Kemusan - Game Over

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town town town dance dance dance

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What is a kemusan anyway

its the latest dance trend!! big on tiktok!!

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Both fires are town?

Pedit: what even is ligma anyway all the cool kids are talking about it

NO CLUE

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ok pookies who wants to dance

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ill stop with the anime gifs and read the thread now sry

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im 4 pages in and im pretty sure everyone is scum

maybe not bell

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in particular firebringer feels exactly like my one (?) experience of scum firebringer and not really like any of the wide variety of town firebringer playstyles that i have encountered

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but i also do think ffery wasn't passing the vibe check so idk. i don't really have a baseline for ffery so im not sure if that's a good way to read her

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LLD i don't exactly think is scum i think i probably won't be actually trying to sort her yet but she did this kind of highposting vibing as scum in PYP and i had a similar wary feeling about some things there. and i don't really love the std read

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LLD i don't exactly think is scum i think i probably won't be actually trying to sort her yet but she did this kind of highposting vibing as scum in PYP and i had a similar wary feeling about some things there. and i don't really love the std read

you don't even know what the std read is about lol

also I had planned to play this game high regardless of alignment becUss I wanted to play with my friends and not get frustrated at how cliquish dance games get so im here to be like, chill and solve

i can explain std stinky but it probably wont make sense to you unless you open your mind

being chill and solving is good

my mind is very open you can explain if you want

i think rh9 and std are both lightly towny so far fwiw

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also bell is being mean for the sake of sorting which is like probably exclusively a town bell thing. i don't think he thinks to do that as scum

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cabd also not passing the vibe check to me but i have even less baseline there and also probably extenuating circumstances

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I miss cephy

Even though he's literally right next to me

he should have joined :<

tell him i said hi. unless thats illegal talking about ongoing games. im not sure. you're a mod now so you can figure it out

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cabd also not passing the vibe check to me but i have even less baseline there and also probably extenuating circumstances

Tbh one could write like, an entire seven to eight novel saga of the mutual history informing the way Ffery and I are gonna interact this phase and I don't want to like, involve people in our kink, but if you do opt in to knowing you are welcome to ask!

im vaguely familiar having read some past games

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LLD i don't exactly think is scum i think i probably won't be actually trying to sort her yet but she did this kind of highposting vibing as scum in PYP and i had a similar wary feeling about some things there. and i don't really love the std read

you don't even know what the std read is about lol

also I had planned to play this game high regardless of alignment becUss I wanted to play with my friends and not get frustrated at how cliquish dance games get so im here to be like, chill and solve

i can explain std stinky but it probably wont make sense to you unless you open your mind

being chill and solving is good

my mind is very open you can explain if you want

i think rh9 and std are both lightly towny so far fwiw

okay so like, follow me here

i draw town, sadge.png

i think "okay but what if i think like scum would and try to mind meld with the thread and if anyone mind melds me then STINKY"

i see FB, scum instinct says "call them town to position myself for later", STD does it.

stinky

then i see firered, fire AND fire. posting anime gifs.

"call both fires town for memetic value and get in on the take early so people value you as having called it, more positional value"

STD does it

STINKY

RH9 also does it, but sounds worse doing it

MEGA STINKY

i do understand the angle here but i also think that std and rh9 are two of possibly the furthest away players in this list in terms of closeness to you in scum thought process

and doubly i think the behavior is more or less what i would expect from them as town

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i gave actual real effort into putting my thoughts to paper and no one paid attention but the scum who came in to defend hisself =(

i was pondering

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i do understand the angle here but i also think that std and rh9 are two of possibly the furthest away players in this list in terms of closeness to you in scum thought process

and doubly i think the behavior is more or less what i would expect from them as town

this is why i gave it a D+
good work fireisred explaining shit i don't have to and being on my wavelength.
have more town points.

as either alignment you're leaning into it at this point now which is probably effective at being unreadable

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fireisredsir,

Do you make a habit of trying to vibe read players you don't have much experience with?

I've played with you once in Pooky's PYP game about a year ago. I replaced into a scum slot early day 2. You replaced in much later. I was playing a competent scum game until I came down with covid. I think I can be vibe read by players who know me, but it's going to take more experience than one game with me. Especially that game.

in such contexts i have a habit of making the read and then not putting much weight into it which is also what i did here

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I’m sad that I can’t ask FIR what they expect from RH, when RH has posted so little so that they could adjust but FIR might be scum so why am I sad but I want them to explain is because I badly want to understand RH town and distinguish it from RH scum.

Also, if RH can’t read me they can’t read anyone.
*nods*

i think the main thing is that he's like. just. putting stuff out there. no fear. sayin whats on his mind and what he's gonna do

as scum i think he struggles a lot more to think about what he "should" say and the self-consciousness limits the kinds of things that he tends to post

it's not a strong read bc i do also find him fairly hard to get a handle on but i think so far it feels like how he does when he's town

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ffery im curious what your motivation behind 292 was. like what were you hoping to get out of it?

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it just seemed like a dead end because it was pretty much entirely covered already in my post

but i also do think ffery wasn't passing the vibe check so idk. i don't really have a baseline for ffery so im not sure if that's a good way to read her

"ffery not vibing but idk if vibe reads are good bc i don't have a lot of experience with her"
"hey fire, you don't have a lot of experience with me. don't you think vibe reads are a bad approach?"
"see above"

it feels more like wanting to get a thought expressed about how the read should be discounted than like a probe that would actually lead anywhere productive because it's just restating what i already said. idk it just seems oddly lacking in insiciveness

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happy new year! it's the year of (save) the dragon(s)

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Speaking of which, since vibes aren't a big part of your sorting process what data channels do you like to use?

Spoiler: i don't think this is relevant to the game and it's too long so it goes in a spoiler

actually in general vibes are a somewhat big part of my process, particularly early. but i don't think the vibe reads are worth very much if i don't know the person well. i think they can be pretty effective with people i do understand but it's still like a starting point, something that indicates to me that i should look further

i don't think there's really a consistent rubric that i apply to people for the sake of sorting, but i tend to try to look beneath the words on the page to think about the thought process of the person who wrote them. and then weighing up whether there's a possible thought process that makes sense coming from a town brain, and whether there's one that makes sense coming from a scum brain

i would say this is probably my biggest metric for reading someone as evidenced by the fact that i find it very difficult to know how to sort someone if i feel like i don't understand how their brain works. i would also tangentially say that the investigative but never conclusive process of discovering how someone else's brain works is probably the main motivator for me to play mafia at all. it's somewhat rare to find an activity where people put their brain so openly and publicly on display

in practice this results in me looking for actions and posts that stand out as not making sense coming from one alignment in particular, and those tend to form the strongest bases for my reads

i do also like just talking to people and having real time interaction and reading them that way, although im not always confident that it leads to successful results. depends on the situation

and i tend to look at the game/gamestate as a whole and try to think about how scum would want to position in the current state of things, both individually and as a team, and what their goals would be. i probably tend to overestimate the level of coordination that scumteams have. this tends to be most useful in hindsight, rereading the game to see if someone's actions can be viewed in a different light if we assume that they at the time had alignment information that we as town only got later in the game

those are probably the main data channels although also probably not the only ones

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ladies can't ask gents formally we're traditional here

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ig sorta related
not super familiar with a lot of the players here, but i remember bell and i think i played with fireisred (ig this sounds better than "not dog fire")
i think i operate from the baseline assumption that someone is just more comfortable as town than scum, but is there anyone in this list who swings the other way?

varies a lot based on game and my mood. there's definitely a lot of times i'm more comfortable as scum but i was hoping for town in this one for a few reasons

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also heads up im gonna not be around very much this weekend. hopefully

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But I am concerned by how uncharitably you interpreted that post you jumped on.

i find it difficult to understand a town mindset behind making the post and i find it easy to understand a scum mindset behind it

i still don't really see how it's a line of inquiry that would be relevant to my alignment and if it's just for the sake of engagement then it's also strange because it provides very little to actually engage with since it's a complete dead end

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I feel like his scum reads on ffery and Bell may just be for shock value to play into his chaotic town gameplay because it's hard for me to believe that he actually feels that way as they are transparently town to me.

noting this

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I've watched you play in a couple of games, and my sample size trends scum atm. I asked you to self-meta a little because I thought it might confirm or rebut some my impressions from the bleachers, though self-meta is generally not a great data channel. I do feel a little more confident about interpreting your posts, particularly the one we're talking about right now.

this as a mindset makes sense to me, but the reason things felt off to me is that it didn't seem like the post lined up with this. the focus was more on explaining why i shouldn't be reading you that way, rather than on just directly asking me what my data channels are, if that was your goal

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im also going to have hotpot soon !

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Of the unpaired gents so far, I'd most like to see Spiffeh, LavorManos and STD paired.

RCE and Fireisred at the bottom. I don't know what to do with RH9.

im a lady!

why do you townread spiffeh?

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Of the unpaired gents so far, I'd most like to see Spiffeh, LavorManos and STD paired.

RCE and Fireisred at the bottom. I don't know what to do with RH9.

im a lady!

why do you townread spiffeh?

Extreme mind meld last night a la the first and so far only towngame I think I've played with Spiffeh is where it started. His ISO feels so pure. Which is not a word I use to describe my reads, but it applies here.

What are you trying to accomplish in this discussion?

the confidence with which some people are throwing out townreads off fairly shallow things is very disconcerting to me (i think probably partly a playstyle difference idk. different generations and all) and i happened to be already responding to you so i was curious if there was any more depth to the read that i was missing or some player meta knowledge due to familiarity you may have

i think the you/spiffeh thread is interesting but moreso from the other direction. i wanted to get a clearer understanding of it from this angle regardless though

im probably more interested in knowing why skitter townreads him since her entrance thoughts aligned with mine in a lot of ways but thats one place we differ

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tbh at this point, i'm somewhat starting to worry that mafia might panic-accept one of my dance proposals.

why do you think they would be panicked to accept?

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i wanted to see him work through it oh well

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goodnight

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Sure, sorry if someone asked you this already, but what do you think of Skitter and FireisRed?
They seem like the most readable people right now from the simple angle of posting density, but I'm bouncing off their posts when I try to read them.

Gonna be real with you i really didn't think about skitter's alignement yet, there's this weird mental block when i'm just unenthusiastic when getting to her

as for fireis i've got an accumulation of small townpings on them but i'm kinda waiting for her to answer my last thing cause i think that'll allow me to really get an idea of her mindset

i was kind of annoyed by it tbh but maybe i read hostility into it that wasn't intended. it's possible im doing that a lot this game i dunno

i don't really know what to say about it anyway though. i wasn't saying she isn't allowed to townread spiffeh. i just wanted her to talk more about it because 1) if she's town im interested in hearing her thoughts because she knows spiffeh better than i do and 2) if she's scum i think it's useful to have more detailed thoughts on record and 3) what she says may help me determine her alignment. it's fine i guess if she doesn't want to explain her reads. it seems like she wants to be left alone for now. idk. the thing i said about people townreading others weirdly easily wasn't especially about her

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I have to say I’m pretty underwhelmed with my current solve of RCEnigma/SirCakez/Fireisredsir/someone else so I probably need to stop writing people off so early!

i am also extremely underwhelmed

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skitter, would you like this dance?

fireisredsir, would you like this dance?

i would probably accept this although i don't want to cut in front of skitter here

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For repeat dancers: Historically, do some gents wait long to put out invitations? Is there anything generically AI about the pattern/quantity of invites? Do the gents who are ultimately left on the dance floor alone usually put effort in to pair?

generically, i would say probably not, i think it's highly dependent on the player and on their style. in my experience it's mostly just that people who know each other/talk a lot tend to pair up quicker and those who are kind of left on the outskirts of the conversations don't get in the dance as quickly. so it mostly depends on how the rand lands.

there's probably a tendency for scum to insert themselves into the conversation sooner/more actively than they otherwise would, similar to coalition

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cakez got hard bussed out of the the pre-dance in this one, but he did also fight it pretty strongly:

viewtopic.php?t=90239

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right now my general read on this game is that there's a lot of gents who i think are likely to be relatively easy miselims (sorry) who i am currently reading as various strengths of leanings of town

im probably wrong on one, maybe two, but it feels to me like a game where there's 3 scum ladies

i predict at least one instance here where a pair gets run up because of the gent and then flip them and it turns out the lady was the mafia. those are fun

but anyway this also makes the choice of who to leave out somewhat difficult to me. i think for example that enchant is someone ive felt more townpings from than rce, but i also think rce is more likely to become more readable over time. rh i feel townvibes from but they're somewhat tenuous and im not that confident i know how to read him. lavar ive liked a couple things he's said but lower content+unfamiliarity means its difficult to be sure. std i probably feel most strongly leaning town in this moment but he's fooled me a couple times

i think i will want to sort these out more thoroughly when i have time to read and analyze deeply but also the pairs are forming fairly quickly

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people can take who they want from pairings

i am of the opinion the most optimal way to play atm is for me to do ... like next to no input until it's necessary from me especially as we get closer to intermission
which is kind of lame because i WAS looking forward to playing/posting more but i think if i did so now i'd make it a bit harder, especially when people are independently figuring out what they wanna do without the Town Opinion of mine warping what mafia think is best

so go ahead if you want a specific partner, take that partner

what do you think about being the one to be the final choice

is that optimal

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will respond to spiffeh later

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I have to say I’m pretty underwhelmed with my current solve of RCEnigma/SirCakez/Fireisredsir/someone else so I probably need to stop writing people off so early!

i am also extremely underwhelmed

What specifically are you underwhelmed by? Who do you think I should be scum reading?

tbh i wrote a lot and then went back to reread your iso and i think i didn't have the most accurate impression/was tunneled a bit. my impression before was that you were clearing people too easily and for questionable/lazy reasons but there's more caution in the townreads than i thought, and generally the reasoning seems more reasonable

i had already somewhat come around to thinking you weren't scummy for it, since it could just be town with an approach i disagree with, but i think i also disagree with the approach less than i thought i did. overall i think that probably brings you from a scumread back to nullish

i think i've running into a wall a bit, of people who haven't played in a while coming from a significantly different meta and playstyle and it's kind of a mental clash for me that is difficult to see past

but i also haven't really been here and probably have let a couple of frustrations with things color the way im reading posts. so idk maybe it'll get better

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FIR, do you normally keep your reads close to your chest?

i would say it depends, i think when im not asked for them and i don't feel like people necessarily would care to hear them, then i don't tend to share them

some people do the reads close to chest thing for like strategic benefit but i would say that's relatively rare for me. if i do then it's because i want to see what someone does without me having an impact on it. but i don't know if that tends to be effective and i usually end up regretting not having stated thoughts as they occur to me

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ill call HST-Bell , RH9-Ydra two town pairs.
Don't I need 4 for instant wins tho

i agree with this pretty sure

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I’m uncomfortable with how FIR is approaching the game.

But I’ll concede it may just be rl stuff.
I’m trying to see development without prompting them and they aren’t really doing that.

i don't really feel like ive played the game yet aside from briefly in a few moments. ive either been unable to be here or i have not wanted to be here. so i am also uncomfortable with how im approaching this game. but i feel slightly better about it now i guess. and i think once we get to the point of voting ill be better able to develop

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i think i've running into a wall a bit, of people who haven't played in a while coming from a significantly different meta and playstyle and it's kind of a mental clash for me that is difficult to see past

Much empathy for you here, I know I downplay it but essentially myself and a bunch of other 2013/14ers time warped ourselves back into present day and it's probably absolutely infuriating to figure out how we communicate.

i did know that was going on and intentionally insert myself into it because i thought it sounded fun, so it's not a surprise, but it is still an adjustment

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I am actually v interested in ur reads

awful readlist incoming

town, probably:
[bell]

towny but im not sure i know how to read them:
[rh9, std, HST]

towny??:
[ffery]

not nearly enough data but slightly lean towny:
[skitter]

functionally null but little whiffs of towniness:
[cakez, enchant, lavar]

nullish maybe a little lingering scumlean:
[spiffeh]

not nearly enough data but slightly lean scummy:
[LLD, cabd, gypyx, rce]

kinda scummy:
[firebringer]

i don't think i would necessarily say that firebringer is my strongest scumread but that may be because im not sure that i have a solid scumread anywhere. previously it was spiffeh for a while but now im less sure on that

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Can u talk more abt the lld/cabd/gypyx/rce row?

LLD: i don't think she's done much that's readable so far, but the few things i have seen ping more scum than town. im wary of some of her early posts in a way that's difficult to put into words. one of the most compelling things of the early game for me was 272, because it is scumreading std for positioning based on an assumption of firebringer town. 296 i find really sounds like scum!her. in general i would say a lot of her posts towards firebringer feel like she knows he's town (the discussion around him insta-leaving didn't really feel like it was taking into account the possibility of a) him potentially being scum, or b) him being a troll, both of which were on my mind while reading it). this is also kind of interestingly directly in conflict with my finding firebringer individually scummy. however since they're paired i think it sums up to me being content with them not lasting

cabd: this is definitely more on the "low data" side since there's not really much content yet, but their approach to the game has felt pretty positional so far, especially in the places that they choose to share reads. and some of posts just seemed overly fabricated to me (148, 191, 509) but that's possibly a personality/style thing. i think for me this is just a "feels like they positionally could be scum, and there's no reason to townread yet" rather than a direct scumread

gypyx: i think she's had the sort of crowd-pleasing vibes that feel slightly more to me like scum who wants to be on people's good side than town who's trying to solve the game. this is one of those where i feel bad for scumreading her which tends to deter me but also historically means it's more likely to be correct

rce: i had basically zero read on rce until i went to make the readlist and had to go read his iso and i do think it just feels kind of... limp. i think the one point i would make in his favor is that as a gent i would kind of expect him to be more motivated to push himself forward and not get left out as scum

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Has anyone actually had any real success at reading enchant consistently?

i have had a few times where i felt reasonably confident in enchant being town and was correct. i don't think they're unreadable

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Has anyone actually had any real success at reading enchant consistently?

i have had a few times where i felt reasonably confident in enchant being town and was correct. i don't think they're unreadable

how do u feel about enchant this game?

ok i had in my brain that there were things that i felt were towny from enchant but i reread iso and there's basically nothing actually

807 and 808 are like a tiny bit towny coming from enchant imo but thats like it

so idk actually i think id most prefer to leave enchant out right now. they were way townier in new years dance (and did actually end up getting paired at the end): viewtopic.php?t=90239&user_select%5B%5D=35064

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I am actually v interested in ur reads

not nearly enough data but slightly lean scummy:
[LLD, cabd, gypyx, rce]

kinda scummy:
[firebringer]

i don't think i would necessarily say that firebringer is my strongest scumread but that may be because im not sure that i have a solid scumread anywhere. previously it was spiffeh for a while but now im less sure on that

I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?

in my experience, scum will claim this all the time in dance games because they know that people expect only town will do this. i think generally in dances there ends up being too many people who say this sort of thing (some of them being town) for it to be reasonably held accountable. especially when there's what you might call "power pairings", it's almost a given that people will make that sort of threat, town or scum. it doesn't really affect my read on them

in new years dance which i linked earlier, me and ydra paired both saying that we weren't going to let the other endgame, and she was scum (and she did leave, which is obviously rare, but still)

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I can read Enchant

Can you? Can you REALLY though?

100% Accuracy.

But right now is not game about being suspicious or not, it's about being likeble.


Previous game where "i was correctly read as town", only reason i was paired because cakes was way worse (somehow), and even then, i got scammed and left the dance late.

ok but even your defeatism there was also like way townier of a mindset. and there were people who read that correctly

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Can’t believe I’ve never asked this.
Does FIR like being scum?
I’m ignoring their scummy.

488. in general, absolutely yes, but there's times i'd rather be town

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For me the spiffeh thing has less to do with how i think he'd behave as scum, and more to do with some of his recent posting, namely:

- kinda don't understand his gypyx trajectory, or how he became that confident in town-her
- cabd declaring them a high confidence tvt pair made me go ... huh?
- ffery townread almost feels white-knight-y
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i do agree with all of those points. i don't think i directly said this, but i felt like him saying in 495 that firebringer's scumread of ffery was for "chaotic shock value" because ffery was obviously not scum was really fascinating because i think it was a relatively common read of the thread from town to find ffery's early game stiff. so for his read to deviate that much felt like it either came from having different information (knowing she's town), or from increased familiarity with her. but bell is familiar with her and did read the stiffness and i think bell is town

i did start to wonder at some point whether scum would be actually less likely to go against the grain so obviously but i might have been overthinking it

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i think my reads on rh9 and enchant both just tanked

why rh9?

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Okay, so why did you super want to be town this game and what are you aiming to accomplish this game?

i like playing scum in strong playerlists but moreso with people i know well, and there were enough big voices in this game that i knew of but don't know personally that i think i would naturally be on the outskirts of a lot of conversations in a way that makes things not flow as well for scum!me. and just personal mood i guess, felt more in a solving mood than a manipulating one. i also knew id be busy for the start which doesn't matter much as a town lady but matters a lot for control as scum.

i am aiming to accomplish having a good time and winning the game im not really sure what you mean

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it's a dance game and i wanted to dance

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i was also just in a very good mood at the time for unrelated reasons

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how do u feel about enchant this game?

ok i had in my brain that there were things that i felt were towny from enchant but i reread iso and there's basically nothing actually

807 and 808 are like a tiny bit towny coming from enchant imo but thats like it

so idk actually i think id most prefer to leave enchant out right now. they were way townier in new years dance (and did actually end up getting paired at the end): viewtopic.php?t=90239&user_select%5B%5D=35064

I get the feel that ur backtracking from an enchant townread that you never rlly declared in the first place

And ur post sorta feels all over the place with u first saying there's basically nothing towny from enchant, then quoting two minimally AI posts as towny, and then finally saying that you prefer enchant to actually be the one left out

this feels very weirdly uncharitable

i have expressed that there were things i found towny from enchant (1200, 1353), but even if i hadn't, why is it scummy to show a progression from a read that hadn't been previously stated?

and "all over the place" is a nothing statement when it's like very clear that i am pointing out that the only things i see as towny from enchant add up to very little and so therefore there's no reason to townread them. the three things you are framing as different are all along the same line of thought

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i find that post shockingly bad actually. feels very much like forcing a read

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i think fireisred posting style reads very different than his town game.
It reads kind of like more for an audience than it is to explain thoughts/reads. I think if he was posting his thoughts in a townie way it would sound quite a bit different.

hear it sounds almost diplomatic in the way he posts.

are you scum with lavar

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i think fireisred posting style reads very different than his town game.
It reads kind of like more for an audience than it is to explain thoughts/reads. I think if he was posting his thoughts in a townie way it would sound quite a bit different.

hear it sounds almost diplomatic in the way he posts.

are you scum with lavar

don't believe u scumread me bro

not very strongly but your timing felt weird

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yes i would agree i didn't have a solid reason to townread enchant, it was a slight vibe thing, and when i went to investigate since you asked, i reassessed

i don't really get what about that is something you think is more likely to come from scum

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Also if I'm scum here i don't see the value in forcing a scumread on an unpaired lady

hmm maybe true

[fireisredsir]

do you have any thoughts on who should be left out, enchant?

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Actually fact fire accept this argument dumber


Fire is mafia

Yes

cheeky. classic

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I did want to ask, who did you want to pair with FIR?
I don’t think you’ve mentioned it.
I remember you being pretty in love with Cephrir last dance game and spent some time nurturing that read.

i was bewitched under his scum powers

i think if i came to a more confident townread on any of the remaining then i would be okay pairing with them

tbh i wasn't in a rush to pair with any of the gents, i feel relatively neutral about the prospect of dancing with most of them

i kinda wanted to accept std's offer but it seemed like he asked skitter first and i didn't want to be rude

im not in a rush to decide right now though

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unlucky

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of who's left? no

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i think skitter is my second strongest townread now

not really as a reaction to the last few posts, more the earlier ones

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idk i think if LLD is scum there probably is scum in rh9/enchant

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I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

i don't think she as scum would gain that much for insisting that there's scum in there and we have to lim them. especially when people bop her so often, she's just kind of burning cred for not much reason

if she were trying to save a scum lavar/rce, again i don't think that's a super likely track because her saying this is pretty unlikely to do that much to influence the people who actually have a choice in who lives and dies (me, cakez, ydra)

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I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

How would you like us to proceed? A no elimination?

which take on my worldview is scummier, do you think

firered for ignoring my whole solving process only to come in and accuse me of bussing with no real backup to the claim or flips

or skitter for chainsaw defending rh9/enchant while accusing me of chaining eliminations when again there's no flips and no chaining going on

i didn't say you're scum for it. i just think if you are scum then you aren't doing it for the goal of yeeting townies

if anything i was disagreeing with a reason to find you scummy for it

[fireisredsir]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

i don't think she as scum would gain that much for insisting that there's scum in there and we have to lim them. especially when people bop her so often, she's just kind of burning cred for not much reason

if she were trying to save a scum lavar/rce, again i don't think that's a super likely track because her saying this is pretty unlikely to do that much to influence the people who actually have a choice in who lives and dies (me, cakez, ydra)

So you think as scum here i'm more likely to bus people than not in this situation.

Except if I have a known shelf life already, if I'm scum here wouldn't it be more prudent to just remove as many townies as possible before I have to shuffle off this mortal coil?

your logic doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but if it means you want to help me kill these slots, CHOO CHOOO

ALL ABOARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

that's true, i didn't really take into account firebringer. i am not taking it for granted that he's going to leave but i suppose if you are then that's a fair point

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im pretty sure they've thought of it lol

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im also pretty sure it won't happen

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i don't think the possibility is nearly as concerning as LLD does but we probably value different things

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I actually think enchant might be town here but don't feel like arguing it with LLD.

Also why is everyone townreading Gypyx, I am going to be honest i am just trusting everyone who says Gypyx is town so i haven't really thought of the slot

i think a lot of people are not townreading gypyx, who is everyone

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is diplomacy a scum tell of fireisred.
This feels totally different than any firered town game I know of

im starting to think you have me mixed up with someone else lol

everything ive ever said in my life has been for an audience and i am diplomatic to an unhealthy degree

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yeah i just thought it was weird to have that take now when most of the discussion lately has been more of scumleans

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house of dragons i knew everyone's alignments but i was town

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:<

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hmmm

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why?

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ill pair up tomorrow morning i am somewhat conflicted

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assorted vague thoughts. content warning, anyone who is uncomfortable seeing undeveloped thought processes and general lack of conclusions please look away now:

- i don't really like hammering, ive only really done it a handful of times, so this is probably harder for me than it reasonably should be. making final decisions is difficult and i keep thinking "but what if". i also don't really like holding things up and everyone waiting on me though so ill choose soon

- i am not particularly excited about the prospect of pairing with either lavar or enchant. sorry. which makes this not super easy to choose

- in my earlier days i thought that both of these slots were likely town and they've both kind of dropped into feeling somewhat scummy to me. how ever if i take a step back and look at the general gamestate vibes i think my gut would tell me that there isn't anyone who actually majorly cares who lives or dies here

- i think i would be pretty willing to jump towards the option of voting enchant if again i found anything at all towny about their play. the only case for enchant town is "would care more if they're scum about to be left out" which is nebulous and imo not necessarily applicable to enchant

- i don't really think the lavar post was a slip although i tend to discount such things, but the mindset behind it is still weird. if he scumreads me im not sure why he would need to change his read to a townread in order to want to pair with me. i guess if im being generous i could believe that he wants to, as town, trick me, his scumread, into thinking that he won't instaleave me so that i will pair with him over enchant and then he has the power to leave me if he still scumreads me. i might me talking myself into thinking it could be a town mindset. because if he knows im town then he just has to look towny to me, he doesn't have to convince me that he won't leave. however he also might just be playing it more straightforward and trying to appeal to me

- enchant being like "nah fire is maf and will never ever pick me anyway" is like on a surface level actually probably harder to see as a scum mindset and ironically makes me want to pick them. it's possible they would have predicted that reaction. it's possible they have just accepted their death regardless of alignment. i think though that they're correct that if i were scum and both of them are town i pretty much would always want to pick lavar here

- if i take into consideration the factor of "if they're both town, who am i more likely to find as town?" i am also conflicted lol. lavar as a playstyle feels like one id be more able to read over time, but enchant also can be somewhat polarized, and if they're town and decide they actually feel like playing the game at some point then i think id be relatively likely to find them

[fireisredsir]

idk

ill choose in like an hour or so

if anyone would like to influence me please feel free i am very influencable thanks

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yeah i meant people caring in the sense that they have information that one of the flips would be a different color than the others

i agree people have expressed opinions but none of those really give me that vibe

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why do you think that i should be convinced that they are both town

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why do you think that i should be convinced that they are both town

So at this point u should be figuring out who u should most easily be able to sort and pick them, but your not doing that.

i am literally doing this ?

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i have been reading lavar past games to see how sortable i think he is

which tbh wasn't very useful because he hasn't played that much or very recently

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do u think ur going to gain confidence on enchant

like i have said multiple times already, i have found enchant as town successfully before and felt reasonably confident about it so i think it's possible

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i understand not reading my posts bc they're not very interesting but don't just make up what you think they say

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i think by definition most of us aren't making it to endgame

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also i will say like 80% of it being a hard choice is just my inability to commit and make a decision. rationally i agree it doesn't matter that much and thinking about it more isn't going to help probably

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can we go back and leave rce out

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enchant, i will dance with you

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seems like a bad idea to me ngl

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same

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well done to town in the final 4!

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i like the idea that enchant left as soon as he saw firered in the pt say hi to him

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