HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

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Eira is reminding me of day 1 Frog

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VOTE: Eira

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VOTE: gamma

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Gimli and Mala are different

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This is all the VT/vanilla claim/checks right?

Gimli - Vanilla
Killing Joke - Vanilla
Flea The Magician - Vanilla

Gamma Emerald - VT
Passenger - VTActionDan - VT
Save The Dragons - VT
Action Dan - VT

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Gimli - Vanilla
Killing Joke - Vanilla
Flea The Magician - Vanilla

I do think there is scum in here

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Gimli - Vanilla
Killing Joke - Vanilla
Flea The Magician - Vanilla

I do think there is scum in here

there is

is it you?

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As well as that, there are too many as wells in the sentence above as well.

Best quote of the game

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VOTE: KJ

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: KJ

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Happy cake day Bella!

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This will be number 6. 6th time I get miselimmed on this site since January 2018.

That's insane! How have you only been mislimmed 5 times?!

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Eira, what's your claim?
I'm doing setup spec

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I already claimed, Your team knows my claim.

When did you claim?

And if you're crew, vote Gimli. But you're not. Whatever.

I can vote Gimli

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VOTE: Gimli
where/what did you claim?

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VOTE: Gimli
where/what did you claim?

I claimed paranoid potato

oh sorry, the question was meant to be directed at Eira in a "I've done what you've asked, not you do what I've asked" kinda way

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On the 0.00000001% chance that you're crew, read.

your iso is a mess, I'm not reading that

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Spoiler: Current Roles + Claims

Town

Save The Dragons -

VT

Passenger -

VT

HighPrincessErinys -

VT

Gamma Emerald -

VT

ActionDan -

VT

Titus -

Lookout

BlueBloodedToffee -

Vig-

Scum

Enchant -

Officer Cop

Claims

Killing Joke - Vanilla
Flea The Magician - Vanilla
Gimli - Vanilla

Elements - Vanilla Parity Cop
Bellaphant - Blackspot redirector
Malakittens - Miller

Unclaimed

Radical Rat -
Eiralox -

Spoiler: Setup Spec

16 players is 4 scum. It's the 1 in 4 rule. Plus with the delayed kill, it's just not 3.
12 town so at least 6 VTs.
5 have flipped {STD, Passenger, HPE, GE, AD} and we have 3 claims {KJ, Flea, Gimli} (not including potential claims from RR/Eira)

Rule of thumb for PRs, 2 town for 1 scum. 6 PR claims so far (+1 for however enchant died), which would imply [5,2], [4,3].
I'm gonna treat BBT as conf town given the blackspot.
BBT confirms scum have a roleblocker of some description, so that's 2 quite powerful scum PRs.

Town PRs: Lookout, 1-Shot Vig that is designed to bait roleblocks.
The fact BBT's role is literally roleblock bait makes me think the roleblocker is fake claiming.
Scum PRs: Officer Cop, Roleblocker
Other PR claims: VPC, Kill redirector, Miller
Why is there a miller in this setup? Only reason I can think of there being a Miller is to mess with VPC and Officer result. But given the site meta is to claim Miller immediately I'm dubious. As a fake claim, it wards off investigative roles I guess? But if there aren't any of a cop-like nature it very much doesn't fit the set-up.
Kill redirector is the easiest claim to make as scum. You literally just say you redirected to who you chose to kill. As a town role it would be positive utility.
VPC, I don't scumcase myself because I think it's dumb.
Whatever caused Enchant to die.

Balancing

12/4 + scum
Delayed scum kill ++ town
Scum officer cop + scum
Scum roleblocker +++ scum
Town Lookout +++ town
1-shot vig with roleblock thing ++ town

I think scum probably have another PR given the above so [4/3] and only the 1 Goon.

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How do you think Enchant died?

Some unclaimed role belonging to Eira/RR that I think is probably a town role given Enchant died to it

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VOTE: mala

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Gimli, vote mala with me?

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This game has become:
KJ: IM SO TOWN LOOK AT ME
Gimli: I'm town, KJ is scum
Eira: I'm right but idc about anything. Also, I'm right and don't care any more

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Gimli, vote mala with me?

She’s town. She’s playing here exactly like she did in Pokemon Large Theme. Mala has been my strongest tr straight out of the gate.

In what world does miller make sense in this set-up?

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^

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Two people have voted Mala this game
Flea in RVS, and HPE

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VOTE: KJ

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KJs town read on Mala is unnerving.

ISO her Pokemon Large Theme and tell me if you still think that.

Send me the thread

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hmm, I think I see what you mean
I'm still dubious though
UNVOTE:

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mala's second post that game 'I'm town but I've been busy'

argh

was posting as part of a hydra before that

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I say posting in the lightest possible terms given the number of them

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re: does it make sense for it to be a miller in this setup? I think yes because it messes with both the town and the scum cops

I guess but like, is it not mod-wifom at that point
Ugh
I should not have started trying to set-up spec.
Last time I did it ended terribly for me (ask frog and BBT) and I said to myself I wouldn't do it again

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VOTE: flea

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VOTE: flea

if it's flea it's not KJ, otherwise it's too much potato vanillas

and that means probably flea/RR/bella? yeah. those.

I can see Bella being a fake claim, RR ima need to re-read

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Gimli, RR is responsible for enchant's death right?
How does that fit with them both on a scum team together?

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bella is scum

So I too am beginning to think

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I'm E-1

you're gonna kill another VT I promise you

I thought I unvoted you?

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VOTE: Bella

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Vanilla-miller 1-shot delayed vig would hide the delayed vig from scum pr
That's what you're saying right RR

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VOTE: Gimli
Now you do

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VOTE: Bella

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I didn't even bother to check when you said you were at E-1, lol.

Regardless, point stands. You're the lim, unless Mala's role somehow exonerates you.

How could Mala exonerate anyone?

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Once again, Gimli hasn't been hammered yet?

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Gimli got to e-2

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UNVOTE:
I'm going to sleep

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VOTE: mala

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Because it was a miller claim I didn't trust
Also partly for Gamma

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It felt like you did believe it before?

when?

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Mala!scum -> KJ!scum

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can you all please spoiler or crop your ludicrously long quote chains

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Looks like all I'm doing on this ship is repeating myself.

Doesn't seem to have stopped you at any point this game so far

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VOTE: Eira
Literally the only thing you've done in the last two game days is "Elements and Gimli are scum. You are all terrible at the game for not realising this. I'm going to case them and then you'll see!"
You've then not cased anyone and just kept saying the same things over and over again, and somehow people are townreading you for it.
I'm not thinking it is 5/4 and Eira is scum with Mala pushing for my mis-lim to win the game. Eira/Mala/Bella/KJ??

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Elements — you said gamma was scum reading me, which is true, but if you look here that gamma is actually overall townreading me.

I was voting you because I think you're scum
I checked you at night for gamma

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What changed?

The almost complete acceptance of the miller claim, that she's done basically nothing all game and no one has even looked in her direction until now, and everything RR has talked about.

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Also, Elements claimed when d2 right? Why weren’t they blackspotted n2? Why wouldn’t scum have wanted to have wanted to silence town!Elements?

~H

Because my role really isn't that strong

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VOTE: mala

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Because there are sensible people not voting him

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Because there are sensible people not voting him

Talk about why he is town?

Eira is scum and they're not aligned

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Read progressions are organic.
Eg the read on me flipped after my mech spec post. That clearly comes from my previous completed game with Gimli where I did a lot of mech solving.
He's been trying to work out the scum team, postulating combinations and changing them to work with game developments eg the mala discussion. He's not limiting himself to specific reads and ignoring everything else but considering multiple possibilities including ones where his readd are wrong. Actually trying to solve the game.

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VOTE: Eira

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Gimli isn't posting anymore because he's run out of posts for the day

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I think Rat is town
I think Mala is scum
I think Bella and Flea can be scum

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All you've done is exist in circles

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Thank you for proving my point

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I think I'm coming back round to KJ being town again

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Thank you for proving my point

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I think I'm coming back round to KJ being town again

No, I don't think I am

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RR, I don't think the Mala wagon is going to happen today.

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I'll have to look over it again which I don't want to atm

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I'm not planning on voting you today and I'll look at some point for tomorrow

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3546?

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I was roleblocked

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I still very much think Eira is scum

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Elly, yoy also seem to be happy with me being scum. Can you explain yesterday from that pov?

I looked back over this and I agree that as scum, you doesn't make much sense there.

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I do think all the scum are in [Eira, Flea, Mala, KJ]

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KJ?

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Eira are Mala are scum to me, so Flea or KJ. If it's KJ then all 3 of them have been very aligned in reads an I'd expect some deviance in a scum team

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That's not a very strong argument and I guess it can be used for me and you

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Ngl, didn't read much of Flea's posts yesterday

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Do you think that Flea and Eiralox arguing yesterday was just theater then?

I can't really see them as aligned after that, personally. It looked like their frustration with each other was real, and that's a difficult thing to fake if you already know the other person is on your side.

Similar question for you, why do you think me and Eira are aligned?

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So reading back through Flea yesterday, I can see most of Flea/Eira interaction as possibly being theatre. Although they would both have to have planned it out very well for that to be the case.
Except this post

You know something Eiralox, I just wrote out a big ass post in anger at you.

Instead I'm going to boil it down to this.

I am an emotional being. More so than what is apparently normal.
The state of your headspace is for you and you alone. Do not blame others for that.
I get I can be firey at times. This constant calling out of me as some salty angry person is getting beyond a joke.
I have the aggression of a rabbit, sometimes admittedly the Rabbit of Caerbannog but ya know.

There was a potential fox news joke as well. Because giggles.

I can't see this coming from scum!Flea to scum!Eira.

So mabey I was thinking too much into it and it is just Eira, Mala, KJ.
Either way I want Eira or Mala today

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How is that not just a scum claim?

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Given the last game I played with Frog!scum, I think it's fully believable

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Bella, how can you think Eira isn't scum?

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I just don't see why scum eira would be doing this? I don't know, I know I can be pocketed by them, it happened in our last game.

Do you not think town after having multiple of their reads be proven wrong at least consider an alternative. Eira is just doubling down and repeating yesterday. I'm seeing it as scum who have backed themselves into a corner and have to keep pushing the same narrative or will be exposed by any insubstantial attempt to be town.

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usually scum in melo try to keep options open

so i think double down might be in a favor point favor for eira

First scum game I played I won in final three because of this exact reasoning

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As scum, doubling down.

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You can't fish for a hammer as scum

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@KJ
I'll do your weird survey when I get home. I doubt it'll help you in any way.
Also the Bible? Not cool

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This isn't game helping. I wiah I could be more confident reading eira or Elly at this point.

What are your worries about Eira?

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Can? Yes.

I won't though.

I've already told Nancy Drew I'll talk once Elements is gone. That doesn't change.

As I told Radical Rat: Do it then.

I have given my guarantee.

I no longer waste my breath.

This is the most anti-town behaviour I have ever seen. Eira is putting down an ultimatum: Vote Elements or I will not play this game.
Someone please tell me how this can possibly be a town slot?

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Bella, can you tell my why town!Eira plays like this?

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This is gonna give me a headache.

There's no way I trust this.

So now you're scumreading Mala?

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Person A: Says thing
Person B: I don't trust that at all

I don't think it's a stretch that person B scumreads person A

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This is gonna give me a headache.

There's no way I trust this.

So now you're scumreading Mala?

look at the lil scum posting

(:

So Eira and Mala

are

scum together
Good to know

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Nancy can you show me anything Eira has done in the last two days that is remotely town indicative?

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My first thought was could be pirate admiral, but as stated, not trusting this.

Regarding all the other things you said, my vote doesn't change.

Elements, then Nancy.

Both are scum.

Mala could be the third.

Eira distancing from everyone

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Nancy

Elly can you show me anything Elly

Eira

has done in the last two days that is remotely town indicative?

Actively pushing a read beyond "they are scum"
My reads have actually changed throughout the last two days and I'm actually thinking about people's alignment.
Not just repeating myself.
So far not a single player has shown me anything town Eira has done, despite for some of them, not scumming them.
And now Eira is starting to put scum reads out on people he was previously saying were "conf town"

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In answer to your question RR
VOTE: Eira
This should've been the lim yesterday
If it wasn't almost certainly elo would anyone have any reservations about yeeting this slot?

@ Nancy, I was roleblocked hence no resultt

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@Elements why do you think scum rb didn’t target you before now? It’s kind of suss that RR gets bs and you only get rb’d now?

We had a vig kill night 1 so I imagine scum tried to find that night 2 over me, maybe enchant checked BBT night 1 so they knew he was a PR and that's why they rb'd him night 2. Night 3 BBT had claimed vig so obvious choice there. Night 4 I was roleblocked, I imagine for WIFOM as much as anything else. As for not being spotted, I'm very much a lim option here to an extent I don't think RR would ever have reached. Eira has been positioning to 1v1 me since yesterday and that would all fall flat on its face if I was spotted.

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RR unvote me or we will lose!

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How has Eira persuaded you after getting Gimli limmed yesterday?

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Are you actually taking into account how Eira has played this game? The way him and Mala were all but taunting me despite scumming me? The activity anti town and detrimental gameplay of blind repeating and saying he'd case without ever doing it?

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Comf town -> scum on Mala because of a ROLE NAME
Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
Meanwhile Bella claims a role name you literally gave her on a platter when I claimed and that gets no suspicion at all.
Eira, Bella (RB), Mala
You just have to look at their positioning today

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Elements, these last few pages, has that been a case?

Or just Eira repeating themselves?

Well..... as I said, I need to tune this out. My mind is way too over-invested here and right now Imma just fade.

No, but you've had 2 weeks to come up with it

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And suddenly everyone is just like 'yea sure Eira must be right, it's not like Eira has been stalling making a case for 2 weeks this must have been what Eira was thinking since the start'

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Meanwhile Bella claims a role name you literally gave her on a platter when I claimed and that gets no suspicion at all.

I'm actually still very suspicious of this, exactly for the reasons you stated! But, I trust Bellaphant, and that is enough.

I mean I even soft hinted that I am the BOSUN, so.... me trusting Bella has far more to do with their behavior, with my solve, than their role name. I decided to trust it cos I trust them I guess? If I were scum and Bella crew I'da cc'd that ultra-hard, maybe.

Bilous odours simmering under noses...

Well, that's all from me.

So you had a fake PR claim lined up with softing it?

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You're counterclaiming Bella? Now?

No, Eira is saying he had that claim lined up and softed it
Then passed it to Bella when she needed it

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Bella's role and claim are the definition of convenient

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Bella's claim was just a scum play
Doing things scum wouldn't do is what scum tries to do no?

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Bella's role and claim are the definition of convenient

How? Had she not said anything at all, what would have been different?

All I know is that if you vote me, we lose.
I think one of Eira/Bella is the roleblocker.
My reasons for Eira being RBer are because I was roleblocked last night and Eira wanted to stop me checking them against someone.
Bella being roleblocker is if Eira is vanilla them mechanically that's the only things that makes sense to me.
Being roleblocked last night was very detrimental to me.

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???

I'm obv town Elly. This is just confirming you are scum

I've been burnt before because of claims, and so have you, so forgive me for being paranoid

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You still haven't explained why I claimed the way I did if I'm town, Elly. Or... anything. You won't engage with me Ans now I'm scum?

Mechanically to me, you or Eira have to be roleblocker. So I will consider both scenarios

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Bella's claim was just a scum play
Doing things scum wouldn't do is what scum tries to do no?

Sure, but scum still have goals. The things they do have reasons. What was Bella's? She wasn't in any serious danger. She didn't significantly affect the course of the day. At best, she bought some towncred, but that's because everything surrounding the claim makes sense for Town to do.

If we start reading Townie things as scummy because scum wants to look Townie, then we open up a whole mess and solving becomes impossible. Sometimes Townie things ARE done by scum, but the difference is in motivation. And I can't find any scum motivation in Bella's actions.

You're right.
It makes more sense for Eira to be the roleblocker and that's why I was blocked last night.

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Eira, Flea, Mala

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Ok, but I'm asking you something specific, that you dodged yesterday as well. Where's the town motivation for not working it through?

Where's the town motivation for anything Eira has done yesterday or today except the last few pages?

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Just vote me Bella and lose the game

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Well what else am I supposed to do?
I've got until flea and mala come online

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Ok, but I'm asking you something specific, that you dodged yesterday as well. Where's the town motivation for not working it through?

Idk, what your motivation was. I haven't read through it. I agree it's more towny than scum and you're probably town but I have mechanically two options so I'm considering both. There's a reason I'm voting Eira and not you

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Yes, that is my solve

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You're counterclaiming Bella? Now?

No, Eira is saying he had that claim lined up and softed it
Then passed it to Bella when she needed it

But a second ago it was me And eira?

My brain jumps around and I was frustrated and people somehow townreading Eira

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@rat, this doesn't make sense right?

Just cut to the chase and vote me bella

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And when have my reads ever been consistent

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The fact Bella hasn't vote me yet means Bella is town

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Last game day and for most of today game day Eira has just repeated himself and refused to interact with the game. He refused to reconsider his reads based off one of his "100% certain" reads being wrong yet flips a read on a player because of their role name. The fact I was roleblocked last night makes me think Eira is the roleblocker who didn't want me to out that he was a PR. The fact Eira was also softing a PR role name earlier in the game makes me think he came up with that because my role was outed so he needed one in case i checked him. the Mala interactions from "conf town" to "scum" is just distancing and despite that him and Mala were still both effectively taunting me earlier today. I think he's also flipped his read on Flea today too

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Nancy, Eira isn't going to respond to you.

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VOTE: Elements

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now I've self hammered as both alignments so that's fun

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now I've self hammered as both alignments so that's fun

Are you rb?

no

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Thanks for modding!
I'm surprised how long my claim kept me alive