Open 883 - Swinger's Hall

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Auska

I don't know if you will ever learn

[Doctor Drew]

I will say I am not used to all the effort from Ari.

Someone who is better at(and cared more about) mech, is it better to not lim someone here?

Isn't that not ever a good idea on D1?

[Doctor Drew]

i think if we don't vote to eliminate then we are going to have headaches finding mafia later

That's where I was at as well, just wanted someone smarter to say it lol.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: rh9

Maybe this is semantics, but why RH and not Klick.

Also, your new avatar makes me think yellow m&m on a week long bender.

[Doctor Drew]

Also Ari town, this doesn't feel like the scum!Ari I've played with before

Counterpoint, doesn't feel like the townAri I have played with before.

[Doctor Drew]

Also Ari town, this doesn't feel like the scum!Ari I've played with before

Counterpoint, doesn't feel like the townAri I have played with before.

Maybe Ari has a good range I don't like it when people are good at mafia

Well thankfully I am here to bring the level of play down.

[Doctor Drew]

I came here for two reasons, to dance the night away and kill scum........and my feet are starting to get sore.

[Doctor Drew]

who's scum drew

Leaning you, but I don't mind letting you cook. Like I said you are just different than I have seen.

I don't get the situation around Klick.

Wouldn't be surprised if scum lies in the lurkers so far.....short day phase, there actually is reason to hang back if town is fucking itself.

[Doctor Drew]

In the elim phase, players vote to eliminate a pair. Majority ends the day, plurality at deadline.

Wait we can't even no-lim

Town points to Ari in this case.

[Doctor Drew]

who's scum drew

Leaning you, but I don't mind letting you cook. Like I said you are just different than I have seen.

I don't get the situation around Klick.

Wouldn't be surprised if scum lies in the lurkers so far.....short day phase, there actually is reason to hang back if town is fucking itself.

well if you think it's me just let me dance with klick ?

We can't no lim, unless I am misreading what meuh posted.

I lean slightly more town on you because you didn't see that.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm fine with people scumhunting more

I am just saying if you believe my case on Klick or you believe I am mafia - I think it makes sense for you to let the clock run the 7 days and then I can exit with Klick.

I will be honest, I was crunching the numbers trying to figure out a scum motivation from you here.

I don't think there really is one.

You have my vote....err, lack of vote I mean.

VOTE: No Lim

[Doctor Drew]

Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote

Hnmmmmm

Why the hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[Doctor Drew]

If you're scum you're currently playing town mindset pretty well

Going to work, see y'all later

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I kinda feel like drew has to be a wolf here lmao so I vibe w/ this ig?

Yeah Drew as scum makes sense here

This isn't even worthy of the yellow m&m.

I think history has proven neither of you know my scum game lol.

But I am not exactly town reading yessiree, so have at it.

I still agree with Ari's plan though.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, woah.......Ausuka is defending me?

Wtf is going on so far in this game??

[Doctor Drew]

I want more content from Drew, I feel like Drew is frozen out of the game atm.

Rvs moved quick and then everyone was on you, didn't vibe with me....and ya, the game ain't vibing with me so far.

So, do you scum read me or yess(or both)?

[Doctor Drew]

I want more content from Drew, I feel like Drew is frozen out of the game atm.

Rvs moved quick and then everyone was on you, didn't vibe with me....and ya, the game ain't vibing with me so far.

So, do you scum read me or yess(or both)?

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a red flip from either of you

So you were able to ascertain I am scum despite me being 'frozen out of the game'?

[Doctor Drew]

I want more content from Drew, I feel like Drew is frozen out of the game atm.

Rvs moved quick and then everyone was on you, didn't vibe with me....and ya, the game ain't vibing with me so far.

So, do you scum read me or yess(or both)?

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a red flip from either of you

So you were able to ascertain I am scum despite me being 'frozen out of the game'?

I think you're decently likely to be scum yeah and feeling like you're frozen is part of that

I also feel like you're reacting really defensively to me expressing a bit of suspicion around your slot, when you agree that you've been a bit disconnected

Like, surely it makes some sense to you that I have reservations around your slot?

I am just trying to figure out the missing link to how you think I am scum here, doesn't make sense.

Like, you think I am the 'lurky scum' type?

Pre Edit: Well, you did vote me.....

[Doctor Drew]

334 feels like Drew trying to catch Klick out on a perceived logical inconsistency in his read progression

I find this type of focus on logical inconsistencies and logical reads in particular to come from scum a lot more often than town. It's just much more natural for scum to latch onto than any other kind of read (like tone)

there is a possibility that drew is town and having enormous difficulty getting into the game, and that by scum reading this post I am just freezing him out even more

but i think the simpler answer trends towards drew just being scum

No, I sometimes get into games by scenarios such as these.

Klick isn't making sense, they have first hand knowledge as me as scum.....and know I get more invested then I have been here. They also thought that version of me was town, which was incorrect.

They say I am frozen here(which I take as not invested too much), and ya I am not.....so when someone calls me.out as possibly scum, for reasons that are so against my scum meta, from a person who should know it(this goes for Ali as well).

Ya, I am gonna turn my attention to them.

They aren't idiots, so I only have one other option to try to suss out here.

Pre Edit: Seriously RH? Literally in my sig hectic describes how I get scum read as town quite a lot.

And Dann, you don't think my gut reads aren't based on meta?

[Doctor Drew]

@Infinity

From my experience (or at least my memory of meta-ing him recently) Drew aims to seem relaxed as scum, and kind of doesn't really come off that way naturally when he's town

Plenty of things can affect how relaxed someone is/wants to present as, but I at least want to flag that appearing relaxed is entirely within Drew's scum range/how he would consider approaching a scum game

How relaxed was I in Boons Ahoy? I assume this is the meta you were referring to.......or Fire and Fire, was scumDrew relaxed there?

You literally are talking out of your ass and speaking factually incorrect. The irony being here is that I am not relaxed anymore lol.....Klick tried to use meta to say I was town in Boons Ahoy, ironically helping me and the scum team win. I find it hard to believe that they would use meta to make a scum case for me KNOWING that they were wrong about it before......or at least offering the caveat that they were were wrong once before(I think that is the key before, if I am wrong about someone once I will admit that I have been wrong when giving a read such as klick did).

Bottom line, and say all 'OMGUS'.......klick is telling the story that they want to tell, not the actual story that is legit.

VOTE: Klick/RH

I believe that is E-1 if I can count lol

[Doctor Drew]

Oh my god please do not eliminate klick rh

Why?

[Doctor Drew]

Give me a small little blurb of a reason.

[Doctor Drew]

I believe that is E-1 if I can count lol

you can't count

[Doctor Drew]

I’m on mobile I didn’t see it

But you. saw my vote on Klick.

Which was one post below the VC

[Doctor Drew]

@Infinity

From my experience (or at least my memory of meta-ing him recently) Drew aims to seem relaxed as scum, and kind of doesn't really come off that way naturally when he's town

Plenty of things can affect how relaxed someone is/wants to present as, but I at least want to flag that appearing relaxed is entirely within Drew's scum range/how he would consider approaching a scum game

How relaxed was I in Boons Ahoy? I assume this is the meta you were referring to.......or Fire and Fire, was scumDrew relaxed there?

You literally are talking out of your ass and speaking factually incorrect. The irony being here is that I am not relaxed anymore lol.....Klick tried to use meta to say I was town in Boons Ahoy, ironically helping me and the scum team win. I find it hard to believe that they would use meta to make a scum case for me KNOWING that they were wrong about it before......or at least offering the caveat that they were were wrong once before(I think that is the key before, if I am wrong about someone once I will admit that I have been wrong when giving a read such as klick did).

Bottom line, and say all 'OMGUS'.......klick is telling the story that they want to tell, not the actual story that is legit.

VOTE: Klick/RH

I believe that is E-1 if I can count lol

Meanwhile, I just feel like Drew is becoming more and more obvious scum.

For me, the telling line here is “factually incorrect.”

If Drew was town here and found a factual inconsistency in Klick’s read, I think Drew would question him on it first or at some point consider a world where Klick is wrong!town. But here, it looks like Drew went into this interaction wanting Klick to be scum. I think this is further evidenced be his post where he accuses Klick of ascertaining Drew as scum despite him being frozen out of the game in 334. Drew sees this as an inconsistency and as such Klick must be scum for it.

Drew just seems so fixated on logical inconsistencies and factual correctness and experience says that mafia are way more likely to fall back on those arguments because it feels like the strongest tool they have. It is way easier to push a miselim because of inconsistencies in a townie’s read (because townies are inconsistent all the time) than it is because of a townie’s tone.

I don’t think Drew actually seems interested in determining Klick’s alignment. He seems more interested in burying Klick under his perceived inconsistencies

Idk if I agree with this tbh

I think if someone pushes you for reasons you think are bs/made up it's pretty normal to push back against that

I don’t necessarily have a problem with drew pushing klick by itself

But before even the meta case it felt like Drew had decided he wanted to scum read klick

And there’s just like not a single other aspect of Klick’s play or really the game at large that I feel drew is really engaging with

That is simply not true.

I even said fairly early on that I didn't understand the issue people were having with Klick.

I also engaged with Ari about her no Lim plan quite a bit.

I am only engaging Klick with the meta read because then calling me scummy made no logical sense. And it took me pushing them to explain that it was meta, yet the only time I have been scum with Klick my play was so much different, like objectively you can't call it the same as here. And Klicks responded by saying I could always change my meta. Also seems a bit odd that Klick would say they were reading up on my meta recently, why me exactly?

So who exactly decided they decided they wanted to scum read whom before this all began??

[Doctor Drew]

Also I should say that I am not necessarily opposed to being limmed, I kinda feel Yess slipped in our PT but they have been MIA both there and here so couldn't, ahem....engage with them so I dunno.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, just maybe all I had to do was ask.

[Doctor Drew]

I want more content from Drew, I feel like Drew is frozen out of the game atm.

Rvs moved quick and then everyone was on you, didn't vibe with me....and ya, the game ain't vibing with me so far.

So, do you scum read me or yess(or both)?

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a red flip from either of you

So you were able to ascertain I am scum despite me being 'frozen out of the game'?

I think you're decently likely to be scum yeah and feeling like you're frozen is part of that

I also feel like you're reacting really defensively to me expressing a bit of suspicion around your slot, when you agree that you've been a bit disconnected

Like, surely it makes some sense to you that I have reservations around your slot?

@Infinity

From my experience (or at least my memory of meta-ing him recently) Drew aims to seem relaxed as scum, and kind of doesn't really come off that way naturally when he's town

Plenty of things can affect how relaxed someone is/wants to present as, but I at least want to flag that appearing relaxed is entirely within Drew's scum range/how he would consider approaching a scum game

My post was a bit jumbled, was trying to make it quick since I was at work.

But it is all here, I misremembered thinking you said I can change my meta, but it was this last paragraph is what I was referring to. Like, what exactly would you consider relaxed and how can you ascertain that when you first admit that I basically had little to no content......which also isn't true since I did interact with Ari as I said.

And to be more clear, I don't really have an issue with Klick calling me scum(ok obviously I do, I definitely and showing defensiveness), but this is more that like I just said, and what Dann accused me of doing is precisely is what Klick has done, and imo is scum.

[Doctor Drew]

What was the slip Drew?

And when did it happen?

Well they were first to post in thread, like 3 minutes after Jingle sent the PM saying scum will get Mafia PMs shortly, if you don't get one you are town.

Seemingly most people would wait like over 5 minutes I would guess. So I asked them about in the PT and they said didn't know another PM would come ...then we talked about GameCube lol.

I didn't think much of it until I revisited it later, and I know it isn't much, but just pings me so hard because Jingle literally said s third one would come.

Now all they have posted is that they usually don't Mafia on the weekend....so I dunno.

Pre Edit: Jesus man, patience is a virtue.

[Doctor Drew]

Ironically I think Dann would be more likely scum between them and Cakez, notice how Dann has been a cheerleader for Klick of there case on me.

And it feels they aren't even reading my posts and what my case was on Klick.

[Doctor Drew]

ideally I would like to no elim and agree to pair Ausuka with yessiree and flip them both

I kinda doubt enough people are gonna agree to that though

Ironically enough, I do like the no elim plan better then limming Klick, or me for that matter. And if we are limming I would prefer Klick over me tbf, and part of that is selfishly I want to keep playing and would prefer sacrificing myself over something better than a maybe slip, but I also don't want to just blindly town read yess because of that.....so if I am getting votes, I won't fight them too much.

Pre Edit: The only thing odd about Ausuka to me is her defending me(she always thinks I am scum), and then her saying she wasn't defending me.

[Doctor Drew]

Can I ask a potentially stupid set up question?

I assumed this was just a typical lovers setup with some extra bells and whistles(lol Jingle, definitely not undermining your setup, just best quick way I can describe it).

But is it possible for both dance partners to be scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Which was why I was in favour of Ari's plan.
In that optimally, we can create more T/T and S/S pairs.

Oh do agree here, on that note

VOTE: no lim

[Doctor Drew]

i think it ever ends up being revealed that we randed an S/S pair D1 the slots that most wanted to end this phase quickly and/or pushed for no-elim (other than Ari) should be scrutinized heavily

Hmm, never considered this tbh.

But why would Ari be free from scrutiny?

[Doctor Drew]

Mostly I just really think she is town now

I guess there is an edge case where you and yessiree are scum and Ari felt like she had to play super aggro so that you two would survive the phase

Walk me through this, why are you saying she has been aggro?

And why is THAT the only scenario where she is scum?

[Doctor Drew]

I think Ari is town a vast majority of the time here, I’ve explained my read there

IF I am wrong, I think her play could fit a scum agenda in that she was motivated to conclude this phase pretty quickly because her teammates were in an S/S pair (mostly likely you and yessiree) that could easily wind up being the elim today

I really don’t think this is a likely scenario and even if an S/S pair did flip my first suspect probably wouldn’t be Ari

Do you think yess and I are S/S, or just in this hypothetical scenario.

[Doctor Drew]

@drew did you miss 485

I did and I didn't, read it but got caught up with Klick and the slip thing lol.

But yes, their meta read on me is full of holes and doesn't make sense. Like I said, it is like they said they are going to push me as scum, and then try to connect dots after the fact.

[Doctor Drew]

i agree with dann that it's rare for scum to just pull shit out of their ass but that kinda feels like what drew is doing here

Oh for the love of Christ.

Everything that Dann, and now you, are accusing me of, is exactly the same shit Klick is doing!

I even used that exact terminology!

I repeat, this isn't about saving myself from Lim, this is about showing you people how disingenuous Klick has been in regards to me?

Do I just have to show you I am town, and hope my gut is right on Yessir that they are scum? Then will you pair up Klick with a collective scum read?

[Doctor Drew]

I want more content from Drew, I feel like Drew is frozen out of the game atm.

Rvs moved quick and then everyone was on you, didn't vibe with me....and ya, the game ain't vibing with me so far.

So, do you scum read me or yess(or both)?

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a red flip from either of you

So you were able to ascertain I am scum despite me being 'frozen out of the game'?

I think you're decently likely to be scum yeah and feeling like you're frozen is part of that

I also feel like you're reacting really defensively to me expressing a bit of suspicion around your slot, when you agree that you've been a bit disconnected

Like, surely it makes some sense to you that I have reservations around your slot?

@Infinity

From my experience (or at least my memory of meta-ing him recently) Drew aims to seem relaxed as scum, and kind of doesn't really come off that way naturally when he's town

Plenty of things can affect how relaxed someone is/wants to present as, but I at least want to flag that appearing relaxed is entirely within Drew's scum range/how he would consider approaching a scum game

My post was a bit jumbled, was trying to make it quick since I was at work.

But it is all here, I misremembered thinking you said I can change my meta, but it was this last paragraph is what I was referring to. Like, what exactly would you consider relaxed and how can you ascertain that when you first admit that I basically had little to no content......which also isn't true since I did interact with Ari as I said.

And to be more clear, I don't really have an issue with Klick calling me scum(ok obviously I do, I definitely and showing defensiveness), but this is more that like I just said, and what Dann accused me of doing is precisely is what Klick has done, and imo is scum.

When I question them calling me scum for being frozen on the game, they get defensive and really start the attack.

Even use you saying I am seem relaxed as a scum tell, when if they had actually been researching my meta they would know that isn't true.....since, and I will keep saying it, the one scum game I played with them I in it I most certainly was not relaxed......I will quote the game when on my laptop.

Which, and I actually keep forgetting about demon slayer lol, they actually used incorrect meta from THAT game to form the read on me in Boons Ahoy.

And they aren't refuting what I am saying with anything more than just, no you are wrong...... essentially trying to bully the BS read through(bully in the game sense, I don't think you are a bully irl Klick lol).

[Doctor Drew]

Fuck it, save you the hassle....I am getting too heated in this game anyways.

I choose to leave the dance

[Doctor Drew]

Hope that's how you do it lol

[Doctor Drew]

Sorry yessir if you are town, can we all look at Klick a bit more please mm kay?

[Doctor Drew]

have a good night drew

Nothing to apologize for, tis just a game.

But, felt like I wasn't being heard so the best way is to just prove that I am town, hope that you, Dann, and others get my perspective and why Klick was doing everything I was being scum read for.

And hey, maybe I take scum out with me as I sneak out the back door lol.

I do have one thing I will save for post game though, maybe will entertain the dead chat with in the meantime lol(nothing that affects this game, also isn't about any ongoing game or anything like that).

[Doctor Drew]

Bye drew

I’m sorry if you weren’t having a good time in this game

Well it is partly my own doing, I thought I could expose Klick more obviously than I did. I miscalculated though, actually did have a masterplan that wasn't exactly going as I wished(again, will save that for post game, is irrelevant to the game now anyways).

I still don't get how Ari gets a pass on your theory about s/s teams using no lim, I think you are too focused on the what theey are doing and not the why they are doing(though I still have suspicions you are scum as well, so I get it iff so).

[Doctor Drew]

Drew I thought u were gonna cook, not play with fire

I used too much oil and burned myself.

[Doctor Drew]

I actually was trying to act Lim baity, but kinda worked myself into a shoot and got frustrated I was being scum read haha.

My plan was to get me limmed anyway, and then forgot I could just leave the dance lol.