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By the way,I am officially interpreting this as an invitation to play a minigame xx
To the first person who dies: I want you to post in dead thread that you want to fire Alianna, ok? I'll take care of convincing the living players. All 100% of em. I'm coming for you Ali-
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CSF and froggo locktown tbf
Nah, sadly my dreams of dicing everyone into little cubes with a machete will have to wait for a different gameIn post 12, froggodoggo wrote:
If you mean SK, then no did you?In post 10, Aisa wrote:Hii everyone! I see both familiar faces and people I’ve never interacted with before
I’m still in the mafia honeymoon period I think therefore p hyped for the game
VOTE: froggodoggo did you get the role of your dreams?
not sure what "mafia honeymoon" means but I am also very excited to finally get into a forum game!
We just both made a comment about SK in the queueIn post 14, Lucian wrote:Aisa can be Town for 11!
By the way, Aisa and froggo, do you have experience playing mafia with each other?-
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Deffo more jokey, though I did think both of your posts sounded good tonally. My reads will no doubt evolve as the game goes on.In post 31, froggodoggo wrote:
not a fan of giving locktowns on page 1, is this more of a jokey read? if not can I get reasoning behind the locktowns.In post 16, Aisa wrote:CSF and froggo locktown tbf
Like your analysis so far. froggo > Lucian for town.
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To be fair, "analysis" was maybe a little generous.In post 96, Lucian wrote:
Infinity is slightly Townie to me, I think 22 seems like a real thought. Everything else from their ISO seems pretty NAI to me.In post 95, froggodoggo wrote:Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?
I have no opinion on Klick. His position of "well you're the one being awkward!" is one that can come from Town but that also isn't difficult to fake. Nothing in his ISO is difficult to fake, and I'm kind of intrigued by Aisa calling any part of it "analysis".
Aisa, what of Klick's analysis did you like? I'm assuming the post wasn't framed as a joke since it doesn't give such a vibe.
I thought froggo sounded towny. Was their tone maybe a little unusual? Yes, but in a way that was more likely to come from town I thought. With that in mind your page 1 push on him did seem a little awkward. From the vibe you gave off I pegged you for someone that should be able to recognise enthusiastic town - pr, if not enthusiastic town, a type of post that could easily come from enthusiastic town.
UNVOTE: froggodoggo
Status update no-one asked for: my mind is handing out TRs like candy at the moment, I need to get a grip before I start TRing everyone in game-
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Would caution against reading too much into Dunn's three posts, the same questions gave me a slight scumping.In post 92, froggodoggo wrote:
I looked at it initially as possibly being paired but I guess you're right that it would be way too obvious of a partner interaction to make so early on.In post 79, furtiveglance wrote: VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever
"They seem fine" on Infinity. That ain't paired. It's T/T or imo, S/T.
And yeah this does kind of imply that if you think it is T/T or S/T then you think infinity is the T (why vote CSF if otherwise?) so I like Dunnstral for noticing that.
I will TR dunnstral. I like how dunnstral changed their question up to something that requires more explaining rather than a yes/no answer. Reads to me like genuine and natural solving.-
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Hmm. At a reread the difference between scum!furtive and here!furtive is not as large as I remembered, but I still think I might be onto something.
If you think this is pensive furtive, I present to you scum!furtive:
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Feel like this needs elaboration if it's seriousIn post 301, furtiveglance wrote:Things are becoming clearer now. CSF/GE/Malakittens, ft. BBT/Dunnstral on drums as SK (possibly)-
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It's a game of mafia, you can push me whenever you want love xIn post 335, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:VOTE: Aisa
I didn't like their recent two posts. It felt like they popped in, asked an easy question, and ignored some of the more topical stuff that was happening in the game. sorry Aisa :[
Putting about 10 minutes into this game, so this will not be my most deeply considered posting ever.
I'm not really sure. Null, the I-need-to-think-more-about-him type of null. I tend to disagree the reasons he gives for some of his reads:In post 239, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
What is your read on Lucian?In post 185, Aisa wrote:I thought froggo sounded towny. Was their tone maybe a little unusual? Yes, but in a way that was more likely to come from town I thought. With that in mind your page 1 push on him did seem a little awkward. From the vibe you gave off I pegged you for someone that should be able to recognise enthusiastic town - pr, if not enthusiastic town, a type of post that could easily come from enthusiastic town.
Spoiler: Lucian's reads
I haven't decided yet whether it's just a playstyle difference or something more, you know? But also he feels a bit like he's jumping all around without committing to anything in a way that scum could plausibly fake.
I think I kinda want my vote there atm actually.
VOTE: Lucian-
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Will get around to talking about Dunn's posts pinging me tomorrow.
What's scummy about that?In post 339, Lucian wrote:I would also support an Aisa wagon happening. I don't like the fact that she seem to have a lot of townreads but is seemingly avoiding having scumreads.
I'd also like BBT's take on that slot.
? CSF's not particularly at risk of being hammered?In post 362, furtiveglance wrote:I don't know anymore. Don't hammer before I come back, I'm going to bed.-
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I don't think there's anything wrong with qualifying reads. I mean, I can see why you find it scummy, but to me it's a way of signaling exactly the strength of my read as well as its limitations. I don't want to come in, say I HAVE 100% READ ACCURACY ON FURTIVE and cause others to update their read of furtive in a way that is unwarranted. If I reread the game I was basing my read on and it's different from what I remembered, I'm gonna point that out.In post 353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
It's also the furtive meta read, which ended up as a townread but then you immediately qualified itIn post 340, Aisa wrote:Just gonna come out and say that I see all this but I need to RL pretty hard tonight so not sure I'll have time to address this today
...which also explains why I got in made two easy posts and left
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It seems good to say clearly what my read on furtive is at this point. I'd say it is a medium-strength townread. As I've mentioned, I think that the difference in tone from my experience of their scumgame - they're more jokey here, and seem less calculated - makes them a bit more likely to be town. I also think the interaction they had with you is good. Like I read them as genuinely torn about their read on you.
However, I'm going to qualify my read a little now . Since I first mentioned this townread I've realised that enough of furtive's posts are jokes or one-liners that it could be consistent with a particular scum playstyle. To me this means there is residual uncertainty (heck, it's still day 1!) and this particular universe/possibility of scum!furtive is something I wanna keep an eye on as the game progresses.
In conclusion: I tr furtive enough that I wouldn't lim them today and I'd probably chainsaw for them if they were at serious risk of being eliminated.
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This is a slightly harder one to explain because it was just one throwaway post. You know that feeling when you're town and make a slightly weak post, you know in the back of your head it's gonna land you in trouble, but it's all you feel like contributing at the time and lo and behold we're here now...? Yeah.In post 353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:[...]
We can talk about Dunn if you'd like and what pinged you there
Anyway. Maybe I can explain why it pinged me this way: my reaction to any short post with a question is to think "hmm, even if this is a good question this does not preclude the poster being scum." I've kinda mentioned this in my post above, but recently I've been thinking a bit more with the framework of "could X still plausibly be scum here?" so that was on my mind when I was warning against reading too much into Dunn's few posts. "Gave me a bit of a scumping" was a slightly imprecise way of communicating what I was thinking at the time.-
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Part of my problem with this game is that I have at least a townlean on like 5 out of 6 of the highest posters in game so far
froggo - furtive - CSF - Gamma - Klick
and it would just be too convenient if they were all town? But I haven't really found a satisfactory way to resolve this / decided who I wanna demote. It's true that 5/6 is not a terrible raw ratio - it's completely consistent with 8-9 townies out of 11 - it just feels too convenient that town would have such a disproportionate presence in thread right now.
I should also say that I have no clue how one would find an SK so every time I say "town" it should be interpreted as "town or SK".
Also I really disagree with the CSF wagon. The fact it built so quickly made me go and look for mafia on the wagon, but it's hard to know what to do. Infinity, froggo and Klick just quickvoted after one another. Maybe I'll take back my froggo townread idk-
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Hmm. What I meant to say is that it felt a bit like you'd pick someone, make some small criticism then move on to the next player. I get what you mean that the game had been going on for 48 hours and no one needs to be committed to a wagon yet, I agree with you and that was probably poor wording choice on my part. I guess I just meant to say that it felt like your reads were a bit shallow.In post 368, Lucian wrote:And for the record, I have considered the baseline for Enchant's play. He's under it.
The game's been going no for 48 hours. What does "committing" mean at this point? Has anyone committed to anything?In post 363, Aisa wrote:I haven't decided yet whether it's just a playstyle difference or something more, you know? But also he feels a bit like he's jumping all around without committing to anything in a way that scum could plausibly fake.
But I'm thinking that may be unfair and I may need to update my read so
I'll talk about that in my next post
A bit - just finished playing in Terminator with him.In post 381, Lucian wrote:
Hmm. Aisa, do you have experience with Enchant? Do you have any knowledge of his play?In post 363, Aisa wrote:And also this - again it feels like this shows a lack of consideration for what the baseline of Enchant's play is.
I haven't really decided yet but he doesn't seem overly scummy to me this game.-
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It kinda makes sense. I don't think something has ever pinged me in a similar way so I can't exactly say I empathise, but I can respect that it pinged you?In post 445, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I guess it pinged me, because you were cautioning against forming a TR at a low-info point of the game, when I think most (all?) town reads are implicitly qualified "...but they could still be scum here" if that makes senseIn post 440, Aisa wrote:
This is a slightly harder one to explain because it was just one throwaway post. You know that feeling when you're town and make a slightly weak post, you know in the back of your head it's gonna land you in trouble, but it's all you feel like contributing at the time and lo and behold we're here now...? Yeah.In post 353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:[...]
We can talk about Dunn if you'd like and what pinged you there
Anyway. Maybe I can explain why it pinged me this way: my reaction to any short post with a question is to think "hmm, even if this is a good question this does not preclude the poster being scum." I've kinda mentioned this in my post above, but recently I've been thinking a bit more with the framework of "could X still plausibly be scum here?" so that was on my mind when I was warning against reading too much into Dunn's few posts. "Gave me a bit of a scumping" was a slightly imprecise way of communicating what I was thinking at the time.-
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I'm getting a little tired now so I can't write the quote wall I wanted to do on Lucian, so I'll just leave you all with a couple thoughts I have been entertaining:
- Lucian has elaborated a bit on his read on Enchant. I like the fact they are pushing Enchant because the day is still long, so we have time to produce content around Enchant.
- Looking at his ISO I see that he's also made a longish post about CSF, so my accusation that his reads are shallow is a bit unfair.-
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That is true. I don't have confidence in not being wrong on some high-activity player, but scum could well all be lower contribution. Do you think that's what's going on?In post 456, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I fail to see why scum wouldn’t all be lower contribution. Positing scum have to have someone higher-activity is gambler’s fallacy.In post 442, Aisa wrote:Part of my problem with this game is that I have at least a townlean on like 5 out of 6 of the highest posters in game so far
froggo - furtive - CSF - Gamma - Klick
and it would just be too convenient if they were all town? But I haven't really found a satisfactory way to resolve this / decided who I wanna demote. It's true that 5/6 is not a terrible raw ratio - it's completely consistent with 8-9 townies out of 11 - it just feels too convenient that town would have such a disproportionate presence in thread right now.
I should also say that I have no clue how one would find an SK so every time I say "town" it should be interpreted as "town or SK".
Also I really disagree with the CSF wagon. The fact it built so quickly made me go and look for mafia on the wagon, but it's hard to know what to do. Infinity, froggo and Klick just quickvoted after one another. Maybe I'll take back my froggo townread idk
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Inconsistency doesn't really bother me per se and I don't think froggo's early progression on Klick looks particularly scummy.In post 502, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Really interested in hearing other people's responses to this.-
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Hmm. Maybe you have a point. Would you mind telling me a bit more?In post 368, Lucian wrote:And for the record, I have considered the baseline for Enchant's play. He's under it.
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In post 427, furtiveglance wrote:I have awoken from my slumber. I was tossing and turning all night, fever nightmares of unexpected town flips and scum claiming PR and living forever.
Anyway, the only votes I like on this here Votecount 1.13 are on CSF andMalakittens.
Hmm?In post 567, furtiveglance wrote:I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.
For the record the only Mala post between these two posts is
Could you explain this furtive?In post 484, Malakittens wrote:I have a bunch of exams and hw due this week all scattered so I’m focusing on that sorry guys-
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Hello everyone welcome to my quote wall. Make yourselves comfortable
Would you expect Enchant to engage with the leading wagons? If you wouldn't that shows people have different playstyles and may not always feel the need to engage with the leading wagons?Spoiler: quote
Leaning into the WIFOM heavily eh?Spoiler: quote
I actually don't find the quoted post from BBT particularly towny. Like, everything else in their interaction is what I found towny. This strikes me as possibly the type of post scum might misjudge as seeming very towny?Spoiler: quote
Convenient how this read on Ench changed just as:Spoiler: quote
- The BBT wagon lost a little steam
- More pressure built on furtive
- Enchant has a lot of votes on them and we're at end of day
(Though if furtive is scum it's interesting to consider what alignment Enchant is)
This doesn't feel like a towny thing to say. Now, I haven't been the best at following people's read progression and remembering every single post people have made this game, sooo I could be wrong. But as far as I remember, furtive hasn't really substantiated their CSF read much beyond "it's a sus from deep inside me, a caveman sus". I think that town in furtive's position has plenty of things they can still do. furtive's made a lot of statements like "X is sus" but done comparatively little to actually get votes on their scumreads.Spoiler: quote
First post: "I've said everything I could possibly say. What input are you missing?"Spoiler: quote
Gamma: "You haven't backed up your SR on me"
Second post: "I don't have much evidence but don't believe I need to provide the evidence"
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See my previous postIn post 636, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Aisa, do you have further thoughts on where your vote may land?
VOTE: furtiveglance
I don't mind Enchant either, but Infinity's post about eliminating Enchant not giving much information is hitting me right in the feels-
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Aah didn't check the thread for a couple hours and I feel like pandemonium happened :')
Hmm
The issue for me is that I was gonna say I'm not really feeling any wagon except Enchant and maybe furtive. But CSF complained about my furtive scumcase, so I was going to reconsider that. Not really thinking BBT or froggo will flip scum. I've thought again about what Infinity was saying about informative/uninformative flips, and I think I've come down in the camp of "always eliminate someone that has a chance of being scum." That just feels better to me that eliminating someone who I think is probably town. Just don't really like that sinking feeling you get when you think a last-minute wagon is going to hit town.
I realise I'm kind of avoiding addressing the actually salient point here, which is whether we should eliminate Enchant even with the doctor claim. That's
because I need to think about it. Think I'll go away and do a couple real life tasks and let my ideas percolate and come back in a couple hours.
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I'm back. Having thought about it, I agree with an Enchant lim. I think Hiraki is closest to what I'm thinking:
What I'm thinking is similar. If claiming a PR caused town to back down from an elim, this would give scum a ridiculous amount of leverage. Therefore, we have to be willing to eliminate claimed PRs. Enchant's play does seem scummy, so I'm ready.In post 822, Hiraki wrote:
Not even that - it causes a massive amount of WIFOM from all angles. If you think about the scenarios here, this is probably the best scum play and the worst case scenario for town. [...]In post 798, Klick wrote:Ppl going 'Doctor, no lim' without actually considering the town utility of a scummy doctor claim with no other PRs claimed and no obvious night kill
It's close to useless at the moment if true and will probably lead to us just still having Enchant on the table as an option around D4.
I've checked and I think Infinity and Mala haven't yet been in thread. I'd prefer to give them the chance to check in, so I will hold off until then.
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I'm now fully on board with the Enchant wagon, but for the sake of answering this, slots that are kinda in my PoE are Dunn, Infinity, furtive, maybe Lucian. Mala obvs is doing a Mala low-activity (which seems fair enough, she has reasons) so also no clue what to think there.In post 797, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Who would you want to elim Aisa?-
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(furtive's response for context.)In post 847, furtiveglance wrote:
Also, Aisa, I responded to that post. What did you think?In post 845, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
You don’t have to agree with me!In post 795, Aisa wrote:But CSF complained about my furtive scumcase, so I was going to reconsider that.
I've read it carefully now. I kinda liked it. CSF's response did make me want to reconsider and I do think that maybe last night I tunneled slightly. Or was wearing my scum-tinted glasses. Or whatever we want to call it.
I'm oscillating between "ooh furtive tone town" and "ooh furtive scum trying out a new posting style". Right now I'm in more of a town!furtive mood, but given I'm oscillating so much I think I'll let my thoughts on you simmer during this night phase. We can pick this discussion up again on day 2 if you'd like. Happy to commit to posting some thoughts on you as soon as I can at the start of day 2, so you don't have to worry I'm just scum being noncommittal/waiting to see what everyone else thinks.-
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True.In post 845, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
You don’t have to agree with me!In post 795, Aisa wrote:But CSF complained about my furtive scumcase, so I was going to reconsider that.
It just is a fact that your response made me want to look at furtive again.-
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Your take is reasonable. I still believe in my take but I recognise it's kind of whimsical.In post 874, Lucian wrote:I don't see why self-consciousness would be in play with a post like that. It seems designed to seem Townie, at least in my opinion.
Short version is that it justistowny in my opinion. I read Klick's post as them kind of digging through the thread in wide-eyed wonder in search of clues about my alignment. I or you may not agree that the post Klick quoted is alignment-indicative for me, but the specific way in which they took that post and seemingly "fixated" on it or got a bit excited by it seemed genuine to me.-
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Hmm yeah kinda similar to what I was thinking (checked out a recent scum game of his at some point)In post 1004, Gamma Emerald wrote:he feels more "shadowy" as scum, I'd say. Here he feels in the light for sure.
But if it's not him who is it ughh-
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@Infinityany thoughts on furtive after the night phase?
How confident are you on this? What do you think of the other theories that have been proposed?In post 979, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Mala was killed because she was town from Enchant flip btw-
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I also kinda want this answered froggoIn post 968, Dunnstral wrote:In post 930, froggodoggo wrote:Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.
Do you have any idea of what players would be in position to make a kill like this in this game based on your reasoning?In post 937, froggodoggo wrote:
Explain? I wouldn't make this kill, I genuinely thought I'd be shit on at the start of this day and so I as mafia would probably kill whoever would look best after I flip red and try to talk my way out of the elim as best as possible.In post 933, Klick wrote:Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else
But this isn't a great argument since it only really applies if you already trust me.-
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Feel like you're both getting hung up on this intent to E-1 thing which is... very minor in the grand scheme of things.
I remember actually kinda vibing with the intent to E-1 when it was posted. As far as I remember I was on the edge of saying "let's just lim Enchant ffs not sure I like any of the other wagons" and at the time it felt like it was a nudge the gamestate needed.
I think I can kinda see what the people sussing froggo are getting at, he does defend himself very strongly in a way that feels very WIFOMy and is not very reassuring at all-
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Not sure you ever addressed this, BBT.In post 1028, Aisa wrote:
How confident are you on this? What do you think of the other theories that have been proposed?In post 979, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Mala was killed because she was town from Enchant flip btw-
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As you note, I approved of an Enchant vote when I said this:
I was conscious at the time that Mala might not materialise before the end of the day, but it still felt like a kind thing to do to wait for her, so I did.In post 854, Aisa wrote:I'm back. Having thought about it, I agree with an Enchant lim. [...]
I've checked and I think Infinity and Mala haven't yet been in thread. I'd prefer to give them the chance to check in, so I will hold off until then.
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As to why I didn't unvote furtive, I was just too lazy to.-
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furtive just feels kind of carefree. I still think the most likely explanation for all the jokes is that they’re town and post whatever comes to their mind. Especially true I think as they’ve been interacting with others a lot in real time. I think the interactions usually read like they are consistent with a town mindset. It doesn’t feel like they’re trying to make up crap.
Any posts I make in the next couple hours are from my phone so bear with me.-
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Hmm yeah this feels like an interesting thing to follow up on. I’d be interested in seeing a more detailed explanation of this read.In post 1185, Gamma Emerald wrote:
-_-In post 1095, Infinity 324 wrote:this is probably not super relevant now, because i attribute a lot of the pressure on enchant to csf, but i promised to do it so
by play i really don't feel she's very towny even after looking over terminator. like i just don't agree that she was putting that much effort into looking town this game.
I agree with what I think Gamma is saying, which is that “CSF is putting effort into looking town” is a bit of a misnomer. I think Gamma meant that CSF feels naturally effortful and interested in the game.
I think this may just be slight semantic confusion though. If we ignore the slightly odd phrasing I don’t see why this read couldn’t come from town.
Overall I’m interested in talking to Infinity a bit more. I’m nullish on them right now, like I don’t see a lot that would make me feel safe TRing them but there isn’t much I dislike there either.-
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Infinity, I just went back and looked at furtive’s ISO and I see what you mean about furtive being a possible Enchant partner.
Curious what you think about this?
(May be worth clicking on that post and reading some of the subsequent posts). This is one of the main interactions my townlean comes from at the moment.In post 815, furtiveglance wrote:
No, I'm saying if your towncase on yourself is "I could have hammered X", it only makes sense if X is town. If X is mafia, "I could have hammered mafia and didn't" isn't a towncase, it's a scumcase. See what I mean?In post 813, froggodoggo wrote:If you’re scumcasing me for a bad reaction to the Doc claim then you are also assuming Enchant is legit lol
idk it just feels like an easier post for town to make than scum.
Sorry I’m giving you so much homework I’d prefer you to prioritise talking about furtive over CSF.-
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Ik others have covered this a bit. It pains me to bring it up again, but I think I have a slightly different angle.In post 930, froggodoggo wrote:Yes there is indeed 2 maf left. Also we can get a rough estimate of how many PRs have to exist with an RB flip.
Thought I'd have a lot more heat coming in to this day and it has been in the back of my head how I will defend myself. I think one big thing is that Enchant is the type of player who I would not be willing to die trying to save because I don't see them making it very far with so little content. Socially, I think that makes sense, but because Enchant was RB things coincidentally look bad for me.
Ty for the TR CSF, I think I TR you too for your reaction to the kill. Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.
I’m not a fan of this post and I think it’s a combination of a few different things.
- it worries me that froggy felt such a need to justify themselves. I personally didn’t think they looked that bad at the end of day 1. This doesn’t seem that bad on its own, but:
- If I have to defend myself I think I’m more likely to point to things I *did* rather than things I *would* or *wouldn’t* do as mafia. The latter can never escape WIFOM to some extent. I understand that sometimes you just want to share what’s on your mind, but it doesn’t feel like the approach they’ve taken to defending themselves is actually the most constructive.
- While it’s possible that Mala was a scum kill, I don’t understand why froggy is so adamant that it was. In a post close to the one I quoted he says that “most kills are made by mafia”. Yes, but like, the chance of a SK or vig kill in this setup is non-negligible, and when you see an unconventional kill it’s natural to consider possibilities other than mafia.
- Overall I feel like they’ve shown concern with 1. defending themselves, 2. making “throwaway” comments on various quotes and snippets. What I am not seeing is convincing evidence of like, deeper thought
- Also the “let’s gooo” vote on furtive is sus. In my opinion it is day 2 and there is plenty with which to substantiate a read or a vote and I’m not a fan of the way froggy snappily reacted to furtive’s post.-
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Like even assuming I personally were 100% happy with froggo dying today, I see voting someone off this quickly as kind of risky? I feel like sometimes town losses come from town eliminating somebody on autopilot. I’m sort of philosophically anti quicklim.
You could argue I haven’t really experienced the burn of being right about who is scum but being unable to push that wagon through, maybe it’s just my overinflated ego making me believe I could push froggo through later if I wanted anyway?-
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