TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame
-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I just want to hear from ythan and andante , consider my vote on in spirit. Maru could be scum tho-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
and maru?In post 3050, Alisae wrote: ok so it's imaginality and andante-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Thoughts on just limming andante?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
It's not happening is it?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
VOTE: imag
E-1-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Apros of nothing, klick says maru is town-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
P sure alisae claimed day one?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I'm fine with it.
P-edit same honestly-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I've never had a TR on the gimli slot, quite explicitly. For anyone to act like it's new today is just silly.
An I claiming?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I'm VT, I picked the neighbours (yes, I know, the slot maru took.) 100% a playstyle thing, I find this game much easier to figure out with someone to talk to away from a big thread-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I think datisi is my strongest tr, but I'm not sure that helps.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
@alisae, you honestly scum read me?
@lld, I really hope you are feeling better and are seeing progress.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I was about to gotcha datisi and say I picked it in their game they ran of this too but apparently I didn't. Weird, past Bella-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Because?
Also, what's that to do the narrative you've been spinning about me and gimli, which is blatantly nonsense?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Klick really hard tr them. I had a wobble with them but gth I think they are town.
I'm not the loudest voice in the thread, alisae, every time I say something I get very kindly told to fuck off, increasingly since day one.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
It's probably a playstyle thing but I've felt like I say something normal and people act like I've got two heads: ceph disagreed with me from basically my first post, noone would ever pick bullet proof, most posts in convo with datisi, mith waggling his 'ive got my eye on you ' finger at me, ythan literally called me bad for....wanting to talk to them? : i'm not in my groove. It's not an issue but I don't think scum reading me for not aggressively pushing something is valid.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I would assume town!datisi neighbours mena every day of the week, honestly?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Reading them in other games together? I can see datisi knowing that talking to mena in private could be really strong.
Ythan is a weird choice, tho-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Somepoint last day phase, before the moth thing. I'm not explaining myself well I think, I'll try again in the morningIn post 3292, mith wrote:
?In post 3288, Bellaphant wrote: mith waggling his 'ive got my eye on you ' finger at me-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Like here fron lld (this isn't an attack/comment on you specifically) 'other more obviously effective choices' just isn't how I approach/think stuff at all, and it leads to me feeling a bit disconnected. I kinda wanna make an old school/new school survivor joke but again, tired.In post 3289, Alisae wrote:
who do you think a town!Datisi neighborizes instead?In post 3287, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
that low in the draft, possibly yes, if they have partners in high drafting positions, more specifically if they are partnered with Ythan who can take cop and be scum cop.In post 3282, Alisae wrote: takes not claims*
it WOULD mean Mena is town, but i just think those neighbourizing choices are super sus over other more obviously effective choices-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I'm clearly just In a mood. I'm trying to be clear and saying I'm not assigning a value judgement to it.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I like thisIn post 3317, Datisi wrote:
hi can you pls explain to me what you consider that town-me does there and why these are bad choicesIn post 3287, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
that low in the draft, possibly yes, if they have partners in high drafting positions, more specifically if they are partnered with Ythan who can take cop and be scum cop.In post 3282, Alisae wrote: takes not claims*
it WOULD mean Mena is town, but i just think those neighbourizing choices are super sus over other more obviously effective choices
others are right tho, i always hood mena. this is not AI. i would hood him even if we were both scum because i'd expect someone to call me out for *not* hooding mena-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Does Titus have anything for me?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
That's what I think, yes, especially by not properly claiming. Come in, muddy the waters and leg it. Alisea positioning around that slot actually makes me question my read on them.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Hi mena I wasn't in the mood last night. Curious to chat.
Alisae, I can't see why you'd town read the slot, or why it flipped your views? For me, the resistance to that slot being wagoned feels massive, a few dead townies had gimli as scummy and like...what about last night felt genuine? It looked like throwing shade around, not claiming properly and then noping out under pressure. The hammer was awful.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
To go on what mena said: the scum team as a whole is doing fairly well, considering the state of the day one wagons and the Dr lim..sacrificing the worsr positioned slot in order to get the Dr lim seems just like good play, honestly?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
My brain tells me to scum read mena but then they keep looking really town.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I basically just want to repeat what datisi is saying? Ythan's done nothing and got overly arsey with me when I tried to have a sorting conversation.
Re:andante, I really dislike the way you are linking 'a red username ' to them being scum .it feels manipulative. Show me what they said that you think feels genuine from last night? I saw a bunch of scatter gun posting, no firm town reads and obfuscation about the hammer and their role.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Self conscious about the hammer, this is Nia at bestIn post 3098, Andante wrote: something tells me mith is maf and I shouldn't have went "wow lots of words, sounds right" ughhh why did I hammer that
Again. The hyperbole makes it scummier thoIn post 3099, Andante wrote: like, scum or not, that was a freaking doc claim, goes against everything i was thinking
I think scum reading me is the only eeas given since she replaced in.In post 3340, Andante wrote:
not gonna lie, I was scum leaning Bella, but wanted to check something, and I agree on mith... obv I'm not the 3rd, but like, why do 2/3 of yours agree with what I was thinking? susIn post 3217, Menalque wrote:
Ironic given that our current solve is exactly Mith/Bella/andyIn post 3208, Alisae wrote: why is mith town
Again, a genuine thought process? It's over hyped Ans feels like someone yelling 'look over there 'In post 3348, Andante wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAH!! All yall were deadset on that lim, it wasn't only on me, it was all "this is the lim, just waiting for andy to catch up" even if I didn't hammer that, I am certain someone else would have. to say I misplayed? I didn't even have the time to actively be here till now, (finals went amazing!!!!) yall have been here, I asked for a catch up, I was given one, byt the person I voted out... man I'm an idiot :/ SORRY IMAGIN!! I GOT THIS TODAY THOUGH. A GAME. LEGGOIn post 3251, Menalque wrote: if Andy is town who horribly misplayed
This is like the fourth post in a row shading me/my claim without really engaging with it? It's also again, their only read.In post 3359, Andante wrote:
So Klick thinks someone is hard town, and barely convinced you to tr someone? Honestly I might SR you more than mithIn post 3281, Bellaphant wrote: Klick really hard tr them. I had a wobble with them but gth I think they are town.
I'm not the loudest voice in the thread, alisae, every time I say something I get very kindly told to fuck off, increasingly since day one.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I don't recognise what you are saying about meta either: I've played once with her when I was scum ans she was in a town hydra with Nancy and she was aggressive in her reads and pushes, so much so that I asked for Nancy to be put back on the phone.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
The towniest thing ythan has done is be rolefished by alisae
P-edit but there's no meat to it. It's not the hyperbole that's the issue on itself, it's...where the dish?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I am starting to question your Alignment, yes. I don't get how we're reading so differently?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I don't want you to but I feel like you are doing little things to manipulate the thread, including like occasionally scum reading me and then talking to me like I'm town?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Also, if I'm town, you are town, ythan is town, who's scum? Apart from mith?
Like my pov datisi and mena are town. My Poe is getting rather tiny.
? Clarify both of those last posts? Then go to sleep-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
What does this meanIn post 3552, Alisae wrote:
This is how Klick plays the gameIn post 3550, Bellaphant wrote: I don't want you to but I feel like you are doing little things to manipulate the thread, including like occasionally scum reading me and then talking to me like I'm town?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I don't think dats is scum mainly for their approach to other slots, including mine.
@dats tho, why ythan?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Sorry, I thought you said you neighbours them?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Hmm, ok.
How do you read me btw?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Pocketing you would be playing to a level I can only aspire to-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Things I believe:
Datisi and mena are town.
Mith having a vig shot tonight is pro town and shouldn't be the lim.
Lld and ythan are not scum together.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Staeg (6): Alisae, Bellaphant, imaginality, Marashu, Rad, Gimli
imaginality (5): mith, Cephrir, Staeg, Datisi, Menalque
Rad: 7: Cephrir, mith, Menalque, Marashu, Datisi, Staeg, Alisae
Wagons at highest I think
Town: ?, ? ?, town Town, ? Unflipped me, Ali, gimli
town: ? Town, town, ? ? Unflipped mith, dats, mena
Town: town, ?, ? ? town Town, ? Mith, mena, days, alisae-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
imaginality (6): mith, Menalque, Datisi, Aliase, Bellaphant, Andante
...fucking everyone.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I don't know what it means that lld and ythan haven't been on a lim yet.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Marashu (4): Lady Lambdadelta, Staeg, Menalque, Cephrir
? Town ? Town
Marashu (4): Staeg, Menalque, Cephrir, Rad
Town , ? Town, town.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Counter to that maru wagon was lld.
Ythan, it'll be after bedtime probably, I can think about numbers while managing the kids, sentences take effort-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Has mena ever been disengaged enough to not know what's going on? They engaged a fair bit with the wagons day one afair-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Also, hi lld, talk to me not about me. You realise that if it's not you, from my pov it basically has to be alisae, who you wanted to vig n1? It would be great if you could try to engage with me.
P-edit mid? I noticed that a lot more from ythan.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
There is a ton of projection here. You saying you'll never do andante hasn't put me off, weirdly.In post 3598, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: This angling they're doing on the remaining cast has no basis of thought behind it, she's saying things to say things and setting up to try and find an elimination she can accomplish today. She was angling on Andante but I just said I'll never do that so she's angling onto one of us and then just onto me if she can get you on board so she can box me out with Andante and not have to listen to my arguments from a town perspective.
Bella's reads make more sense as scum seeking a final elimination than as town trying to solve the game at this point-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
@ythan, if we like wrong today, and mith is town, we get an extra shot at keeping the game where we were, in Melo.
If he's scum, we've lost anyway, basically. So it's overall pro town to keep the slot. It's just mech.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Specifically, lld, I feel like the scum team are doing exactly what you are saying: looking for an easy lim. So...why wouldn't it worry you (or anyone) that suddenly the thread consensus is Bella's weirdly scummy? Like that didn't seem to be the vibe of the thread day one or two, but suddenly we have you, alisae, menna, andante slot, datisi, I think still ythan?
P-edit aren't we in Melo? Can I not count? If we lim him and he's town, sorry. I should've waited for bedtime.
Pp-edit yes.
If he's scum and we don't lim him he can kill twice? But I don't think we are in that world?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Or are we assuming if he's scum he took another ability?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
The positives seems better than the negative.
Also,JJ hiiii.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I should've clarified: I don't see tons of appetite for you to be the lim today, regardless of your alignment. It feels like scum are angling for a gimli slot/Bella show down. If you are scum in that sitch and we mislim, we lose.
If you are scum and we lim you, cool! But that doesn't seem to be where the day is heading.
I'm generally shit at mech, have said it many times. Chatted this through with klick though and my argue thoughts seemed to be fine?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
I realised last night that I thought maru had picked watcher not voyuer (or the othe away round) and datisi was fake claiming for a hot second. And I picked that option! So generally, yeah, shit at mech.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Omg really-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
It's not me; I think I've been right all along.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Also, lld didn't you say that bp was a scum claimMl?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Also just had this ^ convo with klickIn post 3709, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Like...
I've already given my input, so it can't be said I'm hiding anything or dragging my feet.
if you don't give me any incentive over how this is going to help us catch scum vs. possibly is a method to help you direct town to its doom...
then I'd be liable to just tell people not to react and we can sit in impasse until you claim.
tell me why this is helpful. it seems the opposite of helpful.
What you're essentially designing is "yes I do infact have a guilty" which, as long as Mith is town, we're MOSTLY guaranteed not to lose today, but we'd want the 50/50 correct.
The worry is that if you're the bad side of the 50/50, right?
then you're CONFIRMED bulletproof. you will have taken BP and Mith can't shoot you. So in some world, if we have a guilty and we trust mith we should lim you and shoot your guilty.
So again, what does this gain us?-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
Sorry, I was a page beind. But yes, that's my assumption-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
It's silly because I'm guessing who you checked. It's not an answer.
You either have a guilty on andante or lld. Gth it's andante. Id love to have a clear on me but I suspect I'm the nothing.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015
If I'm the clear it looks worse for alisae.-
-
Bellaphant Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7062
- Joined: February 5, 2015