too competetive in this game. I guess I was somewhere in between insensitive and toxic. It benefit me (I had decent reads and I was able to appear green to players), but was it worth it? I don't think so. In my defense, I can assure you this is really a site culture thing. We can play really tough sometimes on my site. Here though, I will have to adjust my playstyle to not make the game unpleasant for others. Take care and see you in future games.

[SzmarzLeek]

you were readings our game, McEndu?