Open 879: Fire and More Fire [game over]

[Merlyn]

I recognize everyone but Meuh and Cook

VOTE: Meuh no one recognizes them, must mean something

[Merlyn]

i don't recognize anyone here. i've been bumping my head a lot unfortunately

let's try and coordinate our posting while high this game sky

[Merlyn]

Just a heads up, there was a crazy wind storm in my city last night and power is out everywhere. It must have messed with my phone service provider because I can't even connect to 5G at my apartment. There are estimates my power will be out for several days so I'm not really sure what to expect here. Either way I'll catch up when I'm able to get internet at home

Jeez, hope you're okay Black!

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Cook

sheeping bingle

VOTE: cook

sheeping ausuka

Wow you're kinda playing with fire here

This kind of pings me towards Ausuka tho on my first read of 60. On my second read 60 pinged me as well. Third time I read 60 it didn't ping me as much but the fourth time I read it I was pinged again.

VOTE: Ausuka

What pings you about it?

[Merlyn]

she does not know laughing crying emoji

VOTE: invis gatekeeping knowledge

[Merlyn]

Counter counterpoint: skygazer is a compulsive liar, so that obvious means she can’t be scum.

counter counter counterpoint: there are two skygazers, and one only tells the truth and one only lies

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Merlyn

Semi-serious, I don't claim to have any sort of meaningful read here but there are a few things I don't like.

Okay, like what?

[Merlyn]

(PAGETOPPP)

[Merlyn]

To answer the "why Merlyn" questions:

I recognize everyone but Meuh and Cook

VOTE: Meuh no one recognizes them, must mean something

This isn't a big deal but for some reason I can't express it seemed more "forced" than the other random votes, and also a bit like picking on the player you perceived as least experienced.

she does not know laughing crying emoji

VOTE: invis gatekeeping knowledge

Really dumb reason for a vote and looks like going through the motions of voting for things you think you ought to find suspect instead of things that actually are.

they were both joke votes, I was just being silly since we were still in RVS

[Merlyn]

Howdy all.

Gonna read up shortly.

Oh, HERE WE GO

[Merlyn]

For the record, while I do still consider this Mostly an RVS vote, I also don't take putting her at E-1 lightly, and have a small seed of reasoning behind it.

what is that reasoning?

If I were ready to share it, I would have done so with the vote. For now, just know that there Is reasoning.

suspicious but i'll buy it

I think I get it

i'm missing something

she does not know laughing crying emoji

I like this back and forth on both ends, for Invisbility more than for Cook though

I'm not sure why more for invis

[Merlyn]

Bingle keeps a case on every player locked in a vault as a contingency plan for if any of them go rogue

I believe this, like Batman having plans to kill all the Justice League if they go crazy

[Merlyn]

if anyone wants to guess how many shots of vodka i've had i'll give you my vote

None, you're allergic and it's tequila shots

[Merlyn]

osuka reminds me of confident town players trying to emulate their playstyle as scum but not actually believing the bullshit they're saying
Reminds me a lot of Baltar in this game actually viewtopic.php?t=90886
VOTE: osuka

i would ask if youve never seen me play but i know for a fact you have, so can we get the bullshit "oh osuka sounds like a dick" out of the way and actually give a reason why you think my role pm is red?

does this happen a lot

it happened the last game i played, with none other than meuh, in the thread which is conveniently linked in 171

I think it is just RUDE but not scummy

yes, agreed, being a bit of dick is NAI. In fact I lean town for Osuka, I like the push on towwl. VOTE: Drew Doc, one of these days you actually do have to be scum when I try to kill you

[Merlyn]

hi i saw a replacement happen

what should i know about the state of the game as it is right now

georgebailey

[Merlyn]

What's the reason for the Bingle wagon again?

[Merlyn]

hi i saw a replacement happen

what should i know about the state of the game as it is right now

People are complaining about mech talk when there is no mech talk. I brought up the possibility that scum was signaling each other and the pushback is that while what I think ausuka did has scum value and ausuka has stated she doesn’t think town would punish her for doing the thing with scum value, it is unreasonable for me to think ausuka would do the valuable thing that shouldn’t be punished as scum.

i should clarify; what im talking about isnt really mechtalk, its what typically takes mechtalk's place in a not-especially-mechanically-heavy setup, and thats very subjective theorycrafting discussed in a very objective sense about what to expect from each alignment in a given setup. its almost always distracting, annoying, self-indulgent at best and scum-motivated at worst. this kind of d1 discussion typically starts with scum in my experience and usually succeeds in distracting town discussions from real scumhunting.

I do think mech talk (or whatever we're calling it here) can be performative, makes scum look busy and helpful while not actually contributing much. But I thought that was Bingle's thing, like he comes into a game he's gonna talk mech.

[Merlyn]

hi i saw a replacement happen

what should i know about the state of the game as it is right now

People are complaining about mech talk when there is no mech talk. I brought up the possibility that scum was signaling each other and the pushback is that while what I think ausuka did has scum value and ausuka has stated she doesn’t think town would punish her for doing the thing with scum value, it is unreasonable for me to think ausuka would do the valuable thing that shouldn’t be punished as scum.

i should clarify; what im talking about isnt really mechtalk, its what typically takes mechtalk's place in a not-especially-mechanically-heavy setup, and thats very subjective theorycrafting discussed in a very objective sense about what to expect from each alignment in a given setup. its almost always distracting, annoying, self-indulgent at best and scum-motivated at worst. this kind of d1 discussion typically starts with scum in my experience and usually succeeds in distracting town discussions from real scumhunting.

I can see where you're coming from. Python did it in Fire & Ice and he was scum. I don't really think this is normally the case though but I could be wrong. I just feel like people that enjoy mech like talking about mech regardless of alignment

I'm getting town vibes from Bulge here

Just to muddy the waters here, I saw Python do it twice and they were town both times

[Merlyn]

But I thought that was Bingle's thing, like he comes into a game he's gonna talk mech.

Yeah this is kinda what I was thinking

Well okay, why are you voting him then

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Ausuka

Looked through her iso and there is literally nothing to townread, go look at it yourself.

I do like the way she pushed towwl. I don't think it's literally nothing

[Merlyn]

I know my posts are good but reading them four times seems a bit excessive

VOTE: towel

I am a big believer in omgus theory

VOTE: towel

I am a big believer in omgus theory

How serious are you here?

I think the whole "i read it four times" thing is pretty performative, and also like 'the joke is actually posturing to seem reasonable' thing seems p stretchy

she responds to somebody sheeping her as "playing with fire" when the title of this game characterizes the mafia as fire.

Hmm ok

VOTE: skygazer

I think this qualifies as a push.

[Merlyn]

Merlyn, granting arguendo that that qualifies as a push on towwl, what do you like about that push?

I like that it's on someone I found scummy

[Merlyn]

Sorry but glaceon is better

Agreed, Ausuka can be town

[Merlyn]

Merlyn, granting arguendo that that qualifies as a push on towwl, what do you like about that push?

I like that it's on someone I found scummy

Did you also like that it was a blatant OMGUS with reasoning after the fact and that there was literally no follow through?

I'm okay with a little OMGUSing actually, sometimes the person voting you is actually scum. As for follow through...I take the 'hmm...ok, new vote' as finding the answer okay, and moving on for now, but not being fully satisfied. I think it's pro town to seek to push more folks in D1 rather than tunnelling.

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Meuh

I’ll probably do a readslist tonight.

Pedit: I think both Meuh and merlyn are defending ausuka much more strongly than anything ausuka’s done merits, FWIW.

Yeah but, but it's not really whether Ausuka deserves to be defended because she's posting so town, it's that the arguments being made against her are full of holes.

[Merlyn]

It makes sense for you not to remember but Meuh coming in with "yeah what" implies she doesn't remember either and I'm not sure why she would expect to remember something like that? It just reads as defensive

I was also in that game, and luckily enough I was ISOing Ausuka there when making the cyclical post to make sure I hadn't imagined Ausuka's 1v1 tendency and Ausuka's spiciest early 1v1 in that game was with... Skygazer, which doesn't really click with the idea of Skygazer WKing her

How did you know what game Skygazer was referring to?

Inference

Meuh, why would you infer that Sky is referring to the game you three were in together if she wasn't white knighting her in that game?

[Merlyn]

My heart still says Drew, but I'll also take Cook or Black.

May compromise on Bingle, but I'd rather not yet.

Never voting for either of the 'sukas or Firebringer today, barring some wacky developments.

Whenever I've read a Drew post so far I just think "that sure is a Drew post" and then move on with very marginal changes of my perception of him
Probably doesn't help that his most substantial posting has revolved around the signaling stuff and that entire discussion's just went over my head

I just want my posting to become a site meme, like even if someone else posts like me.....'Not sure why Meuh is Drew Posting here' lol.

And I guess Umlaut and I are in each other's whiskey pocket because I also don't get the case on Bingle, clearly I am fine with yeeting Ausuka.....don't feel as great about a Cook compromise though, seems too policy-ish.

The trouble is I never know a Drew Post until I've seen one, so I don't know how to craft one ahead of time. It's basically like that guy on the Supreme Court who said 'I don't know how to define what is pornography but I know it when I see it.'

And I actually agree with you on the Cook thing. I don't understand why she's come up several times, over, say Bella for the same reason.

[Merlyn]

It makes sense for you not to remember but Meuh coming in with "yeah what" implies she doesn't remember either and I'm not sure why she would expect to remember something like that? It just reads as defensive

I was also in that game, and luckily enough I was ISOing Ausuka there when making the cyclical post to make sure I hadn't imagined Ausuka's 1v1 tendency and Ausuka's spiciest early 1v1 in that game was with... Skygazer, which doesn't really click with the idea of Skygazer WKing her

How did you know what game Skygazer was referring to?

Inference

Meuh, why would you infer that Sky is referring to the game you three were in together if she wasn't white knighting her in that game?

Because
1. I had already brought up this game multiple times so referencing it would make more sense than referring to another game
2. Scum Skygazer/town Ausuka is a specific enough scenario that it narrows down the possibility of it being a different game a lot
3. Skygazer was responding to me, so it'd make sense for him to refer to that game and to explicitly state if he wasn't
4. Pretty sure Skygazer only recently returned to the site and as such wouldn't have an extensive pool of recent games to have WKed Ausuka in
5. 507 very heavily implies that there isn't another game that I'm not aware of

I can't decide if this feels like too much explaining or not

[Merlyn]

I can't decide whether you should live or die

same, girl, same

[Merlyn]

Hope you're ok Bingle!

I'll be fine. I just made the questionable decision of buying a fruit cup from their grab-n-go because I didn't have time for lunch and have been paying for it. Thanks for the thoughts though!

ugh! food poisoning is the worst, feel better soon

[Merlyn]

I'm very meh about you right now. Of the three wagons you're still the one I'd pick but I'm not as confident as I'd like to be. It's probably time for a readslist if I can summon up the energy.

[Merlyn]

Regarding IC: I generally think that letting the person with the role decide what to do is the best way to go about it and I don't feel particularly inclined to push them towards doing anything, especially since discussing it in of itself I think makes the role weaker

I second this, at least in D1

[Merlyn]

re: Bingles question about Meuh. I don't have any previous games with her so I have nothing to compare to, so I'm only going off what I can read in this game. I did find the interaction odd, which is why I questioned Meuh about it. I do kind of feel like her answer could be a 'protest too much thing'. But I also feel like I agree with a lot of her other posts and thought process. I also agree that she has been showing attempts to solve. Ultimately I have a slight townlean there.

[Merlyn]

oh and hiya sheep!

[Merlyn]

Okay, here's my readslist:

Spoiler: Wall O'Text Incoming

Osuka- town. I like the push on towl/Drew, and I’ve found that I tend to agree anytime they write ‘????????????’ about a post. I also don’t believe they were dumbtelling when they forgot the game setup.

Ausuka- town. Her argument and visible frustration with Bingle’s POV read genuine to me. Also some good questioning like in 607640.

The Bulge- townlean. Bulge laid out their case on Bingle very clearly and I can see their process in it, I find this authentic. It is looking a little tunnely but I don’t scumread a tunnel.

Firebringer- townlean. I may not agree with the Bingle case, but I think it’s an authentic case that FB actually believes.

Bingle- slight townlean. I don’t agree with the Ausuka case but I appreciate the case they made. The main reason I lean town though is bc his wagon is not a good one.

Meuh- ….town??? the slot I’m least certain of. But when I read her ISO I feel like the thing that pinged me is one thing vs. a lot of posts I agree with.

Invisibility- I lean slight town here. Viz has put her money where her mouth is and voted when things ping her, then returned to the bingle vote. The thing that keeps me from placing her higher is that I don’t know why she’s sheeping firebringer, and when people have asked she’s only made jokes about it. I mean I giggled at the jokes, but I don’t like that there’s no reason.

Sheepsaysmeep- null, will have to see more to know

Black- null. She’s asking good questions, I like her boldness with her votes. I have heard she’s really good at looking towny while scum but I have no personal experience with that, and I don’t want to fall down the WIFOM hole. The biggest thing that gives me pause here is the weird read Bella gave about her.

Skygazer- null, leaning scum. My genuine like of Sky makes me want her to be town, but the iso is pretty much all jokes. The one thing they’ve done for game-solving was the Auskua white knight thing, but she hasn’t followed up with any thoughts on what came from that.

Umlaut- slight scumlean. This is such a flip for me, I’ve been reading Umlaut as town for most of the game, but in ISO I realized their Ausuka vote is still based on this post 407 and they’ve never updated or revised it. I don’t like jumping on the cook wagon- the cook wagon is dookie.


Doctor Drew- Slight scumlean. I didn’t love towel’s posts but I see that Drew hasn’t really done anything to ping me. The signaling madness is very classic Drew to me, and he’s done it as town in every game I’ve been in with him. The thing that keeps me from moving him higher is the Whiskey Pocket, “I like Umlaut and I like Bingle” is not a good reason to sheep to me. I mean, I like you and that doesn’t mean I think I should automatically sheep you.


Radical Rat - leaning scum. I actually had this general vibe that they were town, but when I ISO’d I couldn’t figure out what led me to think that. They say their vote on Drew is because they’ve taken FB’s case against Bingle and repurposed it to Drew? 429 I also find the early compromise lim talk and the cook vote to be dookie.

Bellaphant-scumlean. It’s a small ISO, but I think her saying that the Black ‘wagon’ was bad is so odd considering there was no wagon and I really didn’t like her answer to Ausuka’s question in 631. I have heard the exact opposite about Black than what she posted here, and I notice Black has asked about it too with no response as of yet.

So yeah VOTE: Bella

[Merlyn]

Don't be a hater because I am not sheeping you Merlyn.

If there are players that I like, and that I feel somewhat confident are not scum, there is a decent chance I will sheep them, at least for a bit.

Also you just lost your opportunity to be a part of the Whiskey Pocket

Well jokes on you bc I prefer bourbon

[Merlyn]

Don't be a hater because I am not sheeping you Merlyn.

If there are players that I like, and that I feel somewhat confident are not scum, there is a decent chance I will sheep them, at least for a bit.

Also you just lost your opportunity to be a part of the Whiskey Pocket

Well jokes on you bc I prefer bourbon

I have some bad news for you then......

Also, Sheep is town.....and I forget who they even replaced!

I had to google that. Is everything whiskey??!?!

Why is Sheep town?

[Merlyn]

I'm on mobile so no quote surgery, but accusing me of repurposing Firebringer's case to point to Drew is just a blatant misrepresentation. If indeed you were ISOing me, you should have seen that I had already held that sentiment well before Firebringer made his post about Bingle, and my response to it was just an attempt to restate it more plainly.

I know that you voted Drew in 258 and later said it was about signalling (well about making his case in signalling in bad faith), but I don't see where you made case against him?

[Merlyn]

Well poop. Now I'll never know what the heck she was talking about wrt my scum meta

Demand answers from her in the next game you both play in in your rvs vote

[Merlyn]

Looking at the lead wagons, I'd rather lim Bingle than sheep. I guess. A Sheep lim would give so little info. But I hate lims that the best reason is 'we'll get a lot of info when you die!'

[Merlyn]

I feel like I've wandered into a bizarre land where everyone speaks a language just slightly different from English. I'd be fine with Drew, cook/sheep, SkyG, Meuh lims atp. I still think ausuka/meuh makes a lot of sense as a pair, and I'm pretty baffled by any townread on either of them. I'm vaguely feeling better about Merlyn from engagement with her. Umlaut feels town in the exact same way he did as scum in Coalition, in that he's being reasonable and actually makes sense, which makes me paranoid. Not a D1, but don't let him near XLO if I'm the lim today.

Can I ask you to go look at why I townread Ausuka and say why it's baffling, though?

[Merlyn]

I omitted the reads wall, mostly because the spoiler stopped the cntrl f but also because the explanation there made sense to me.

but that's not fair, dammit, you can't omit the one I actually put thought into!

The rest-
You are right about the push, I recognize it was a small thing. It was also pretty early in the game though so I'm kind of good with noting small things early.

Let it be known that I do not actually town or scumread anyone on their pokemon preference, I just like glaceon. I judge them for it, but not townread or scumread them.

The holes thing is going to be longer to write about but I will tomorrow.

[Merlyn]

My alchohol is decent though. I've got a bottle of Balvenie Doublewood on my desk right now. (#Scotchclub)

Well then seems like we have a solid Whiskey Pocket between you, Umlaut, and myself(Merlyn is still out).

If you have some Lagavulin I may have to vote you though.

When I form my own Tequila pocket you can't join (I KNOW tequila can't be whiskey too)

[Merlyn]

Probably with GeorgeBailey

[Merlyn]

(and it's not square not to drink!)

[Merlyn]

Bingle- slight townlean. I don’t agree with the Ausuka case but I appreciate the case they made. The main reason I lean town though is bc his wagon is not a good one.

what do you mean by not a good one? you townread everyone on the wagon, so even if you think the reasoning is poor i dont see how that translates into a town lean on bingle. that read only makes sense to me if you believe the wagon to be scum-driven

I actually think town can also make crappy wagons

[Merlyn]

I don't like Merlyn testing the waters here

Just saying what I thought. The explanation makes sense, but it also seems a bit of an overexplanation. Here's a question for you, why would I need to 'test the waters' instead of just...asking others what they thought?

also don't like Merlyn seemingly setting herself up to vote

Eh? The deadline is looming

[Merlyn]

I think ppl are worried about sky being limbait and that's understandable but some of the things she's actually said while here pinged me

Obviously the joke about meuh, uh, kind of felt like it was meant to pile on the pressure against meuh at an opportune time. At the start of the game I thought skygazer's "oh please revote I really want to e-1" was like slightly performative on the note of 'scum wouldn't do something blatantly scummy' - which is *usually* a point I'm fine making myself, but in this instance skygazer ust kinda felt like she was trying to get in on the 'being towny' action and I know from this game she is pure chaos as scum anyway; for example she claimed detective who checked a claimed vigilante

(Also I think in times where it looks difficult for any elimination to go through eliminations on players like sky who haven't posted a lot are easier to achieve because there's little resistance - sorry sky! I think sometimes people are worried that this sort of 'compromise lim' is more likely to hit town, and that's usually somewhat fair - although I've seen it hit scum before and I think a lot of the time scum just don't want to go out of their way to protect their partners - but like, in this game half of the scumteam don't know if sky is scum or not, I don't think that applies here)

Also like, to be clear I have no doubt that sky is genuinely busy and would not be hyperposting as town and this is not about that, but I think the brand of post where you're like "I promise to catch up/give content soon" is like somewhat more likely to come from mafia? Iirc she did that quite a bit in the game we were mafia together and someone called her out on it. She played in a game I modded as town, where her activity was sort of spotty and I think she made similar comments once or twice, but it didn't feel like she was struggling in the way she is in this game, if that makes sense.

I also think when i was scum with her, she kinda fell behind in a semi-similar way giving not many reads, and in the mafia PT she said it was a combination of being genuinely busy and being cautious to make posts in case they are scummy, and this does sort of feel like that.

I do actually think she stuff she has posted is pretty scummy as well as I mentioned.

I think this is a fair argument. I haven't seen a completed scum game from sky so I can't speak to that, but what you describe is how it felt to me in the towngame we played- still crazy busy, but there was actual scumhunting happening. I don't think this enough of a case to make me want to vote for her on D1,though

[Merlyn]

There has been just as much interest in a wagon on me as there has been with Merlyn, unless I'm mistaken. It just feels weird that you would go there instead of me when your read suggests you think I'm more likely to flip scum. Like what's the harm in trying to start a wagon up on me? At least two other people have said they would be willing to vote there. It feels like you're going for Merlyn because she's an easier target tbh

How is there as much interest in a wagon on you as on Merlyn yet Merlyn is an easier target?

This was a good question; am I missing where it got answered?

[Merlyn]

I omitted the reads wall, mostly because the spoiler stopped the cntrl f but also because the explanation there made sense to me.

but that's not fair, dammit, you can't omit the one I actually put thought into!

The rest-
You are right about the push, I recognize it was a small thing. It was also pretty early in the game though so I'm kind of good with noting small things early.

Let it be known that I do not actually town or scumread anyone on their pokemon preference, I just like glaceon. I judge them for it, but not townread or scumread them.

The holes thing is going to be longer to write about but I will tomorrow.

this is an oddly apologetic and borderline deflective post

I'm never sorry for anything ever

[Merlyn]

I'm down to vote Black, if don can't happen- the main reason the slot stood out to me was bella and the defense she put up of black was v odd to me, I could see them being a pair. I'd be happy to switch back to don though, I will be around for deadline

VOTE: Black I believe that's e-2

[Merlyn]

I didn't expect Meuh to be scum lol

I believe u

VOTE: invisibility

why would I shoot Meuh

like Meuh was working with me and townreading me and defending me and stuff. Why would scum!me, thinking Meuh is town, want to kill one of my only friends among the town, especially when pressure was starting to mount on me at the end of the day? If I did it to protect my partner then I still feel like there's better kills cuz basically everyone Meuh was suspicious of was also strong suspected by some other people. It only kinda makes sense if my partner is Donempire

But you (and anyone) could have killed sky, so how is this a good defense?

[Merlyn]

Lol, never would have guessed Meuh was scum from all the wagon hopping at the end of the day

Don't remember your vote reflecting that bit of wisdom my dear doctor

[Merlyn]

bingle is ur towntell being an asshole or u just trying to match osuka energy here

I don't have one. My towngame and my scumgame are very similar, because I'm good at playing as scum.

I think he's being pushed pretty hard here, I'd have a hard time being nice under this kind of borderline attacking the player and not the play that's happening.

[Merlyn]

i'm too tired to argue with bingle over shit

why didn't this last lol

[Merlyn]

What has she really done? For as here as she seems to be, there's a general lack of specific things I can remember liking about her.

that's what people said about me at my high school reunion

[Merlyn]

My main scumread hasn't really changed and I'm kind of just skimming though the Osuka/Bingle fight. I'll go back and look for things that have changed for me

[Merlyn]

My main scumread hasn't really changed and I'm kind of just skimming though the Osuka/Bingle fight. I'll go back and look for things that have changed for me

I assume this means don? Sell me on why he's scum?

Still interested in this, btw.

It did mean don. Pros for scum: I didn't think he was contributing much to a slot I already found scummy. Cons for scum: it turns out he is 100% not scum

[Merlyn]

@Mod- Limited Access until the 5th bc I'm at the lake. I might still have time to post but no promises

[Merlyn]

Y'all. I am at the lake. I do not care about this game as much I do about being on a boat with beers rn. Go ahead and lim me if you want, but keep an eye on who decided to wagons roll on someone V/LA. That's where I'm going to be looking anyway should I live when I get back.

[Merlyn]

I do not care about this game as much I do about being on a boat with beers rn

I read this as being on a boat with bears. Do not trust bears. They are wild animals and will fuck your day up.

In other news, I'm happy to give Merlyn a day or two to escape the large omnivores threatening her.

Basically how it's going:

[Merlyn]

i take full credit for this wagon on u.
Inspect me all day

Sounds a bit dirty when u put it like that firebringer

[Merlyn]

So, I still think Ausuka is town, and if I'm wrong that's just how it is. Some recent examples of towny posts are 1280, 1285, and 1382. It just seems like real solving to me. Plus her number one detractor is Drew, who is someone I don't really trust.

Drew is one of the main peeps I sus. I feel like his joining the wagon on me is in bad faith- I've seen drew case me before, and this is the lowest effort he's ever put into it. (I mean, I do recognize my effort here lately has been kinda low too but I feel how I feel). It feels like he's just sheeping FB without really having his own read on me.

Firebringer...look I dunno. I think it would be kind of ballsy if they're scum and they started with the george bailey schtick, but I've also kind of been buttered up by the funny and maybe that was the point. Going thru their ISO, they've basically been tunneled on bingle the whole time with some brief forays into being wrong about stuff:

Meuh is uber uber town.

ohhh doneempire replaced bella
ohh 100% also down for yeeting that to the moon

So the main two things I'm wondering: are all his reads just bad, or scummy? and why has his obession stopped when bingle still isn't resolved?

I'll VOTE: Firebringer for now but I want to look through a few other people too. But not now right now I want cheese fries

[Merlyn]

It would also be funny if meuh tried to get merlyn killed and merlyn killed her in retaliation lmao

wait I meant to say this too, I'm still pretty new but I think I know better than to off the main person casing me.

[Merlyn]

society if everyone knew that post tags around the post number create a link

Sorry I do know that and I meant to but I forgot

[Merlyn]

Damn, I didn't even realize at was at e-1. look, I like my vote, I do wish I could bring more pressure to bear but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. If I'm on the chopping block for real I've told town where I think they should look first.

[Merlyn]

Don, why do you think Ausuka is scum? I skimmed your ISO but couldn't find the main reason. I've been tr'ing all game

[Merlyn]

You need fire water earth and air in order to achieve balance

everything changed when the fire nation attacked

[Merlyn]

Don, I respect the case you built on Ausuka and I'd be townreading you for it even if you weren't conf, but I can't get behind it. I think you have one good point in that while scum!Ausuka wouldn't have been likely to kill sky, that doesn't mean she wouldn't have killed Meuh and gotten sky by mistake. But the rest seems to be built on whether her Black vote was scummy and it just wasn't, things were crazy at the deadline (and made worse, we now know, by a scum deliberately causing wagon switching chaos).

[Merlyn]

Sorry Don I'm trying to be against you, I just don't feel good about the ausuka car. I feel probably the same way about voting osuka as I do Drew, I can see a world where either of them is scum.

[Merlyn]

Well my top townread and my top scumread are on the potentially only viable wagon with 12 hours to go and a deadline I will be asleep for. So I can 1) stick to my vote on you which has gone nowhere and hope we don't no lim 2) take a chance on voting someone I could see being scum.

[Merlyn]

I really like this idea, I'm in. I'm gonna let the math champs confirm what list each of us should do before I start

[Merlyn]

I just like being told what to do

[Merlyn]

A bit more seriously: it is a good idea,some sleuthing actually based in fact, and if the only pushback is laziness, I'd still rather do it. I don't really get how it's a ton of work- it's reading 12 convos.

[Merlyn]

Christ that sounds intolerable. Stay safe RR

[Merlyn]

I've got COVID (no, not AtE, I would have COVID whether I was scum or town) and I don't know know how to solve the game anyway. VOTE: Dr. Drew and maybe I'll come back later.

[Merlyn]

BRUH HE LITERALLY SHOT MEUH AND THEN BRAGGED ABOUT IT

wait so are you saying that Bingle made an oopsie by kablamming his purported scumread that was secretly a townread and then he decided to be a big mean evil jerk and laugh about it in the thread or what

I mean, Pooky is not wrong that I enjoy bragging about insane shit I've pulled off. But his narrative here is that I'm literally bragging about shooting myself in the foot. Other things I don't tend to do: hitting my genitalia with hammers and putting my arms in woodchippers.

I don't know or need know about your kinks Bingle but this is actually a good point. Like, brag about messing up?

[Merlyn]

Ugh, fine. Better this than no lim VOTE: Bingle

it would be legendary if Pooky is right

[Merlyn]

I think there's a solid possibility of this being TvT with Pooky just latching onto a hero solve and confbiasing his way into this hole, and an outside chance he's actually right and we're all being played for fools, but like.

If Datisi descended from the heavens and said one of them MUST be scum, gun to head I'd go for Pooky.

He's hyperfocusing on a specific aspect that I don't think actually aligns with the reality of the situation, and Bingle's defense pretty much matches my perception of events.

So here's my thing. A hypothetical sheep townflip forces me to reevaluate the game as I presently understand it, and in the event that I'm wrong, I want that opportunity to reevaluate. I don't want to be stuck with sheep in ELo, and ESPECIALLY not both sheep and Drew.

If this Bingle/Pooky 1v1 absolutely MUST be resolved today, I will vote for Pooky. But I won't follow through onto Bingle until after I have an answer on sheep.

I will alternatively move to Drew, who is tied into my sheep read and would also be a place I looked for a partner if I knew that I were wrong about Bingle, so it would serve to either win, or provide context that actually helps me solve after.

Unfortunately, either Pooky or Bingle flipping green... leaves me in the exact same spot I'm at now. It just wastes a day eliminating a townread, just like we did yesterday with osuka, and I don't want to do that again.

So.

VOTE: Doctor Drew
Anyone for hammer?

Ugh, fine. Better this than no lim VOTE: Bingle

it would be legendary if Pooky is right

Why did you switch when we already had a hammer lined up for Drew?

what if the scummteam is Merlyn/Drew lol and that's why RR died? And also the vote switch they noted was rather odd yes. They would be in a somewhat decent pizza state since limming Pooky today seemed like the forgone conclusion if Bingle flipped town. I'll iso them later

I didn't notice the RR vote, I just saw the votecount on top on thought we were about to run out of time. I do recognize how it looks lol. I would like to think that as scum I would be a bit less obvious than that.

[Merlyn]

I will probably assume firebringer town

like

it's not that he couldnt be scum, but it's the one ISO ive done and he's so much

more

villagery than everyone else that it feels fair enough to just work with never voting him

I don't love that you just did so much work and then gave firebringer a pass bc...you didn't want to be unfair to him I guess? He also is definitely not more villagery than everyone else, like he has definitely NOT been what I would call a universal townread. I think you might be either a) skimming over your partner or b) been a little pocketed here.

[Merlyn]

I don't love that you just did so much work and then gave firebringer a pass bc...you didn't want to be unfair to him I guess? He also is definitely not more villagery than everyone else, like he has definitely NOT been what I would call a universal townread. I think you might be either a) skimming over your partner or b) been a little pocketed here.

can you be more fence sitting with your positions here.
its fine not to call me a townread
but u both are trying to diffuse a townread on someone without giving adequate reason why you think im scum
and also at same time fence sitting on sheep and my relation by calling us possible team members.

Like god this is terrible.

It's mafia, fence sitting is kind of thing here

I was actually pointing out that they hadn't given adequate reason to think you're town. There is a difference you know.

I hate to point this out to you, but you are in fact possible team members. Like, it would be foolish of me not to consider everybody.

[Merlyn]

the simplest fucking answer to this game is actually Meryln and Drew and I want both these two to fucking case each other and tell me their position on the other.

Cause they look sus as fuck together right now where im standing.

Sir, yes sir! I voted Drew yesterday, and I'm down to vote him today. In fact I'm down for folks to vote me today, I just want folks to take a closer look at you afterwards because I just have this feeling that this is stomping around is a bit of theater on your part.

VOTE: firebringer Gonna put my money where my mouth is.

[Merlyn]

okay

VOTE: Doctor Drew

How do you possibly vote me over Merlyn?

This feels a bit like a southern belle gasping and fanning herself here, Drew. Is it really a stretch that someone would find you sus? If I hadn't messed up you would have been limmed yesterday.

[Merlyn]

the simplest fucking answer to this game is actually Meryln and Drew and I want both these two to fucking case each other and tell me their position on the other.

Cause they look sus as fuck together right now where im standing.

Sir, yes sir! I voted Drew yesterday, and I'm down to vote him today. In fact I'm down for folks to vote me today, I just want folks to take a closer look at you afterwards because I just have this feeling that this is stomping around is a bit of theater on your part.

VOTE: firebringer Gonna put my money where my mouth is.

No, I want you to case him. Not just say you are willing to vote him.

Give me your case on him.

Do it.

This is exactly what I mean by theater. You're gonna order me to do something right this minute or....I dunno, you'll vote me? Show up at my house with a baseball bat?

Let's be real here. I can't make a case on Drew that will change your mind about me. You know that. I know that. Just vote the way you want and chill a bit.

[Merlyn]

GEOORGEEEE BAILEY.

[Merlyn]

Thats copyright infringement

Lol I'm sorry

[Merlyn]

I don't think FB would vote Drew right now if they were partners. There's taking it to the edge and there's pushing it off the cliff. It sucks that I think that because I've felt good about each of them being scum but that doesn't make sense

[Merlyn]

u had me fooled alright.
and i basically led the charge on two town elims.
I should be named third lover.

I welcome this threesome

Come on in, the waters fine! You may have been on a wrong wagon or two but seriously, think of how many times you said, I think its just drew/merlyn, you were a clutch scum hunter here

gg town! Drew and I knew we wouldn't be making out of this one alive, but we tried to go out Bonnie and Clyde style.

[Merlyn]

I wonder what datisi learned about his setup from this test run

I think there needs to be something to balance out exactly what happened N1 here.

Cause it is a super uphill battle for scum at that point.

I'd love to see the setup run again, maybe if scum don't blow each other up immediately it's not so hard on a wolf

[Merlyn]

lmao I just 1000% assumed meuh was the kill

Everyone did lol

At some point in this game, I say "but what if it was sky?' and the response was, 'scum would never be that dumb!'

[Merlyn]

There's going to be a few highlights in that mafia PT actually, including:

-Us calling ourselves the A Team and the other scum team the B team right before blowing them up
-Me forgetting that we rolecopped FB and insisting he was a friendly neighbor
-Getting distracted by where Datisi lives and whether it's a nice place or not