VOTE: Indisious Lemons
~ Kori
They read their Role PM but didn't confirm it until later.In post 26, Umlaut wrote:No it wasn't. At least not beyond the trivial "all votes are to some extent serious" sense of the phrase. If I'm wrong and you have a real reason you're welcome to share it instead of inviting us to play 20 Questions.In post 24, Flea The Magician wrote:RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.
I think the rep out is more likely to come from a cult alignment at this stage. Also what are we playing here, Among Us? "Don't want this alignment. YEET."In post 32, InsidiousLemons wrote:i can confirm this is true. which of the following situations do you think is most probable:In post 30, Flea The Magician wrote:They read their Role PM but didn't confirm it until later.In post 26, Umlaut wrote:No it wasn't. At least not beyond the trivial "all votes are to some extent serious" sense of the phrase. If I'm wrong and you have a real reason you're welcome to share it instead of inviting us to play 20 Questions.In post 24, Flea The Magician wrote:RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.
- i am a cultist who read my role PM, considered replacing out, and then decided to confirm
- i am a VT who read my role PM, considered replacing out, and then decided to confirm
- i am a TPR who read my role PM, considered replacing out, and then decided to confirm
- regardless of what i rolled, i read my role PM and either forgot to or didn't have time to confirm it right away
Second cult game i've played, EVER. First time it's been an actual game driving mechanic. I've been playing on and off for years.In post 39, InsidiousLemons wrote:hmm, i guess i could see that. but all the cult role PMs look pretty self-explanatory to me. don't you think i'd know what a roleblocker and rolecop do by now? aren't those just as common (if not moreso) as any of the TPRs? and given that conversion to the cult is the driving mechanic in this game, i wouldn't expect that anyone but a complete beginner would be confused about the role of the leader either. what sorts of confusion are you imagining?
Knew something was bugging me, now I'm not distracted with CyberpunkRED and can go back to 1% braining this instead of 0.01%ing this, what on earth did I say that even implied a replace out?In post 40, InsidiousLemons wrote:this was kind of the subtext of 32 because i couldn't fully believe you'd actually suggest i would replace out based on what i rolled, especially not in an openIn post 38, Flea The Magician wrote:Also what are we playing here, Among Us? "Don't want this alignment. YEET."
ftfyIn post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:i didn't think the case itself was scummy, mostly i wanted to put pressure on flea sofae'danswer me about howfaethought i could've gotten confused. which is why this sheep and subsequent retraction stands out so much to me:
In post 60, Raya36 wrote:You think Lemons is scum for not responding to their pm right away, right? But you also said it's scum indicative for that to result in a replace out, which is clearly not the case here.
You've looked at things I've said, tried reading between the lines, found nothing and inserted narrative from Lemons or yourself, I'm unsure which.In post 46, Raya36 wrote:Flea, this is a really weird thing to push Lemon's for
You even seem to be implying Lemon's is town for it?
I should answer this too.In post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:flea, what is it from osuka that gives you a slight townlean? i find him incredibly difficult to read especially so early in the game, so i'm curious what you're seeing here, no matter how insubstantial.
who are you and which one?In post 93, Major Minor wrote:You could start by answering my post addressed to you!In post 77, Flea The Magician wrote:Anyone else is ??? and needs to do something.
It's explained in thread, but to surmise.In post 112, Major Minor wrote:In post 110, Flea The Magician wrote:who are you and which one?In post 93, Major Minor wrote:You could start by answering my post addressed to you!In post 77, Flea The Magician wrote:Anyone else is ??? and needs to do something.In post 67, Major Minor wrote:I'm having trouble following, both how you came to this conclusion (I saw it was later verified though), and why that would make them more likely to be scum/cult/whatever?In post 30, Flea The Magician wrote:They read their Role PM but didn't confirm it until later.In post 26, Umlaut wrote:No it wasn't. At least not beyond the trivial "all votes are to some extent serious" sense of the phrase. If I'm wrong and you have a real reason you're welcome to share it instead of inviting us to play 20 Questions.In post 24, Flea The Magician wrote:RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.
In post 42, Enchant wrote:How Flea even know how many time exact player waste on reading role.
Almost like I responded in realtimeIn post 48, Flea The Magician wrote:It was part of the confirmation edits in the PList post by the mod It caught my eye and became my opening vote.
Twice in 2 consecutive games ain't fair, give her a chanceIn post 141, InsidiousLemons wrote:we should policy herIn post 140, Major Minor wrote: Maruchan has still only posted once to ego the thread.
Part and parcel of mafia, if you're on the watch list you're damned either way.In post 146, Major Minor wrote:I'm not sure what someone's "normal range" is. I was asked to point to other people who had produced similarly low levels of content as me at the time I was criticized for not contributing other content. I was not asking you to give me a meta read on anybody. When I asked questions, I was blasted for asking questions and then asking for follow up when my questions were ignored. When I was asked to point to other slots that were inactive, I get told I should be asking questions instead. Seems I'm trapped in a "damned if you do" situation, aren't I?
Feels rather disingenuous on your part, tbh.
Then contribute, it is a shitty ass case but it was an RVS breaker and I'm happy with what I got for it.In post 151, osuka wrote:before i start catching up i just want to say that this dogshit pseudo-meta talk about whether or not whoever confirmed whatever the fuck role PM before or after they saw a role or didn't or whatever else is among the dumbest, most brain dead, shit-tier fucking dumpster fire conversation i have ever seen in my life
if you gave me a fucking lobotomy i'd lose less brain cells than i did reading through that trash
Are you setup fishing Enchant? Like genuinely this feels like it's meant to subtly extract information and this is why I fear your scumgame...In post 155, Enchant wrote:Problem with this game is cult leader. We can murder one cultist per day and still lose, simple because of spamming cultists.
That's reason why i want to see early accusations, because cult leader NEED something to cover self up. That's same with mafia who always bus self not actively for distancing. But here, leader could and probably should hardbus cultists (he always can get more).
Would cult risk to softbus leader, like mafia do? I think yes. That's reason why i suspect Lemons who you already townread and, surprising, osuka who... No comments, you already see that.
T3 is probably not Cult, because when i was mafia with him in other game, first thing he do is trying to kill teammate for townpoints and get murdered, idk if he changed his atlitude, but it's not like he actively accuse someone.
Flea is dangerous, i can't predict.
About others i have nothing to say.
Would cult not bus? Well. Yes. But i somehow believe they do.
Ergo,we can win only by randomlynch and hoping we cover Cult Leader with it. Why this is striked, that's truth. Sad, but true, go use your SCUMREADING powers or something, because not sure how to win this otherwise, but i think Lemons/osuka is best pet here.
A3 is IMO a lot more dangerous for the cult as it means they have a chance of failing to recruit and if they can't get those 2 players eliminated, they're a lil bit stuffed.
You first.In post 161, Major Minor wrote:And you... literally didn't read the end of the very post you quoted where I gave reads?In post 156, Flea The Magician wrote:Part and parcel of mafia, if you're on the watch list you're damned either way.
I was looking at your posts out of context at the time and that's what I got.
You also missed the bit where I asked if you got any reads from it.
VOTE: Flea
Do better.
Cop should always crumb results. No brainer.In post 162, InsidiousLemons wrote:also, it's funny that you accuse enchant of setup fishing, then turn around and ask for cop crumbs.
OK so...In post 183, Enchant wrote:Probably i can't understand something.
But did you propose plan where PR should let lynch self, but not reveal at all costs?
It's idiocy. Even if they can be converted. Why the fuck, we can lynch cult leader instead and win, and claimed PR not like be Cult Leader (unless...)
You don't which is why we need the flip.In post 187, Enchant wrote:How you tell apart simple cultist from cultist-cop?
Or do converted remain their powerrole and flip as some "Cult Cop"? I think it simple "Cultist".
Setup A was chosen because...In post 192, Marky Mark wrote:Why setup A in particular? I feel like I'm missing something hereIn post 159, Flea The Magician wrote:Assuming Setup A, these are the potential setups.
Damned right. proper cuppa wi Yorkshire Tea, side of custard creams, eugh straight into our collective heart right there.In post 198, Marky Mark wrote:On a waaaay lighter note, the mental image of Major Minor's SRs of Flea and I in one of their earlier posts made me chuckle. IIRC Flea is from Yorkshire, so if we ran a cult between us, it would be British af. Compulsory tea and custard creams for all initiates
elaborate for me <3
I want game content, not mech content from you rn. And I'm willing to drop the line there fully. If PRs want to claim, fine, go for it. I still think it's questionable because of the changing nature of this game.In post 289, Enchant wrote:I have no wish to reread game seriously right now. Tomorrow.
Flea, what you think about my plan with revealing PRs? You didn't comment it yet.
is more than what can be said about your play so far, and if you noticed I started to follow up on this because yeah you made a point.In post 230, Major Minor wrote:Mmmm. I know this is probably going to sign my death warrant, but whatever.
VOTE: Enchant
I believe this slot is independently scummy.
The opening "I claim Mafia Goon" is just cheeky enough that I could see cult doing it. This is purely conjecture, yes, but I actually think opening with that kind of joke is more likely to come from scum than town. Disagree? Okay, skip this point.
So much of what Enchant does early is split into two buckets: obviously farcical joking, or trying to direct town actions.
Almost the ENTIRETY of Enchant's posting so far is sort of playing in this orbitaroundthe game rather than engaging with the game itself. What I mean is... it's all jokes, or it's talkingtheoryabout what couldhypotheticallybe the best play in any given scenario. Then we keep going with it... what is the ideal claim? Is it bad to reveal roles? Should we massclaim? All this stuff looks neat but... Enchant doesn't have to engage with the game at all when doing this.
Look at all of Enchant's posts thus far. None of them give reads or attempt to pressure anyone or press suspicious actions. But there sure are a lot of them! Because waxing poetic about theory and hypotheticals is a very neat way for scum to generate content without opening themselves up to much risk.
Yeah i'm a pretty angry person at the moment.In post 330, Major Minor wrote:You are a hostile presence in the game, IMO. You've talked down to me for a large portion of your posts here and act as if you are better than everyone else. I can't tell if it's because you're scum with a chip on your shoulder, or you are just an angry person. That being said, it feels fairly hypocritical to want Osaka dead because of playstyle/personality given how you've acted. It's mafia, so I get it, it doesn't really bother me that much. But reading someone as scum for it? Come on now.In post 327, Flea The Magician wrote:Osaka less evasive, my bad, still disgustingly overly-aggressive and hostile.
I love you disconnected the emphasis from the phrase.In post 330, Major Minor wrote:Handwaving an entire case and saying it was... poop? Bold, brave content.In post 327, Flea The Magician wrote:Major Minor you case was poop, frankly. and you have answeredaroundat least 1 question today and I've already shown you that.
I'm not sure what your second point means. The emphasis on "around" is strange, but also, you say I've answered "at least" one question today... so I've answered more than one? Or what? And how does this relate to my case, which you claimed was poop?
Didn't say you were ignoring, was saying this is what had happened in the past. People call bad faith to force disengagement. Frankly I know what angle I'm pushing, I used the context of the game, and I'm gathering information.In post 330, Major Minor wrote:You don't need to be condescending to people. "Protip", I'm not ignoring you. I've engaged with you countless times, but yes, eventually, if someone shows bad faith enough times, it becomes grounds for suspicion or pressure.In post 327, Flea The Magician wrote:Also protip, calling me disengenuous gets you scumpoints because frankly I absofuckinglutely hate when people declare "bad faith!!" as an excuse to ignore me. You give me hella bad vibes.
But you're not voting me. In fact, you're on Enchant, and the first one on there actually.In post 330, Major Minor wrote:Answered above. I also, in the post where I said I'd shoot you, actually explained the reasons I was voting for you, so I am glad to have to repeat myself for you for like... the fifth time.In post 327, Flea The Magician wrote:You say you'd shoot me to remove me from the game, do that mean you're SRing me or just dislike me? I'd love to know which one it is.
Enchant made sense and was doing good at the time, was engaging with me sincerely and I had no reason to doubt them. Your case felt scum motivated as it was pushing a mech-active/game-inactive slot without trying to interact with them imo. Which is where I took your point - still doesn't mean your case is good - and pushed it a little to try and generate content. and now we know why enchant was distant. I fully buy the claim ftr but unfortunately they will be recruited tonight.In post 330, Major Minor wrote:You followed up on this how? By giving Enchant a "day pass" and hand waving what I said?In post 327, Flea The Magician wrote:now this....is more than what can be said about your play so far, and if you noticed I started to follow up on this because yeah you made a point.In post 230, Major Minor wrote:Mmmm. I know this is probably going to sign my death warrant, but whatever.
VOTE: Enchant
I believe this slot is independently scummy.
The opening "I claim Mafia Goon" is just cheeky enough that I could see cult doing it. This is purely conjecture, yes, but I actually think opening with that kind of joke is more likely to come from scum than town. Disagree? Okay, skip this point.
So much of what Enchant does early is split into two buckets: obviously farcical joking, or trying to direct town actions.
Almost the ENTIRETY of Enchant's posting so far is sort of playing in this orbitaroundthe game rather than engaging with the game itself. What I mean is... it's all jokes, or it's talkingtheoryabout what couldhypotheticallybe the best play in any given scenario. Then we keep going with it... what is the ideal claim? Is it bad to reveal roles? Should we massclaim? All this stuff looks neat but... Enchant doesn't have to engage with the game at all when doing this.
Look at all of Enchant's posts thus far. None of them give reads or attempt to pressure anyone or press suspicious actions. But there sure are a lot of them! Because waxing poetic about theory and hypotheticals is a very neat way for scum to generate content without opening themselves up to much risk.
I may not like your slot rn, but I'm getting worse vibes from osuka.
And if I made a point... then... why was my case "poop" like you said earlier?
I was calling your case rubbish. I get it's weird calling the play style scummy, but you made no attempt to engage Enchant otherwise and pull them into the game. That's what I thought was suspicious.In post 347, Major Minor wrote:I'm not sure what a "pants" case is. But I'd argue I wasn't attacking a playstyle, I was attacking individual categories of actions as being scummy. (And, for the record, "You were attacking a playstyle" is a really weird critique? Like yes, if a playstyle is scummy, the actions comprising that playstyle gets called out.)
You are quite apt at altering contexts I've noticed.In post 347, Major Minor wrote:To your point about bad faith: if you weren't saying I was ignoring you, why did you tell me I got "scum points" for using the argument because it's an excuse to ignore you? Like, you're simultaneously using the ignoring as a reason to blanket scumread me, while also claiming I'm not actually ignoring you and you're just talking about what has happened in the past.
Disagree, we still have another potential PR, Enchant had hinted VERY HEAVILY at being a PR and people still pushed for it. I believe Enchants wagon was scum driven and that they picked up the same hints as me. Same as you have around the time of the initial claim, but as a rather specific one that doesn't fit with that claim. This one could entirely be a case of "You'll find what you're looking for if you're looking for it" though.In post 347, Major Minor wrote: You're right, I was the first one on Enchant. I still stand by my points that Enchant's play was scum-coded, and furthermore, I think the open claim is actively harmful to town and very well might've lost us the game here.
Your vote for Enchant was in 230. Did you forget?In post 330, Major Minor wrote:I also,in the post where I said I'd shoot you, actually explained the reasons I was voting for you, so I am glad to have to repeat myself for you for like... the fifth time.
Pick someone and push then. You're suspicious of a pocket from Osuka, investigate it and either confirm it or throw it aside. Osuka is someone who gives me big game vibes and I want to see the big game happen.In post 347, Major Minor wrote: I'm at a complete loss for what to do. Enchant has hardclaimed so that's off the table. I know that I'm not scum. I don't believe Osuka is scum, though I'm sincerely hoping I'm not being pocketed and letting Osuka into my blind spot. If I believe all of that, and not a single person has shown any interest in supporting my suspicions on Flea, then I'm left with a very narrow pool, all of which seem to be somewhat swimming in the same stagnant null waters.
Thank you for your confession.In post 390, Major Minor wrote:ESPECIALLY if Flea is town.
Flea, if you're town, you're pushing on town here. Think about that for a moment and how that might explain some of the gamestate. With you doing the heavy lifting for scum to push people onto a miselimination onto me, they can sorta just... blend in. What other active things have been happening?
Oof the ego is real. You pushed for a wagon on Enchant, who was promptly run up to E-1 with much much less resistance.In post 390, Major Minor wrote:This isn't a long game, just 16 pages. I'd encourage people to reread and see the dominant narrative. It has solely centered around me from the start of this game, pretty much -- one of the first real reads expressed after Flea pushed us out of RVS was that people were sus of me for various reasons, and a majority of the dialogue has continued to be about that -- which means scum really don't want to shake up the narrative too much, because from their perspective, they had a townie in the spotlight (me) while I pushed for a wagon on a town PR (Enchant). The goal should be to find who was specifically trying not to rock the boat and seemed content to let the status quo stay as it is (Umlaut, ???).