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Post #33 (isolation #6) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:02 am
Postby Aristeia »
I'm not going to flirt with Dats or express jealousy in a game that he's moderating in because forum rules prohibit him from responding to me due to Moderator Interference rules.
I would actually feel somewhat bad about not being responded to because I am not rational.
I do like reading his flavor and vote counts.
I guess I can sort of see why you would think me not flirting with him is scum indicative in some weird kind of way.
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Post #70 (isolation #14) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:26 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 67, NorwegianboyEE wrote:There was one post i felt was townie from Aristeia so far, but i know their scum game is pretty decent from our last game together.
In post 137, Aristeia wrote:I have a secret scumread that I am just going to sit on for now.
Why would you sit on that read? I am assuming it’s not who you’re voting on, else it wouldn’t be secret. Do you believe this player and Jack to be aligned?
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Post #146 (isolation #24) » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:18 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 144, Instructor Rean wrote:I am not a fan of secret reads and it lets people hide and say whatever they want later. I’d rather you not let it marinate too long so I can get a read on you.
In post 144, Instructor Rean wrote:I am not a fan of secret reads and it lets people hide and say whatever they want later. I’d rather you not let it marinate too long so I can get a read on you.
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Post #179 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:13 am
Postby Aristeia »
no they mean they are going to chill and take it "easy" compared to their normal 5000 mile per hour play as town and they are asking us not to scumread them for it. [Koba has a tendency to blaze past the speed limit like gasoline is free when they roll town]
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Post #180 (isolation #27) » Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:14 am
Postby Aristeia »
Do agree on Rean being scum if a certain person is Rean but don't think that person is Rean.[Though I might be thinking of a different person than you and I don't feel like alt-guessing or outting the slot]
in both games you are much more involved in game flow, solvy, display excessive confidence in your own reads etc and here you're just kind of not that.
I didn't like that and I voted you - you're now at E-1. I didn't aggressively push for you to be voted out before you played because;
(a) you might just have real life circumstances and it'd be a shame to mislim off that.
and
(b) it'd be interesting to see what content you produce in case we do elim you and you flip mafia.
I don't really like your catchup wall not just because you're voting for me but your takes feel somewhat vapid - like you're just making very surface level observations and not really saying much about people's alignments etc - it feels somewhat close to resigned scum anti-spew.
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Post #418 (isolation #40) » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:19 pm
Postby Aristeia »
It's weird to me why you feel so "confused" as you put it because imo Panic Room had a much stronger PL and harder to read players than this one and you were extremely confident in your reads in that game so it just feels kind of off to me that here you are acting like you are confused and don't really know what to do.
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Post #419 (isolation #41) » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:21 pm
Postby Aristeia »
when you say you are scumreading me for lack of aggression - can you be more specific about what type of aggression you think is missing from the thread from me?
for example what exactly do you think Town!me would've done so far this game that in your opinion scum!me hasn't done?
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Post #420 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:24 pm
Postby Aristeia »
In post 416, Yeet wrote:Why are Aristeia and Norwee town? Me not townreading them rn seems to be an unpopular take
I don't quite understand this take from you since me/norwe are literally the only people with votes on them other than you so it feels more like a take stated because you can maybe get somewhere with voting us rather than an actual statement that you suspect us for ??? reasons.
the more I think about it the more this vote from yeet feels so bad that maybe he doesn't even do it as mafia
Actually I mean you say that but you also say this here. It feels a little inconsistent - did you unvote me because of this reason right here or are you unvoting me because you don’t think I’m townie but I’m making effort? I doubt I’m “catching you for being inconsistent” here as scum but like idk I still want a more clear explanation on your process
I unvoted you because I thought your vote feels like a bad move for you to make as mafia in the position you are in.
I don't actually know how you play scum so it's not something to townread you for - I'd rather talk out why you think I am scum.
In post 419, Aristeia wrote:when you say you are scumreading me for lack of aggression - can you be more specific about what type of aggression you think is missing from the thread from me?
for example what exactly do you think Town!me would've done so far this game that in your opinion scum!me hasn't done?
Uh again my answer is gonna be pretty general here, I don't really have anything specific for you at this moment. I play very much in-the moment. But I expect you to be pushing people and lines of questioning and getting intense which I don't see much of. Perhaps it is simply too early, but I definitely don't see why people are townreading you, at the very least.
In isolation I don't really "scumread you" persay. You have a solid town and scumgame which makes reading you in general difficult. I'm very much a PoE player and no one this game exactly sticks out as scum.
Well I am pushing you because of the play divergence from the previous two times I've played with you.
I don't really understand how you expect me to be "aggressive" in questioning you when you're not really here or taking very many stances.
I think people are townreading me because I'm town : )
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Post #466 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:49 am
Postby Aristeia »
Like every time you've actually dropped game relevant stuff in thread I've been fairly quick to follow up with you on things I don't like about it.
I'm not really sure what you expected me to do prior to you SRing me when you were basically ghosting the thread ? - I can't really questions someone who is not here.
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Post #467 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:50 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 462, Yeet wrote:In isolation I don't really "scumread you" persay. You have a solid town and scumgame which makes reading you in general difficult. I'm very much a PoE player and no one this game exactly sticks out as scum.
This isn't how PoE works though.
You can scumread me if you townread everyone else by PoE.
If you don't have solid reads anywhere else how are you PoEing me?
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Post #469 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:52 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 465, Yeet wrote:What is not organic about it? Can you explain what you think a catchup wall needs to be more organic to your standards?
And I apologize for no spacing, I do realize it makes it a bit difficult to read.
It feels like something you are obligated to do and performative in that regard.
Like you decided hey I'm going to sit down and write thoughts on each slot and you pressed ISO one by one and wrote down whatever you thought of the ISO.
It implies you haven't been forming reads in real time but kind of just slacking and catching up at the end.
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Post #472 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:54 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 468, Yeet wrote:Well just aggressive in general, not just towards me at the time necessarily. As town you can't only care about me at that point when I wasn't in the game, you should be sorting others as well.
And did you even reading my response about my meta? You are just saying the same thing as before so what are your thoughts on that?
I don't see why I would change aggression towards someone else if you are a decent lead for me and haven't towntold/done townie things.
I didn't find it convincing because
(1) I'm comparing early game to early game.
(2) your period of inactivity in that large normal had more to do with the game state being dominated by a few exceptionally loud players and a game thread moving very quickly - neither of which is happening currently.
In post 465, Yeet wrote:What is not organic about it? Can you explain what you think a catchup wall needs to be more organic to your standards?
And I apologize for no spacing, I do realize it makes it a bit difficult to read.
It feels like something you are obligated to do and performative in that regard.
Like you decided hey I'm going to sit down and write thoughts on each slot and you pressed ISO one by one and wrote down whatever you thought of the ISO.
It implies you haven't been forming reads in real time but kind of just slacking and catching up at the end.
I told you how I formed the readslist
And yes you are correct except I didn't ISO everyone individually, I just reskimmed the whole game. I mentioned that I didn't have time the past few days and that's why I was more or less out. I am here now.
What is scummy about any of this?
It feels like you were not very interested in sorting/solving as the thread was actually happening and you needed to re-read everything because you were going to be killed otherwise.
That's scummy because some people do not like playing scum and have to be made to fake a town mindset.
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Post #477 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:00 am
Postby Aristeia »
to put it more simply:
I'm scumreading the gap in your enthusiasm between the games we played together[where you were town] and this game.
Faking a townmindset/solving as scum is not
fun
for a lot of people so they tend to not do it.
When I played previously with you - both times you were very enthusiastic in solving during the early game and I felt quite good about slotting you as town.
Here you just feel like you didn't really show up to play and then when put to e-1 you did a "Catchup" that felt more like someone who had to produce some homework they procrastinated on for too long than someone actually trying to communicate their mindset.
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Post #478 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:01 am
Postby Aristeia »
ok I guess I will take it at face value that the reason for your absence was rl related and not alignment related and I hope you will make up the difference now that you have time to play.