House of the Dragon - Game Over!

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Hello.

Gnight

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VOTE: dann

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Too bad, there's no NM in the game.

Court without Jester is bad one.

Good thing we have you.

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@mod: v/la until Tuesday

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yeah - i'm not reading 1000 posts.

Firebringer and Andante can be town. Tell me who to vote for king.

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Baltar - who should be king?

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not going to happen, sorry.

feel free to call out the important stuff, but I don't have time or the mental energy to read 30 pages rn.

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so sorry that I had a real life emergency that required a v/la

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like my sincerest apologies for that affecting you

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Ok I'm here so I am going to read 14 pages of what I assume are nonsense now.

hmmmm...hoping that I'm not about to read 30 pages of nonsense....

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okay - quick read through

Agree that mastina should not be king
Firebringer probs scum – yw warmpuppy
Datisi probably scum
Tsq/gl/luke/dann town
Junko town?
Had a townread on andante but lost it by 920
No idea what to make of rhea
I’m gonna withhold comment on mastina assigning alignment to my v/la so I don’t lose it..she’s probably town though
Charloux probs scum

VOTE: gl

this seems good.

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okay - quick read through

Agree that mastina should not be king
Firebringer probs scum – yw warmpuppy
Datisi probably scum
Tsq/gl/luke/dann town
Junko town?
Had a townread on andante but lost it by 920
No idea what to make of rhea
I’m gonna withhold comment on mastina assigning alignment to my v/la so I don’t lose it..she’s probably town though
Charloux probs scum

VOTE: gl

ok - but i do
this seems good.

I do not want a GL king.

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okay - quick read through

Agree that mastina should not be king
Firebringer probs scum – yw warmpuppy
Datisi probably scum
Tsq/gl/luke/dann town
Junko town?
Had a townread on andante but lost it by 920
No idea what to make of rhea
I’m gonna withhold comment on mastina assigning alignment to my v/la so I don’t lose it..she’s probably town though
Charloux probs scum

VOTE: gl

ok - but i do
this seems good.

I do not want a GL king.

not sure why it blanked my text...

I said - "ok - but I do"

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yes - i'm aware that both of you are scum reading each other.

why do you think should baltar be king?

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I revoke your chad status you weakling. I thought you never cave in to demands.
Going off topic, how did you read all this in ~30minutes; I'm slow as a snail in that regard.

it was a fair point and this isn't a typical d1 where I can glean info from the votecount - also, it was a quick read through. I ignored most wallposting.

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I am a little scared to make LLD king

why?

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I am a little scared to make LLD king

why?

Risk:Reward

I think that if a scum!LLD landed the king position, we would lose the game.

I think that if a town!LLD landed the king position, she would be effective -- but not massively noticeably more effective towards a town win condition then if she were to be in a council position or in the IC-esque position I described.

I won't stand in the way of king LLD, and can see myself compromising there if the other two look like they might lose to GL, but it kept her from being my first choice - which is what I was working out at the time.

Sorry - why does scum!LLD = game over but town!LLD = no different than placed elsewhere?

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idk - the tunneling reminds me of playing in LOST with him though I remember agreeing with his points much more

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And in that scenario, I think that she could effectively scum hunt, use what ever PR she gets, advise the king, ect, from that position too

sure sure - except she wouldn't be the one deciding who's on the council and in what position nor would she have protection from scum just offing her. Not much use as an advisor if dead. Like if you think LLD is town and as good a player as you are stating, she would be more effective, and quite likely for longer, as king vs on the council.

i may have just talked myself into changing my vote

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And in that scenario, I think that she could effectively scum hunt, use what ever PR she gets, advise the king, ect, from that position too

sure sure - except she wouldn't be the one deciding who's on the council and in what position nor would she have protection from scum just offing her. Not much use as an advisor if dead. Like if you think LLD is town and as good a player as you are stating, she would be more effective, and quite likely for longer, as king vs on the council.

i may have just talked myself into changing my vote

wouldn't town king lld just die night 1.
Or maybe scum thinks she would be useful for chaos and keep her around? idk i think i would just kill town king lld night 1 here.

Unless king can't be killed like with kingsguard stops it. Do i need to read what the council roles do or something.

as long as a majority of the kingsguard are "loyal" then she couldn't be killed

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VOTE: junko

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VOTE: junko

Would love an explanation of why you think junko would be a good king choice

I don't think you are and she is the competing wagon to you

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Lean Town
{VPB, Thestatusquo [Shea], Junkochan, GuiltyLion, Lady Lambdadelta, Firebringer, ProfessorDrapion}
Slight Lean Town
{Rhaenyra [Yume], Dannflor, Charloux, mastina}
Neutral
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Slight Lean Scum
{UNOwen, Enchant, Titus, Andante, Dwlee99, Datisi}
Uncertain
{Bellaphant, Lukewarm}

What's the difference between neutral and uncertain?

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Because town didn't know "master of coin" was an actual council position on 675, that means that VP Baltar thinking Firebringer's advocating could be scum wanting to be on the council, is a perspective slip.

The master of coin is the chief financial adviser of the king and is a member of the small council in King's Landing.

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ok..but...hear me out here...this theme is based on a show in which we know what the small council positions are....

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i mean - mastina is totally town here but I'm just not seeing this as a slip even though I want to

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yay - now we can begin the fun part

VOTE: dwlee

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spicy

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interesting council choices, but maybe something happened this weekend I'm not aware of yet...

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not voting [7]: Titus, Andresvmb, Lukewarm, Charloux, Lady Lambdadelta, Bellaphant, unwnd

....why?

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hmm...guess i like baltar more now.

luke - why the sudden interest in starting gl wagon now since you scumread dwlee and decided to be a non-voter forever and a day.

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hmm...guess i like baltar more now.

luke - why the sudden interest in starting gl wagon now since you scumread dwlee and decided to be a non-voter forever and a day.

Why the sudden interest in the game when you decided to be a non -poster for 10 days?

*looks at last post*

learn to tell time maybe?

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hmm...guess i like baltar more now.

luke - why the sudden interest in starting gl wagon now since you scumread dwlee and decided to be a non-voter forever and a day.

I scum read GL more, and he was the person that I wanted to vote for before the dwlee wagon even sprang up. The dwlee wagon appearing so fast kind of stopped me from doing anything, and then when it hit 9 votes it seemed pointless to ever try to get my biggest scum read eliminated.

But now that wagon dropped started shrinking, and TSQ has made several posts about not wanting that wagon, and it still feels icky that there were so many of the same people who wanted TSQ to be king, but then immediately sheeped onto a wagon that he did not support. So I thought "I can shoot my shot" lol

did you do some campaigning for the gl wagon in your pt?

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yeah - day 1 i really only care about wagons.

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i think charloux used to be the sole counterwagon to dwlee until a speedy gl wagon popped up and you hopped off to bring it to equals.

why's gl a better vote to you?

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In this game it just seems like a lot of his reads just spring out of the air and he seems completely married to them as opposed to ever going back and reevaluating. I think this post is pretty interesting:

I am reevaluating. My read on Lukewarm went scum->town. My reads on junko & Mastina went town->scum. Several of my other reads have bounced around the place. This is categorically untrue

We're at a point now where I have townreads and people i don't townread and I'd like a flip, and have been at that point for a few days. This is how I play every D1. You don't have as good of a sense for me as a player as you think you do.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Call this as opportunistic as you like but how hard do you need to backtrack and scramble in one post? Like, does the rest of the context matter and make this better? I'm curious.

Just saw I'm a leading wagon so I either can slam dunk a wolf or get a free ticket out of the game? Oh my goodness what a goated rep slot.

why gl over dwlee?

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Do you think if I click the iso button on DWlee he'll be extremely wolfy? I just saw two posts from DW in a hood I share with them and GL's backtrack on this page so I voted GL. I could iso them that's probably optimal but ehhh
pedit: That should be extremely self-explanatory

I don't think this is self explanatory. You basically said you were voting to save your ass (which is fine as town), but then voted the lesser wagon when you're saying dwlee has 50% chance of being scum. Idgi

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yeah, this

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Do you think if I click the iso button on DWlee he'll be extremely wolfy? I just saw two posts from DW in a hood I share with them and GL's backtrack on this page so I voted GL. I could iso them that's probably optimal but ehhh
pedit: That should be extremely self-explanatory

I don't think this is self explanatory. You basically said you were voting to save your ass (which is fine as town), but then voted the lesser wagon when you're saying dwlee has 50% chance of being scum. Idgi

I don't know how in the hell you got this, did I see that GL was a big wagon? Yes. Did I know it would look funny that I, a top wagon under suspicion voted him? Yes. Do I still think GL is scum? Yes. Never once did I say or act like "I'm voting this wagon to save myself" so I'm really confused how you got that from any of my posting.

yeah - but you also said dwlee was likely scum and they are (were) a larger wagon so not sure why you went to gl given 2170.

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idk what game yall are reading cause not once did I say I am voting him to save my ass I just think the dude is wolfy af maybe I need to speak in dr. Seuss rhymes and that'll make more sense

perhaps if multiple people aren't understanding you it's what you are saying that's the problem...?

idk - maybe

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Also still waiting for PP to not give me stupid Penguin sass and explain to me why DW is a wolf only I'm allowed to be snarky and sassy in the thread hello that's my entire shallow personality???

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mostly

maria popped into and was all ooohh idk what this is...but that's it.

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Meh. I would have reacted the same had you done the same to me.

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tbf that does not equate to rushed thought.

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Just didn’t want to write a wall…which I get.

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If it’s not clear already - I think you are coming out worse from this interaction.

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Just pre-empting that question.

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Dammit

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Penguin immediately jumps on them calling Mastina wolf for some reason

This never happened you liar.

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VOTE: dwlee

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Ah your right my bad, I checked back, you said you “Didn’t trust Mastina” you didn’t directly call them a wolf.

Still with the misreps...

I said I "didn't trust mastina to do basic math" because of our kingsguard argument. It was a dig and not a real comment.

VOTE: drap